Derico
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New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:18 am

That's what a newspaper is saying, and that yesterday the announcement was made by AA2000 and the City of BA mayor.

A rail line would connect the now sparkling redone Constitucion Station with a new underground station at Ezeiza Ministro Pistarini International Airport non-stop, near the B terminal of the airport, that would include shops, cafes, and two boarding platforms. Constitution Station would be expanded with garage parking for cars, and a pre-boarding area so that passengers can check in at the train station, downtown!

Would that idea of pre-embarking at Constitucion Station fly with passengers, but most importantly with security officials from other countries?

There is also plan for a rail service from Retiro Station to AEP Newberry International.

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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Would that idea of pre-embarking at Constitucion Station fly with passengers, but most importantly with security officials from other countries?

Hong Kong does it, you can check in at the train station on victoria harbour and take the train to Chep Lak Kok and go directly to your plane, no need to chek in at the airport.

Good move by the city of BA, does protestors blocking the expressway every week sure make an inconvenience out of travellers.
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:58 am

In the good all days you could do it at Victoria Station for your flights ex LGW with BA.

It was just great. BA had a proper desk with 4 or 5 positions and a escalator connecting with the GAtwick Express. It looked like being at the airport.

This was later closed when BA its reorganisation programme under Eddington
 
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Would that idea of pre-embarking at Constitucion Station fly with passengers, but most importantly with security officials from other countries?

Kuala Lumpar does that as well. All that happens is that you get checked-in and your luggage taken from you. That luggage travels in a special secure area of the train. You still undertake the usual security procedures upon arrival at the airport.

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 2):
This was later closed when BA its reorganisation programme under Eddington

It wasn't BA, it was several airlines and partnerships. At Paddington (for Heathrow) I think Star Alliance were the only ones left at the end, and even they quit at the end of last year due to lack of demand. The biggest problem, IMHO, was that you had to check-in at least 2 hours before your flight, when airport check-in was under an hour - and they're only 15 minutes travelling time apart!

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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:42 am

 bitelip   cloudnine   cheerful 

Finally!!
Ezeiza is far from downtown Buenos Aires, and the taxis are expensive.
The only problem that I can think of is the insecurity, specially for tourist.
I used to take the train from Constitution to Monte Grande, is a long ride but the price is much better than taxi or remis.


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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:02 am

This is great news for Buenos Aires and Argentina! I knew a EZE-downtown rail link had been discussed for quite some time but never expected the project to come to fruition so quickly.

I am convinced the key proponent advocating the development of this project has been the private airport operator, AA2000. They have a keen interest in expanding traffic at EZE and facilitating the experience for all travelers.

We are now truly realizing the benefits of the 1998 airports privatization [after a few hiccups after the 2002 economic crash]. The construction of the wonderful new EZE terminal and now the rail connection will hopefully increase annual traffic at EZE to over 15 million [from 8 million today] and create long-standing benefits for all.

I am most impressed with the low cost of the project, only ARS 200 million, or USD 67 million, with the state only having to provide ARS 70 million, or USD 24 million and the private sector providing the rest. In addition, the rail equipment will be part of a deal with Spain offering used, reconditioned rail cars at very favorable acquisition costs. The used rail equipment will be shipped from Spain and refurbished/reconditioned in Argentina at low cost. Perhaps most importantly, the project will start in early 2006 and will take only 20 months to complete!!

Overall, excellent infrastructure project for the Argentine Republic!

[Edited 2005-10-14 23:04:21]
 
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:29 am

Mmmmmm....... Just days before an election.
 
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Plunafan (Reply 6):
Mmmmmm....... Just days before an election.

Well because this gonna benefit the people that will vote Kirchner... 8-I

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 2):
In the good all days you could do it at Victoria Station for your flights ex LGW with BA.

Can't you do this from STN still? When I went up there in '99, you could.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
This is great news for Buenos Aires and Argentina! I knew a EZE-downtown rail link had been discussed for quite some time but never expected the project to come to fruition so quickly.

