BGOODAM
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Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:33 am

These new carriers that are trying to copy original LCC's mainly in the U.S. like WN are more and more failing at their attempt.
For one, their hiring process is nothing similar to WN or Jetblue which is based on 3 interviews by their qualified personnel. Interjet for example is spending, on written, phsycological exams making the process lenghty and costly never eliminating much of the beurocratic process that has always acompanied the hiring process. Second they are hiring retired pilots, that are probably going to leave soon costing the company more.
These are just some of the many things that seperate real LCC's from these wanabee's. These are more like LPC's (Low Pay Carriers). For example LCC's like WN have the highest 737 pilot's in the world, able to offer their employees a descent living. These companies that are staring up are going to lower the bar for the kind of airplane they are going to fly. Atop of that I just dont think they will have that LCC culture that will make them succesfull, and these points especially their hiring process is to me the first indication that they don't have a clue as to what they are doing.
 
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting BGOODAM (Thread starter):
Atop of that I just dont think they will have that LCC culture that will make them succesfull, and these points especially their hiring process is to me the first indication that they don't have a clue as to what they are doing.

Well, at least they just started. The good thing is that starting in december, I am going to be able to fly to Cancun for less than 2,500 pesos (if not more) that normal carriers charge me and that I see as a great thing. I don´t care if I fly Interjet, click, Aviacsa, Azteca, AM o MX, the only thing I know is that AM and MX will have to give me the same price or their planes will go empty and that is what I love about competition. We, the normal people are the ones who win, don´t you think? Me having the oportunity to get in an airplane 2 o 3 times more often than in the past is what really makes me happy.
 
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:18 am

SKYONE,

I agree expect that I would rather take a safe established airline that a
new LCC hiring retired pilots.
 
ghost77
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:58 am

Firstly, Read the news!

Recently Reforma published an article related to InterJet. Official information from Interjet was revealed. They claim they're NOT a LCC. They will try to reduce ticket prices and be more efficient in the operation but they've clearly stated they're not a LCC.

As for all retired pilots... what's wrong with that? Were else could Interjet get A320 experienced pilots in Mexico? There's none!!! Only ex. MX pilots can do the job. Additionally ex. MX pilots will be the ones with all the experience in hands and operation and THANKS to that they will help a lot to boost Interjet's operations at the beginning. Think smart, think right. In the short term this will help Interjet to establish, grow and develop but with the time and consequently new pilots will get to be hired.

More over, read ARTICLE 32 of Mexico's CPEUM, were else could they get pilots?

If this then is a problem, make ASPA retired pilots sign a paper in which clearly establish and prohibits the entrance to any other airline once retiring from MX or AM. Who will sing this? No one!

Finally, afraid of competition?

It's really nice to see MX former pilots turning it's back and walking/joining the competition.

And as Vuela and Golmex could follow this patterns then could we safely say they will not be LCC's?! Heck didn't Click did the exact same sh$t? IIRC they hired a batch of ex. MX pilots! Same sh$t different puddle!

Kudos to Interjet which will invest in Mexico in less than 5 years more of what MX and AM together current value is!


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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting BGOODAM (Thread starter):
For one, their hiring process is nothing similar to WN or Jetblue which is based on 3 interviews by their qualified personnel.

At WN we only have two interviews. A group session and if you make it past that, one-on-ones. I've spent a good 40+ hours over the past two weeks doing interviews at BWI, so unless I've missed something, it's only a two-step process.

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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:47 pm

A friend of mine that works in interjet told me that Interjet has only 12 retired pilots. The other 30 plus are training in the Miami airbus facility. The mane point is to combine the experienced pilots with 40 plus year old co-pilots that will eventually become Captains in very short time and create a great cabin culture . I thing it's another smart move from interjet.
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:08 pm

First of all, Wellcome to the forums A320.

Quoting A320YES (Reply 5):
I thing it's another smart move from interjet.

Indeed, actually interjet took various retired pilots from MX and offered job to some active pilots, but ASPA was worried about a new "taesa" for the pilots.

And also about their ground crews, their offer jobs for some people at SEAT, and just to add, 3 ex employees of MX are now with interjet for the route opening.

Cheers.
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:02 am

Hi A320YES, welcome on board! I hope you will enjoy reading the threads, posting opinions and looking at the pictures as much as I have since I joined almost 2 years ago.

It seems to me that Interjet is doing things right and I wish them great success.
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RE: Mexican LCC's Not Really LCC's

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:19 am

I agree with you guys, Interjet seems to have a pretty good plan set out. Hopefully and it does seem likely that they will be sucessful. I am looking forward to flying on some of these new carriers. What is the financial situation with AM and MX? Can they reduce their ticket prices and continue to survive? The industry is getting tough, and older airlines with higher overheads seem to be getting a good kick in the butt.
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