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Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:39 pm

A man was arrested after raising his fist at a fellow passenger in 7B, and then punching out the inner window on a HP flight from LAS to TPA. He also busted the frame around the window. He's out on bail with electronic monitoring.

[Edited 2005-10-14 16:41:23]
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:42 pm

Some people can't help it. Their family tree's just have one limb. They just don't know any better.

Wonder if he knew the one he was trying to hit?


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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:46 pm

Is HP going to sue the passenger for damage and replacement of the window and the surround structure?
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:04 am

Frame damage is a bigger job.Make him pay for it.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:13 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Is HP going to sue the passenger for damage and replacement of the window and the surround structure?



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Frame damage is a bigger job.Make him pay for it.
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He should absolutely pay for all of the damage to the aircraft. He is obviously a goon.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:15 am

Bummer for him, hes on the blacklist.  Wink
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:40 am

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:58 am

The guy sounds mentally disturbed. Why wasn't he on Southwest where he belongs? silly 
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:04 am

Note that the flight was from Las Vegas. Maybe he has a gambling problem and dropped a lot at the tables in there and very angry about his 'bad luck'. Now he has some real trouble. Oh well, looks food and lodging will be provided by the Feds for a number of months or years.
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:05 am

This guy needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

Unbelievable!
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 7):
The guy sounds mentally disturbed. Why wasn't he on Southwest where he belongs?

That would have been a great segment on the "Airline" television program. I would have watched.

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Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting Contrails (Reply 9):
This guy needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

Didn't we used to do that? I don't think the medical ethicists approve(d).  Smile
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:04 am

I just heard on CBS radio "that the man's attorney blames drug abuse".
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:34 am

These people often turn up looking nuts at the check-in desk. They should be stopped there.

Airlines might get a few more loyal customers if they thought the pax were vetted for loons before the flight. They have now probably lost a whole aircraft full of future passengers. Not good business tactics.  Sad
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting N501US (Reply 12):
I just heard on CBS radio "that the man's attorney blames drug abuse".

What ever happened to personal accountability? Oh yeah that went out with the rubix cube in 1984.  drunk 
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 13):
These people often turn up looking nuts at the check-in desk. They should be stopped there.

With what excuse? "Excuse me sir, but you look kinda nut and therefore we can't let you onboard the aircraft 'till you wipe that look off your face"
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 13):
They have now probably lost a whole aircraft full of future passengers. Not good business tactics.

Just what, exactly, could have been done? Should all passengers be put in arm restraints in case one randomly decides to crack? I would hope the rest of the passengers understood what was going on, and that it could happen with any airline.

If not, well, that's just as asinine as the passenger who said they'd never fly US Airways again because there was too much turbulence.
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:22 am

Quoting N501US (Reply 12):
I just heard on CBS radio "that the man's attorney blames drug abuse".

In the American legal system, that means he is innocent.

I did not have an inner plastic window on my flight from HNL-ORD in 1998.
I complained to the FA and she brought over the first officer who assured me
that everything would be OK. I knew that but just wanted to make sure they knew to replace it when we arrive in ORD.

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting Drewfly (Reply 6):
God imagine being the passenger in 7A.

Uh, he was the passenger in 7A.  wink 

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:37 am

Hello all,

Ca2hHP, PIA777 in our American legal system he will be found guilty, regardless of his alleged drug dependency. Depending on which state he is charged in the penalty for endengaring the lives of 100+ people could be quite draconian. becasue he is claiming that drugs made him lose his judgement does not mean he is not accepting personal responsibility. It may mean that, but now we are passing judgement... Perhaps if he claimed that he was beating up an atheist or someone that opposes the war in Iraq that might make his transgression a bit more palatable, in certain states at least. I guess that you can say that I find our legal system of justice to be for the most part fair (more fair if you have lots of money) but at least fairer than most- so I am sticking up for it.

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 1):
Wonder if he knew the one he was trying to hit?

He probably wanted to become a Window(s) Plug-in  innocent 

At least he would have been awarded with a great panorama view and an impressive feeling for the speed  footinmouth 

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 19):
Perhaps if he claimed that he was beating up an atheist or someone that opposes the war in Iraq that might make his transgression a bit more palatable, in certain states at least

Sheer brilliance! We've found his defense: "Well your honor, I was just trying to do this country a good deed by taking out these 100+ unpatriotic Americans!" What's sad is, this might work.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:50 am

The frame for the inner pane - which has no structural function at all should be fairly easy to sort out.