Yes, because of no interest from the rail companies currently administrating the rail lines.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
I am convinced the key proponent advocating the development of this project has been the private airport operator, AA2000

Yessir. But the Government is puting all the money. AA2000 is actually putting the cash for EZE's new terminals.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
increase annual traffic at EZE to over 15 million [from 8 million today

It is actually 5.1 million, with AEP combined they make 10 million.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
with the state only having to provide ARS 70 million

Plus tax exemptions.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
The used rail equipment will be shipped from Spain and refurbished/reconditioned in Argentina at low cost. Perhaps most importantly, the project will start in early 2006 and will take only 20 months to complete!!

Yes - considering that the 'Línea Roca' already gets to the city of Ezeiza, and its about 13km away from the airport. It's too much a long wait!

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
Overall, excellent infrastructure project for the Argentine Republic!

Ditto!

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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:34 am

Great indeed, although I keep some doubts about the profits and the economical viability of the project. KUL I understand, HKG I understand, CDG and LHR I understand, but Buenos Aires, Argentina? An airport than handles less than 10 millions per year will support a non stop rail service?

As the aeroisla, just another fancy and exentric announcement for me. Let's see.
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:15 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
I keep some doubts about the profits and the economical viability of the project. KUL I understand, HKG I understand, CDG and LHR I understand, but Buenos Aires, Argentina? An airport than handles less than 10 millions per year will support a non stop rail service?

Nobody cares about profitability here. It's a public service, and they are not subject to O&D. They are subject to needs - just like the flights 4M is not flying and AR is. It's a social responsability -even that I don't like-, that the government imposes to all companies operating in Argentina. Railroads in Argentina operate at a loss - and they are subsidize by the government. The railroad was LONG DUE, basically - it was something everybody wanted for years.

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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
An airport than handles less than 10 millions per year will support a non stop rail service?

While CDG, LHR and FRA all have much greater traffic than EZE, the planned rail-link in Buenos Aires does not require a massive investment and capital costs, greatly decreasing the financial risk involved. The project would have to mostly cover operational costs.

Practically all of EZE's traffic is O&D. Even at EZE's low current traffic, over 15 thousand daily riders would utilize the new service, assuming a 50% usage rate [albeit high]. Assuming a USD 5/ride fare nets the operator USD 75 thousand in daily revenue, or USD 27 million in yearly revenue. Assuming a 30% free cash flow margin, the operator would cover the initial investment in less than nine years; not bad for a major infrastructure project.
 
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:03 pm

It's about time! It will sure beat taking the #86 bus to downtown.
 
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:20 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
An airport than handles less than 10 millions per year will support a non stop rail service?

hey Ive never been in BA, but they told me the expressway is pretty crouded, especially in the toll area, and huelguistas love to close the expressway to "protest". For the business traveler this news is mana from heaven
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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:27 pm

hola a todos!
I think its about time they have a rail service linking the airports(s) to the city. However, I'm not so sure about the pressure of whoever "owns" the highway that goes to EZE (is it Macri's as well?). They will not want this railway to be built, but let's hope for the best.

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Would that idea of pre-embarking at Constitucion Station fly with passengers, but most importantly with security officials from other countries?

You have this system in Madrid, in the Nuevos Ministerios station, where you can check-in for all Spanish companies. I personally have never used ... I feel better using the regular check-in, but I have heard no complaints so it must work.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
As the aeroisla, just another fancy and exentric announcement for me. Let's see.

Hola Arcano,
you have a point, but temember the aeroisla was impossible to build because of the characteristics of the Rio de la Plata. Well, maybe not impossible, but almost. A railroad however is much easier to build.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 12):
hey Ive never been in BA, but they told me the expressway is pretty crouded, especially in the toll area, and huelguistas love to close the expressway to "protest".

The actual airport expressway does not get usually crowded, but once you get into the city expressways on rush hour ... its hell! Now, the piqueteros blocking the airport highway ... fortunatly, it has not happened for quite some time, so fingers crossed. But, that problem would not dissapear with a railway, since they could just cut off the railway instead of the highway.

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RE: New Rail From EZE To Downtown Buenos Aires?

Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
But, that problem would not dissapear with a railway, since they could just cut off the railway instead of the highway.

That's true.