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Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:09 am

The following link is a news from Emirates website that they were going to launch nonstop flights from DXB to SFO in Summer 2004, but it never happened... Why? http://www.emirates.com/usa/aboutemi...news/newsarchive2003/news_9393.asp

[Edited 2005-10-14 02:11:42]
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 am

One reason to treat even press releases from the source themselves with some skepticisim. Personally I have the mindset "I'll believe it when I see it sitting at the gate".

As seen on this forum, EK has big plans for the US but they seem to be slow to getting off the mark. Basically I believe it is a lack of equipment

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:23 am

EK has secured rights to fly 5th freedom pax on the CDG-SFO and CDG-LAX routes...it was one of the hidden agenda demands of EK made to the French Govt in exchange for them getting a large A 345-346-380 order. Also they gave in to EKs demand of increasing CDG flights to double daily with an option to increase further.

I shall not be at all surprised to see EK using the A 380 to fly DXB-CDG-LAX and DXB-CDG-SFO.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:24 am

Funny, it seems like they've had no problem opening up new routes and/or expanding all over the globe in the past few years. I guess they've expanded just enough to where they don't have a whole lot of aircraft to open up many new routes in the US.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:33 am

Emirates has been widely rumored to be doing a few things with both Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Los Angeles

*Operation of a daily A340-500 with continuing service to either Mexico City or San Francisco.

or

*Operation of a daily 777-300 from Dubai via Paris or Milan.

or

*Operation of a daily A340-500 from Dubai via Houston.


San Francisco

*Operation of a daily A340-500 with continuing service to either Los Angeles or Vancouver.

or

*Operation of a daily 777-300 from Dubai via Paris or Milan.

or

*Operation of a daily A340-500 from Dubai via Chicago.

Emirates has long sought to expand its presence in both the French and Italian markets. The idea of offering SFO-CDG would fill the void that United Airlines is going to leave when the pull the flight in a few months. The idea of offering SFO-MXP, LAX-MXP is brilliant as it would fill the void left by Alitalia in both markets, as well as feed off of the heavy Italy-California markets.

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:05 am

I am sure if they launch the SFO-DXB route, it will be highly profitable for EK.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:27 am

Kahala777, none of those rumors were ever heard especially the route structures that you have pointed out for MEX, YVR, LAX and trans-atlantic via MXP. Yes there were articles on ppl saying that EK would be flying to LAX/MEX/SFO etc but it never mentioned the aircraft they would use nor the route structure.

There is a reason why EK has a limited presence in Italy with only 7 weekly flights to both MXP and FCO combined because of the bilateral restrictions which AZ strongly supports and lobbies the Italian Govt not to amend as that would favor EK mainly.

And as for flying a B 777-300ER via CDG to SFO/LAX, that will only happen if EK make their B 777 F-J-Y class product as good as its A 345s inflight product. EKs F & J class on its A 345s to JFK is ranked#28 out of 50 in Hollywood's "most fashionable things" so anything substandard to that offering in the heart of Hollywood i.e. LAX-Los Angeles will hurt EKs reputation a lot.

And as for ORD...it will be nonstop from DXB with the A 345s and nothing else!!! Only YVR, LAX and SFO would be ONE STOP flights via the EU or UK and not via another American / Canadian city.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 4):
Los Angeles

*Operation of a daily A340-500 with continuing service to either Mexico City or San Francisco.

I doubt this will ever happen. EK will never get fifth freedom rights between MEX and any U.S. city.
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:49 am

 yes  EK could take over Alitalia  yes 
That would have advantages for both sides. They could make a contract where EK is obliged to keep a substantial number of employees, although not all of them. Italy would have solved all their legal problems with the EU and had no need to spend more money to AZ. EK in exchange could get the right to integrate AZ into the mainline after a few years, pull out of uneconomical routes in Europe and concentrate on longhaul while keeping full traffic rights. After all, Italy had a strong investor in it's aviation industry while EK had a new base and tons of traffic rights  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:04 am

I know EK has some problems with UA about flying to SFO, I don’t know what kind of problems they have but I guess it is about the daily flight to SFO that EK is requesting.

Also I know that EK plans to fly DXB-SFO over the pacific and not via CDG. However, if EK got the 5th freedom right through PAR I don’t see why not using this route.

But for sure the delay in flying to SFO is because of UA.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:09 am

A bit OT: Didn't EK get it managed somehow to get 5th freedom rights between Australia or New Zealand and the US?

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting Detroiter (Reply 9):
But for sure the delay in flying to SFO is because of UA.

I would not think this is the main reason. UA, at this time, does not have the clout with government regulators and would not compete at all with EK.

QF is starting service into SFO this coming March and they would compete with UA on their very popular SFO-SYD route. If UA had any concern with new routes, it would be with QF.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
I shall not be at all surprised to see EK using the A 380 to fly DXB-CDG-LAX and DXB-CDG-SFO.

