ricardofg
Posts: 581
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:09 am

Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:49 pm

Big news out of Toronto this week! According to YYZNews.com, Emirates Airlines plans to begin operation DXB-YYZ-DXB 3x weekly commencing as early as April 2006 using A340-500! Air Canada may also start operation on this route and then continuing on to Pakistan...the report also states that Emirates will eventually like to add YUL and YVR in the future using A340-500 also. CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM IN YYZ!!!!!

Regards,
Ric MPYYZ
 
AC787
Posts: 330
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:25 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:53 pm

Thats awseome. I hope to take them to cairo from yyz sometime soon then.

YUL makes sense with its large arab community, but could yvr rlly sustain a flight to dubai and its onward connections? I doubt ppl from yvr are going to fly emirates to go to asia or australia because of the incredible detour it would be. So it would be relying on vancouver traffic to dubai and surrounding middle east region, which i didnt think was very high.
 
Detroiter
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:31 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:17 pm

Hummm,

Well, EK had the 3x right long time ago but they said they wont fly to YYZ unless they have the daily right. I wonder what made them change their mind? Maybe the arrival or EY?

But it will be a very smart move from AC if they fly to UAE and Pakistan. And I am sure they will be full all the way.

Can you kindly send us a link of the article?


Thanks
 
ricardofg
Posts: 581
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:09 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:19 pm

 
User avatar
yowza
Posts: 4275
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:55 pm

Is this some kind of EK/AC codeshare to circumvent the bilateral agreement between the UAE and Canada allowing only one carrier from each country to operate in the other? I was under the impression that Eithad had already been OKed to fly AUH BRU YYZ. Any info would be great because I'f love to avoid flying to JFK to get to DXB.

YOWza
 
EK156
Posts: 646
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 8:01 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:37 pm

Technically EK had the 3x weekly before and one of the top managers refused it and insisted on a daily... well when EY jumped on the 3x weekly slot, Emirates lost them. This was a very big managerial flop and that top manager at EK was sacked by the chairman of EK himself!!! It was a big scandal at EK but it was kept hush hush....

I think that same manager also was the cause of EK losing the slots at Capetown as well!!!

So I believe, somehow AC made a special agreement with EK to allow them to fly to Canada. Could it be that AC got 5th Freedom to Pakistan?

Regards
EK 156
 
aircanada014
Posts: 1224
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:24 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:38 pm

Hello all

Here's a link to AC future route and destinations. http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/in...ents/CIBC_Frontenac_conference.pdf Its very interesting to see AC flying to the middle east. But in order for AC to fly there they need more aircrafts. Lets hope the pilot situations gets resolved so AC can place a huge boeing orders again.
 
AlitaliaMD11
Posts: 3704
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:19 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:17 pm

The A340-500 has already visited YUL on a diversion from JFK. It looks quiet nice in that winter Canadian light!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frederic Kogut
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frederic Kogut

No Vueling No Party
 
jacobin777
Posts: 12262
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:29 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:40 am

This will be a very interesting battle between AC, PK, and EK.....with PK only going to Pakistan only 2x/weekly (but I think they do well on their YYZ-MAN routes also)....

AC DEFINITELY needs those planes to compete, especially with EK, as I see PK being only a niche player on that route...
"Up the Irons!"
 
flyyul
Posts: 4394
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:25 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:46 am

PK cannot accept local traffic on YYZMAN.
 
soups
Posts: 3220
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:41 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:55 am

Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
behramjee
Posts: 4333
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:56 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:27 am

AC would probably be flying the A 343 to DXB nonstop and I would prefer it if they extended the flight to LHE and not KHI as they would be killed in KHI by EK-QR-GF etc.

The majority of Pakistani immigrants in Canada hail from the LHE/Punjab region where there are fewer flight options per week to the West (from LHE Im refering to) compared to KHI due to the latter having a liberal open skies policy.

A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC + the 5th freedom traffic on the DXB-LHE-DXB route is vvv high yielding.
 
airbusfanyyz
Posts: 1410
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:01 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:18 am

Interestingly enough EY had a huge centerfold advert in the yesterday's (Oct. 15th) Toronto Star newspaper promoting their new service effective Oct. 31st. EY will become the 50th carrier operating their own metal into YYZ. Part of the verbage on the ad also mentioned the excellent connections to BOM and DEL.

I know EK has been dying to get into YYZ for quite some time. However, I would imagine that the configuration of the A345s operating to YYZ would be different than those going to JFK. IMO I cannot imagine as large a premium market out of YYZ. EK has also expressed interest in flying the A380 into YYZ...

Cheers,
Kaz
 
AF022
Posts: 1633
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:41 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:49 am

I'm quite sure the Pakistanis are very restrictive in granting traffic rights to LHE/ISB, while KHI is basiclly a free-for-all. If AC can get rights to LHE they should go for it.
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 12):
Interestingly enough EY had a huge centerfold advert in the yesterday's (Oct. 15th) Toronto Star newspaper promoting their new service effective Oct. 31st.

Globe and Mail also. Very short of details though. More like a brand familiarization ad.

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 12):
EK has also expressed interest in flying the A380 into YYZ...

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.  Smile

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC

Wishful thinking perhaps. Seriously, I can't see AC adding Pakistan at all. All Pakistani cities remain relatively unstable and unsafe for Westerners. I can see the AC unions having issues with flight crew safety on layovers.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
whitehatter
Posts: 5180
Joined: Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:52 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.

not really, I would think a maximum of fifteen routes could be supported with that number of passenger A380 aircraft flying longhaul. Most routes don't fit neatly into a 24 hour schedule, and especially not one as complex to cater and load/offload as an A380.
Lead me not into temptation, I can find my own way there...
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 9):
Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran

Let's what the US Gov't has to say about that one...