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
I did not have an inner plastic window on my flight from HNL-ORD in 1998.
I complained to the FA and she brought over the first officer who assured me
that everything would be OK. I knew that but just wanted to make sure they knew to replace it when we arrive in ORD.

The inner pane is more of a scratch guard and insulation. I'm a little surprised that you were able to occupy the seat with it missing because it is possible to get a nasty cold burn if you touched the middle pane.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:54 am

"It appears to have come out of nowhere," said Marchione's attorney, Thomas Ostrander. "Perhaps it was some sort of a psychotic episode as a result of drug abuse." - CNN article

He should be in jail for possibly being a drug addict in the first place. I have no doubt that some sleek lawyer will convince a dumb jury that he had "temporary insanity." The famous temporary insanity claim! Hope the guy gets full 20 years for this extremely dangerous act.

[Edited 2005-10-15 00:54:54]
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 23):
I have no doubt that some sleek lawyer will convince a dumb jury that he had "temporary insanity."

My guess is that you get most of your legal views from movies and have little if any concept of what's really involved with succeeding on a temporary insanity plea.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:39 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 24):
My guess is that you get most of your legal views from movies and have little if any concept of what's really involved with succeeding on a temporary insanity plea.

Like on the other thread about NWA maintenence, you have all the answers and everyone else is dumb. People get their opinions on legal matters from what they see actually happening and the fact is that they see this happen in some high profile cases and know that it is possible...but of course you know everything so I bow to your knowledge.

I agree with the guy who said he was pissed from losing at gambling...

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:37 am

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 25):
People get their opinions on legal matters from what they see actually happening and the fact is that they see this happen in some high profile cases and know that it is possible

For one thing, the poster didn't say it was possible. He said he had no doubt. That's nothing but ignorant nonsense. Since it sounds like you want to take over his hopeless cause, perhaps you should start by linking to some actual cases of all these BS temporary insanity pleas that managed to prevail over common sense in an otherwise open-and-shut case. Good luck.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:42 am

Reason 31 not to fly in America for a while  Smile
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:49 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 27):
Reason 31 not to fly in America for a while

Idiots know no geographical boundaries. They're in Europe too. Just fly Ryanair once in a while.
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:23 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
I did not have an inner plastic window on my flight from HNL-ORD in 1998.
I complained to the FA and she brought over the first officer who assured me
that everything would be OK.

I was under the impression the inner plastic window also served as a sort of temperature shield from the outer cold panes.
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:45 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 29):
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
I did not have an inner plastic window on my flight from HNL-ORD in 1998.
I complained to the FA and she brought over the first officer who assured me
that everything would be OK.

I was under the impression the inner plastic window also served as a sort of temperature shield from the outer cold panes

On most Aircraft the Inner Pane is a Decorative Panel.The Airloads are taken by the Middle & Outer Panes.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:24 pm

This is why the goverment should shut down all LLC's!  smile 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:28 pm

What would have really been funny is if he'd have gotten all the way through. The closest large object to the depressurization would have plugged the hole, in this case, the mans body. He'd have easily lost his arm to frostbite and high wind.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 19):
Ca2hHP, PIA777 in our American legal system he will be found guilty, regardless of his alleged drug dependency.

With our luck, he'll wind up sueing the airline and Boeing for damages to his hand, and walk away with a couple of million in settlements.

"The hard window does not have enough compliance to protect one's hand in case of a punch being throw against the window. HP and Boeing were aware of this fatal flaw and tried to withold this information from the public. Punitive damages are due to my client."

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:46 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 32):
What would have really been funny is if he'd have gotten all the way through. The closest large object to the depressurization would have plugged the hole, in this case, the mans body. He'd have easily lost his arm to frostbite and high wind.

And would have probably sued the airline for not warning him that punching through the window could be dangerous.  Yeah sure

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting Contrails (Reply 9):
This guy needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

Assuming that the guy didn't wear his seat belt, he actually _WAS_ trying to flush himself out of the gene pool. Unfortunately, the outer panes were built to strong...  Wink

Just have to add that back in 2002 onboard VH-OJF the inner window kept falling onto my lap about every 10 minutes, until I successfully found a way to fix it with the limited assortment of... *errm*... tools available inflight.

