thomasphoto60
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KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:50 am

As many here know already know, KLM plans to replace it's 4x weekly 767-300 service to IAH with a PrivatAir 738BBJ at the end of the month. So my question is, will these plane(s) be painted in the KL livery or will they maintain their current PrivatAir colors? As far as I know, (please correct me if I am wrong) this is PrivaAir's first contract with a mainline int'l carrier, thus I was wondering if like World Airways has done in the past with carriers like Malaysian, Garuda, Aer Lingus and others, allow their A/C to be painted in the contracting operator's livery.

Just curious.

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
As far as I know, (please correct me if I am wrong) this is PrivaAir's first contract with a mainline int'l carrier

PrivateAir does several flights a week on LH's behalf.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
So my question is, will these plane(s) be painted in the KL livery or will they maintain their current PrivatAir colors?

I would assume that they would reamain in PrivatAir's colors, just as they do for the LH flights.
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AlitaliaMD11
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:59 am

They will remain in PrivatAir's colors just like they do for Swiss and Lufthansa  Smile

PrivatAir flies for Swiss on the GVA-EWR-GVA route, as well as for Lufthansa from DUS to EWR and ORD, making this PrivatAir's third contact with a mainline airline.


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thomasphoto60
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:09 pm

Thanks, question answered.

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:48 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
PrivatAir flies for Swiss on the GVA-EWR-GVA route

The flight operates ZRH-EWR, not GVA-EWR.

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:07 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
as well as for Lufthansa from DUS to EWR and ORD

And let's not forget the other LH/PrivatAir route... MUC-EWR.

But regarding that AMS-IAH-Route - I thought I had read that they're adding the PrivatAir flight, not completely replacing their own flight with it: will this plane be operated in a C/Y layout (like AF's Dedicate services) or will it be C-only?

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:22 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 5):
But regarding that AMS-IAH-Route - I thought I had read that they're adding the PrivatAir flight, not completely replacing their own flight with it: will this plane be operated in a C/Y layout (like AF's Dedicate services) or will it be C-only?

I can see your confusion  Smile

Currently, KL operates the following flights AMS-IAH:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 4x weekly 767-300ER

The privatair flight will be the KL 663 flight, so the new situation will be:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 6x weekly 737 BBJ

The BBJ flight will have 48 seats based on the old WBC-seat as featured in the 747 and MD-11. The 747-flight will be just like it was, with plenty of Y-seats.

It is already stated that if this service turns out to be a success, they will also initiate additional BBJ-service to ORD, New York and IAD. Rumours suggest that, in this case KL will operate all flights with their own metal, to be purchased brand new at Boeing.
 
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:23 pm

the plane will receive about 40 KL business class seats , the same as in the A330 and 777...
 
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:42 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
The privatair flight will be the KL 663 flight, so the new situation will be:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 6x weekly 737 BBJ

Thank you, Joost, that was precisely what I was looking for - I wasn't aware that KL already has two flights (even if not two daily flights) to IAH... do Shell, Exxon & Co really produce that much traffic on the route?

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:24 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
The BBJ flight will have 48 seats



Quoting MauriceB (Reply 7):
he plane will receive about 40 KL business class seats

Haha our average numbers turns out to be right. From privatair.ch:

Quote:
Business aviation specialist PrivatAir will operate a brand new 44 seat Boeing Business Jet (737-700 IGW) aircraft on behalf of KLM Royal Dutch Airlines from 30th October 2005 onwards.



Quoting Leskova (Reply 8):
I wasn't aware that KL already has two flights (even if not two daily flights) to IAH... do Shell, Exxon & Co really produce that much traffic on the route?

Apparently  Smile And added to these flights, also CO flies the route heavily. Currently, they are flying:

CO 47, 7x weekly 764
CO 59, 3x weekly 762

The CO 59 flight will be removed from the schedule eff Nov. 01, but the daily CO 47 will remain. It is not very strange that CO cuts on AMS flights since they are adding more and more services to Europe from EWR, so passengers who traveled IAH-AMS-HAM before, (the AMS-HAM part codeshared on KL) will now be routed IAH-EWR-HAM, all on CO metal.

Both airports are of course skyteam hubs and many codeshares are beyond both, including important links like AMS-ACC, AMS-LOS, AMS-Middle east, etc.

But still, a lot of flights indeed  Smile
 
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:50 pm

Anyone can tell what the flight time is and if PrivatAir´s BBJ (or any other BBJ for that matter) can REALLY offer that kind of range?  crossfingers 

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:07 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 10):
Anyone can tell what the flight time is

This is what I just took out of Sabre:

10NOV  FLT SEGMENT DPTR  ARVL   MEALS    EQP  ELPD MILES SM     

2 KL* 663 AMS IAH 1425 1845 DS/DS/DS 737 11.20 5011 N
ARR-TERMINAL D INTERNATIONAL
*AMS-IAH OPERATED BY PRIVATAIR BUSINESS JET FOR KLM



11NOV FLT SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD MILES SM
2 KL* 664 IAH AMS 2015 1235 ‡ DB/DB/DB 737 9.20 5011 N
DEP-TERMINAL D INTERNATIONAL
*IAH-AMS OPERATED BY PRIVATAIR BUSINESS JET FOR KLM


Quoting PPSMA (Reply 10):
and if PrivatAir´s BBJ (or any other BBJ for that matter) can REALLY offer that kind of range?

I'm quite confident that KLM and PrivatAir will have looked into that question before planning and introducing the flight - so I'll just say: yes.

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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:44 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 9):
Both airports are of course skyteam hubs and many codeshares are beyond both, including important links like AMS-ACC, AMS-LOS, AMS-Middle east, etc.

Interesting question, will/would/might CO codeshare onto KL663??
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting COFreqFlyer (Reply 12):
will/would/might CO codeshare onto KL663??

No.

By the current US government allowance, CO is not allowed to codeshare on KLM-flights between the hubs (transatantic flights), they can only codeshare beyond the hubs. The only airline that is granted antitrust immunity with KLM is, of course, NWA. But KL and CO are effectively competing with each other on both AMS-IAH and AMS-EWR, (just like KL competes with DL on AMS-JFK and AMS-ATL); beyond the hubs they are each others best friends  Smile
 
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:04 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 11):
I'm quite confident that KLM and PrivatAir will have looked into that question before planning and introducing the flight - so I'll just say: yes.

If, due to strong headwinds or different routings related to weather, a fuel-stop at BOS will be planned (I was told by someone with KLM)
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:18 am

For anybody who's interested and living in The Netherlands, tomorrow Sunday KL CEO van Wijk will be interviewed on television. RTL7, 12.15, Smart Traveller.
Topics are the PrivatAir lease, growing market China and hub Schiphol among others.
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RE: KLM/PrivatAirBBJ, Livery

Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 15):
RTL7, 12.15, Smart Traveller

Thanks for the info. RTL7 is that the former Yorin? (I just can't keep up with all the changes in the Dutch television channels...)
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