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC + the 5th freedom traffic on the DXB-LHE-DXB route is vvv high yielding.

Don't think the A343 can make it. It would have to be A345.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
User avatar
yyz717
Posts: 15689
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:26 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 15):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.

not really, I would think a maximum of fifteen routes could be supported with that number of passenger A380 aircraft flying longhaul. Most routes don't fit neatly into a 24 hour schedule, and especially not one as complex to cater and load/offload as an A380.

I agree with you Whitehatter!  Smile I was being facetious. I'm still stunned and baffled by the EK order for 43 (or is 45?) A380's.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 16):
Let's what the US Gov't has to say about that one...

Just like BEY...
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
Emirates773ER
Posts: 1318
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:10 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:14 am

Well, I hope to take emirates to toronto next year then. Only if they offer a reasonable price though, any idea as to what is the pricing on this route by EY and what could EK pricing be like?
The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
 
A360
Posts: 426
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:41 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 16):
Don't think the A343 can make it. It would have to be A345.

I think it could... it's not that far... "just" 11103 km.
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 20):
I think it could... it's not that far... "just" 11103 km.

So that is a 6000nm route, the A343 has a 6700nm range.

The only reason why I suggested that doesn't the A345 would be the preferable choice of plane for the route was because I was under the impression that MH's 772ERs faced restrictions on the westbound route and I thought that the 772ER had a 7-something thousand nm range.

But now that I look again it seems like MH have the lower MTOW versions which are only capable of 6knm. Can anyone confirm or am I just talking out of my @$$?
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
sebring
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:08 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:36 am

Right now this is a dubious report. There is no provision in the existing Canada-UAE bilateral for code-sharing between Dubai and Pakistan, and no provision in the Canada-Pakistan bilateral for code-sharing by a Canadian carrier between Dubai and Pakistan. So two bilaterals will have to be amended for this to become reality. Air Canada doesn't have a spare 343 that I am aware of and is commited to launching Toronto-Shanghai next summer which will require onem if not two more 343s.

Not saying it isn't possible, EK and AC might have agreed on how to proceed "if" and "when" all the necessary prerequisites are met, but until you hear of new bilaterals and growth AC lift for 2006, this is all so premature.

[Edited 2005-10-17 01:37:35]

[Edited 2005-10-17 01:42:50]
 
AC777LR
Posts: 825
Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:07 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:35 am

Does AC have the planes to free up for this route?
Member since April 2000
 
yow
Posts: 2125
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2001 2:47 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 17):
I'm still stunned and baffled by the EK order for 43 (or is 45?) A380's.

It seems like EK is trying to compete with LHR by turing DXB into a "Crossroads of the World." Anyone think this is possible. Don't forget, add another +20 777s and + 330/340s still to come into the mix.
 
PIA777
Posts: 1841
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:39 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
Air Canada may also start operation on this route and then continuing on to Pakistan

Not a bad idea with all the Pakistanis there. I wonder what took them so long.

PIA777
GO CUBS!!
 
lnglive1011yyz
Posts: 1502
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:23 pm

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:06 am

While doing a call on a customer at Yonge & Sheppard, I walked into my customers building, to see an office held by Emirates.

The office looked like a flight planning centre!!!!

It was quite exciting to see, so I knew something was coming!

1011yyz
Pack your bags, we're going on a sympathy trip!
 
sebring
Posts: 1320
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:08 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:42 am

I have this right from the horse's mouth

The story is bogus.

At best it is premature and highly speculative

While AC is interested in Dubai, there are a lot of obstacles and no particular urgency to surmount them.

Nothing is going to happen for April 2006, and possibly not April 2007 or April 2008.
 
airbusfanyyz
Posts: 1410
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:01 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:55 am

Sebring,
I suspected as much on the AC side, they have much more pressing needs anyway.
Obviously the bilateral needs to be reworked for EK to service Canada let alone YYZ. I do hope this happens, the more carriers to YYZ the better for us spotters/photographers.

Cheers,
Kaz
 
User avatar
yowza
Posts: 4275
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
The A340-500 has already visited YUL on a diversion from JFK. It looks quiet nice in that winter Canadian light!

Boeing brought a 773 in EK colours to YUL in the last few months too and it blended right in.

Quoting Soups (Reply 10):
Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran

Source? An ayatollah perhaps?

As far as EK firing up the MENA market, I dont see it till they have some more long range aircraft. Perhaps it's time to give the IFLC a call.

YOWza
 
ac7e7
Posts: 655
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:27 am

RE: Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:51 pm

Quoting Soups (Reply 10):
Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran



Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 16):
Let's what the US Gov't has to say about that one...

Forget your obsession with the U.S. ... Canadian-Iranian relations are at a low point right now. There is no way the Canadian government will allow AC to Iran.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: A60Stock, aflyingkiwi, afterburner, alphonze, andrej, azstar, Baidu [Spider], BartSimpson, Bing [Bot], David L, dk44, Emperorvalse, european742, hvusslax, jfklganyc, jupiter2, KarelXWB, qf15, qf789, scallar, SyeaphanR, tootallsd, UAL777UK, vv701, Yahoo [Bot] and 204 guests