*reflecting*

OMG, if this had happened in the U.S. I might still sit in jail?!?  Wow!
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:52 pm

Maybe the window started it. Have any of you considered that?
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting David L (Reply 36):
Maybe the window started it. Have any of you considered that?

Its true, and since, after further review of the case, it was determined that a proper interview of the window was not conducted, thus representing gross-negligence on the part of the investigators, thus making any prosecution of my client unconstitutional...I move for dismissal....
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
This is why the goverment should shut down all LLC's

Whats an LLC.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 23):
He should be in jail for possibly being a drug addict in the first place.

 Confused

So, you're saying that if someone is suspected of "possibly" having a drug problem they should be thrown in jail?
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 28):
Idiots know no geographical boundaries. They're in Europe too. Just fly Ryanair once in a while.

Yes indeed, we can find idiots everywhere. But your example is wrong. The idiot is the CEO of this airline and not a passenger.  Big grin

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 40):
The idiot is the CEO of this airline and not a passenger.

But he also flies on Ryanair as well so, therefore, he is a passenger and, therefore, he is also an idiot in the air.  Smile

Still it would have made a good news story. The plane comes into land live on TV, just like the Jetblue flight, except this time with a bloke hanging out of one of the windows rahter than a buggered up landing gear. If he had died he would have been a Darwin Award Winner.
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting N328KF (Thread starter):
Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

You can him a man?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 38):
Whats an LLC.

Limited Liability Corporation.
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:25 am

A few things come to mind:


  • We don't know for sure if this guy was drunk, on drugs or what have you. If he was intoxicated or under the influance then yes, throw the book at him.

  • It may well be there was nothing to indicate he would go off the rails like this. If it is psychosis, we need to find out why, if he has a history of mental illness, or if it involves something else. Unless it is substance related or if he deliberately chooses to off his meds, personal responsibility does not apply because he is incapable of making autonomous decisions.

  • It's not always that easy to tell if someone has been drinking or on drugs. Observing movement isn't always accurate. If you smell alcohol on the breath that is the most definitive indication one is intoxicated. Drugs are more difficult. If you look into ones eyes and the pupils appear dialated, even in bright light that may be an indicator. Otherwise it's not so clear.

  • Let's cut the guy some slack. There may be an explanation for why he behaved like that, so let's not push him out the broken window until we know "the rest of the story."


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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:41 am

He was just trying to disprove the claim on Mythbusters that a hole in a window will not cause explosive decompression....lol Smile
 
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 43):
Let's cut the guy some slack.

Yeah! Some slack in his soap rope when he goes to prison! Big grin
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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 43):
A few things come to mind:

Come on now....we don't need facts.... we've got conclusions we can jump to!

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:38 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 45):
Yeah! Some slack in his soap rope when he goes to prison!

All I'm trying to say is we don't have all the information, and yet people seem to have him tried, convicted and strung up by his soap on a rope. Remember, this should not be done "out of selfishness or vainglory, humbly regarding others more important than yourselves."

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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:00 pm

It comes to mind that he also could have been having a type of seizure; hypnopompic hallucinations; or another medical condition. However, if his lawyer says it was related to drug abuse, then...  Angry


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RE: Man Punches Out Window On LAS-TPA HP Flight

Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:54 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
I did not have an inner plastic window on my flight from HNL-ORD in 1998.
I complained to the FA and she brought over the first officer who assured me
that everything would be OK. I knew that but just wanted to make sure they knew to replace it when we arrive in ORD.

PIA777

This flight should never have been dispatched this way. I had this same thing when we first got our Airbus A321s and I had it happen twice(it was alwasy 1F in business class..I dont know if it was the same aircraft or not) we didnt board until it was taken care of. At our company that was a no-go item/issue

Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
This is why the goverment should shut down all LLC's!

The government should shut down all limited liability corporations?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 38):
Whats an LLC.

limited liability corporation! As opposed to an LCC which is a LOW COST CARRIER, of course totally different than a low fare carrier  Smile.

[Edited 2005-10-19 10:56:34]