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Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:02 am

Young airline with 5 A 340's

What are the regular routes and how do you split that among 5 planes?

How do they stay ahead?

Will their fleet soon grow?

Is selling F and J seats as awards to other airlines part of their business structure? how?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:10 am

The only route I know of is PPT-LAX, and I think it continues to CDG (not sure). Basically, if you fly very lucrative routes with a simple fleet and good cost base, it's easy to make money.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:24 am

Ia Orana all !

Air Tahiti Nui started its route network by opening PPT-LAX with a single Airbus A340-200 F-OITN. Then they started to Fly to Tokyo Narita, Osaka, Auckland, Paris and in July 2005 they started to fly to New York JFK and Sydney.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:43 am

Here's the link of our weekly schedule.
Pretty busy considering , we only have 5 planes

http://www.flyatn.com/flightsched/fl...o_city=&flight_date=10%2F12%2F2005
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:08 pm

I thought they were losing money?

Love their aircraft though! They started AKL with a weekly A342 in 2000 now up to 3 weekly A343's, they seem to have good loads!
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:14 am

Thats what I heard as well. Not everything is rosy as it seems
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:44 am

I think it's safe to say virtually all of Air Tahiti Nui's traffic is O&D...

Keeping the planes utilized as much as possible is a good thing. However, all airlines find that from time to time certain routes are not performing as expected.

I am in no way a business person - but I do know that a small airline such as Air Tahiti Nui should be able to fairly quickly make adjustments and find their profitable niche. I wish them luck!!
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting FOLOV (Reply 3):
Here's the link of our weekly schedule.
Pretty busy considering , we only have 5 planes

http://www.flyatn.com/flightsched/fl...F2005

What a horrible way of presenting your timetable. Can I see 3 or 4 different entries for PPT-LAX? It's a mess and should be made much simpler.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:32 am

Ait Tahiti now operate to SYD. It always nice to see them in AKL with those very colourful aircraft
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:03 am

I cant wait to use them.

Perhaps FOLOV can pass word on to the right folks as to how to re-configure that schedule presentation.

With their pretty regular use of the aircraft, how do they figure in things such as regular scheduled maintenence?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:16 am

This is very good for French Polynesia to have such a growing traffic!

However, I'm not sure TN works with the same "logics" as most other airlines. To me, TN is more an effective tool used by the Polynesian government to develop tourism in the islands. When you look at TN fares, you may realise that their first objective might not be profitability... making thus probably competition versus TN quite difficult !
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:29 am

TN is an excellent airline from a service standpoint as I have been on a few of their flights however I believe they are not currently not making money and I remember reading an article in Tahiti that they will not be expected to make some until 2007. They were started and run with State money.
TN was set up to offer a reliable frequent service to Fr. Polynesia without relying on foreign carriers. TN does a good business with the cruise lines carrying all their passengers to PPT.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:16 am

TN did post a small profit in 2003 I think. They have a press release of it somewhere on their website. However the JFK and SYD routes will drag this down...but after these routes stabalize they should post profit again.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:56 am

LOL that s what i was thinking too. So confusing .
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:01 am

Nearly all of their routes are VERY long haul, commanding high fares that produce high yields.

http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/services/routemap.asp
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:04 am

Their schedule and routing is tough to figure on the website.

What days are there flights from SYD-PPT and PPT-JFK? Is TN 4 the only one? What days and times to they run?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:48 am

i wonder if there paint scheme would look good on a 777? or 747?...hay i can dream can't i...
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:29 pm

Quoting AirNZ777 (Reply 16):
i wonder if there paint scheme would look good on a 777? or 747?...hay i can dream can't i...

I wonder also. I know the guy who did their colour scheme. I'll ask him for the raw files and make a 777 mockup I think.

Back on topic,

Air Tahiti Nui have a great niche to work with, and that's why they get away with operating such a small fleet.
But they could do with getting a more fuel efficient jets to help maximise their profits in the long term. Their a343s will slowly start eating into their profits as time goes by now.

I suggested the 777 as it's economics are well known, but I'm not sure if ETOPS would get in the way, being unfamiliar with their routes.
So perhaps the A345 could be beneficial. Use that in the same config as the A343's. You won't get the max range out of it, but theoretically the fuel consumption should be less for the same distance travelled. And besides, Airbus would literally throw the A345 at them. LOL
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 4):
I thought they were losing money?



Quoting Zizou (Reply 5):
Thats what I heard as well. Not everything is rosy as it seems

They posted marginal net profit in '03,'04 (between 1 an 3M$) and marginal net losses in '01, '02 (around 0,5M$ loss).

Total revenues in '04 (232M$, so net margin is averaging 0,8%).

Load factors are nothing outstanding, 68,8% in 2004, up from 66,8 in '03 (probably high yield).

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