I can see EK flying these routes, but not with the WhaleJet. UA couldn't make the B777 work on these routes.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
I shall not be at all surprised to see EK using the A 380 to fly DXB-CDG-LAX and DXB-CDG-SFO.

I can see EK flying these routes, but not with the WhaleJet. UA couldn't make the B777 work on these routes.

But did UA have 5th freedom rights between CDG and DXB? The trick for EK, under the condition they actually get 5th freedom rights, will be that most pax won't continue in CDG.

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:55 am

^Why not send the 380 nonstop to SFO? It has to range to do it.(so does the 773ER and the future 346HGW...besides the 345)

As for EK operating the 777's on trully long haul nonstop flights, doesn't seem it's going to happen anytime soon... Don't ask me why they don't want to do it... but if they want to, first thing to do is to change the cabin configuration!
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Amax1977 (Thread starter):
he following link is a news from Emirates website that they were going to launch nonstop flights from DXB to SFO in Summer 2004, but it never happened... Why?

Right from the horse's mouth (my EK Sales rep): Fuel went over $50 per barrel. That's why. After a year of operating the A345 on the JFK route, EK knows the exact economics of this aircraft. Given the cost of operations and prevailing airfares from SFO, fuel would have to be under $50 per barrel for the flight to be profitable. At least that's what I've been told.
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:06 am

So the million dollar question... Is the nonstop DXB-SFO flight going to happen? If not EK, any other airline to offer the route? Like UA?

[Edited 2005-10-15 20:36:21]

[Edited 2005-10-15 20:37:12]
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
And as for ORD...it will be nonstop from DXB with the A 345s and nothing else!!! Only YVR, LAX and SFO would be ONE STOP flights via the EU or UK and not via another American / Canadian city.

Well what Kahala said was that it would be SFO-ORD-DXB, so actually ORD would be non-stop. It would be great, though, to have the option to go ORD-SFO on an Emirates A345, since ORD is my home airport, and because they are partners with UA, I could still accure miles with them! What a great opportunity if it were to arise.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 17):
It would be great, though, to have the option to go ORD-SFO on an Emirates A345, since ORD is my home airport, and because they are partners with UA, I could still accure miles with them!

It would be cool to try EK on a domestic flight within the US, however they would not be able to pick up local traffic between ORD and SFO.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 17):
Well what Kahala said was that it would be SFO-ORD-DXB

that route structure is a recipe for disaster...GF tried BAH-JFK-IAH and failed miserably as did MS with CAI-JFK-LAX.

I would not bet on EK flying to SFO via ORD as the pax would have to deplane in ORD, clear immigration and all that jazz before reboarding and everyone including EK knows what a irritating procedure that can be.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:52 am

DETROITER: United has nothing to due w/ EK at SFO. United has less and less weight on what happens at SFO anymore. PA110 has been told by EK people the same thing I was told by a director here at SFO. It came down to cost. The fuel prices hit right after EK seemed to get the rights to fly the route, and all issue's resolved. Seems SFO has just had many cards stacked agains it. Time will tell.

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 4):
Emirates has been widely rumored to be doing a few things with both Los Angeles and San Francisco.

These are nothing other than sheer wishful thinking by whomever propogated these rumors. EK has been very upfront with its plans. SFO was only ever envisioned a nonstop route, nothing else. They shelved SFO only when fuel prices rendered the economics unviable. Stopping domestically is sheer folly (a la Gulf Air) and while stopping in Europe might have been attractive to some in the local SFO-Europe market, it was never part of EK's stated plans.
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:10 am

Any other airline except Emirates to launch DXB-SFO nonstop flight???
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting Detroiter (Reply 9):
Also I know that EK plans to fly DXB-SFO over the pacific and not via CDG.

In the case of DXB-SFO, the non-stop route isn't exactly over the Pacific though, at least not according to Great Circle Mapper (which, I know, does not respect air routes, but still....)
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:49 am

Amax: The only other airline would be someone w/ the plane that can do it. Plus, it would be the hub carriers most likely. EK or UA, the latter not having the A/C to do it, at the very least.

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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting Amax1977 (Reply 22):
Any other airline except Emirates to launch DXB-SFO nonstop flight???

I know QR planning to come to USA once they have enough aircrafts to serve their routes. They are thinking of NYC-DOH, SFO-DOH, IAD-DOH, ORD-DOH. I don’t know though if they secured the landing right to USA yet.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 20):
The fuel prices hit right after EK seemed to get the rights to fly the route, and all issue's resolved.

do you have any idea if EK had the daily flight rights to SFO or not though.
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting Detroiter (Reply 25):
do you have any idea if EK had the daily flight rights to SFO or not though.

To be honest I don't know... Any one know???
 
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RE: Emirates Flight To SFO

Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:22 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 19):
s did MS with CAI-JFK-LAX.

Incorrect. The LAX extension was profitable and was terminated due to the drop in passenger numbers after 9/11 and the new US security laws imposed on airline passengers at the first point of entry into the US.

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