CKT789
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Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:43 am

Air Scotland seems to be having an awful few days. It started earlier this week when the plane was held at Edinburgh by the fuel supplier. This was supposed to be because the airline has now been sold to its Spanish partners and there was some confusion during the transfer of ownership.

However, over the weekend the delay seems to have gotten longer. The BAA website shows the 5.40am flight to Malaga as Gate Closed. Does anyone know if it has left and the website hasn't been updated? It was due to come back into Edinburgh from Malaga and there is no expected time for arrival yet.

On the Air Scotland's wesbite, it says that all passengers travelling between now and Friday must contact Customer Services ASAP to confirm their flight times. Does anyone know what will happen on Friday to clear this delay?

I guess these are the problems that you get when you operate a one aircraft airline.

BAA Glasgow Arrivals Board
http://www.baa.co.uk/portal/site/def...en&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=token

Air Scotland Website
http://www.air-scotland.co.uk

Glasgow Evening Times Story about delay earlier in the week
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5044545.html
 
GLAGAZ
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:50 am

Its not that bad, the AGP flight was only 15 hours 9 minutes late arriving at GLABig grin

I imagine they just hope to have made up all the time lost by Friday, surely they should just try and charter another aircraft now to clear this backlog. GSM aircraft sit around at night doing nothing, get one of them on the job :P

Gaz
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 1):
Its not that bad, the AGP flight was only 15 hours 9 minutes late arriving at GLA

So it now has to fly back to EDI then fly back out to AGP then fly back to GLA, all in time for tomorow mornings GLA-ATH flight!  banghead  Ain't happening!
What an embarrassment they are, won't last much longer, apparently they can't even afford to charter an another aircraft to clear their never ending back log of flights...
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 2):
apparently they can't even afford to charter

Where did you get that tit-bit from....?
 
dogfighter2111
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:41 am

What I think they will end up doing is cancelling their CDG flights and re-book PAX on next available ones. That may help clear it all up.

Although, they must have a plan because on their website it says:

"Please note that all passengers travelling between Monday 17th October and Friday 21st October should contact our Customer Services Team on 0044 141 222 2362 to confirm their flight times."

Looking at the Dates above in bold suggests to me that they will ahve everything sorted out by Saturday.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 3):
Where did you get that tit-bit from....?

They've been running a 8-13 hour delay on all flights for the past few days with no sign of them catching up, so why haven't they?
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:07 am

All flights are being cancelled from the 15th November to the end of the month anyway, as the aircraft will be undergoing maintenance. If they can't get a replacement for that then they're not going to get one for a few delays.
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
All flights are being cancelled from the 15th November to the end of the month anyway, as the aircraft will be undergoing maintenance. If they can't get a replacement for that then they're not going to get one for a few delays.

Indeed they are, which is equally laughable.  Wink
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:32 am

They should drop all flights from EDI and focus on GLA.
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
They should drop all flights from EDI

haha, What flights?

We hardly see them in EDI anymore, it's like seeing a B747 in EDI. Very, Very rare.


I wonder if Air Scotland/Greece Airways will last to the end of the month. If they don't get another aircraft to replace the on going in for MX then i think it'll be the end of them. Not that they'll be missed much.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
They should drop all flights from EDI and focus on GLA.

That would be nice, would certainly save a lot of grief at EDI.
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:52 pm

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 10):
That would be nice, would certainly save a lot of grief at EDI.

It might help slightly but not greatly. What they really should do his scrap this whole 1 757 idea and get 2 smaller aicraft. Whether it be 737's, A320's, MD-82's I really don't care, they just can't go on like this.

Gaz
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:42 am

what ever happened to Air Scotlands L1011 supposed new service to the states? ..and with a Tristar, I knew that sounded too good to be true  Wink
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:22 am

The whole outfit is a shambles, I say let them sink and let flyglobespan fill the void!
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:46 am

It would be a shame to see them go under, but what an operation. Shambles! Running late due to the aircraft being impounded TWICE in the last week! Hasty messages put on the website asking people to re-confirm times! Closing your airline down to cover maintenance!

This Evening Times article http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5044630.html mentions a second aircraft is now being used. Any news on that? I would guess not seeing as they're still very behind and dont expect to be back to normal until Saturday. Wonder if the new owners are regretting it yet?
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:54 am

TBH, I was impressed they have even lasted this long. They did seem a shables, and then flyglobespan came along and wasted them on frequency, reliability and everything else!
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:20 am

The lastest on their website shows the GLA/EDI-ALC flight tomorrow as running on time and is not being affected by the delays. Have they eventually brought in another aircraft to cover?
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Alcregular (Reply 16):
Have they eventually brought in another aircraft to cover?

Looks like they are going to bring something in from tomorrow if that is to be believed, yeah. Long overdue now though!
I wonder what heap of junk they are going to bring in though!  Wow!  Wink
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 17):
I wonder what heap of junk they are going to bring in though!

A Viking Airlines MD83? lol
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:01 pm

They must have chartered something as there are two GRE flights at GLA that are showing as Gate Open to ALC and CDG. The Paris and Palma flights from yesterday/overnight seem to have been forgotten about as they are just showing a blank status on the BAA website. Looks like SX-BLW arrived from Athens at 8.10am this morning when it should have arrived at 4.10pm yesterday.

Anyone know what aircraft is helping them out?
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:14 pm

Its a Fischer Air Poland B757

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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:40 pm

It gets worse...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4353760.stm

[Edited 2005-10-18 16:43:39]
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
It gets worse...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...0.stm

Oh dear. Can you blame Fischer Air though? If I was doing anything for Air Scotland I'd certainly want up front payment! Current info:

Glasgow
05:25 GRE2118 PALMA (no expected)
08:10 GRE2211 ALICANTE GATE OPEN (Who is operating it now?)

Edinburgh
15:30 GRE2222 ALICANTE EXPECTED 0220
16:30 GRE2221 ALICANTE (At least 0300? - got to arrive first!)
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:58 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
It gets worse...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4353760.stm

What a joke! Someone pull the plug!
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:03 am

You'd have to be pretty mad to purchase tickets on this airline now.

Surely its game over?
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:34 am

They have now chartered an FCA 757 to op GLA-EDI-ALC.

Gaz
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 25):
They have now chartered an FCA 757 to op GLA-EDI-ALC

At last some better news! How come they found the money for First Choice but not Fischer Air?! Is it operating GLA-ALC-EDI-ALC-GLA or are the flights empty enough that it can get away with double drop GLA-EDI-ALC? That would save them some time.
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:55 am

This isn't great for Air Scotland's reputation in the market though. They are getting a lot of press coverage and people in my office now know about Air Scotland and its troubles from the news.

They did seem to recover from the launch fiasco (Electra Airlines), so you never know....

Jamie.
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 26):
At last some better news! How come they found the money for First Choice but not Fischer Air?! Is it operating GLA-ALC-EDI-ALC-GLA or are the flights empty enough that it can get away with double drop GLA-EDI-ALC? That would save them some time.

Not sure exactly of their timetable but I think all EDI flights originate in GLA. They only serve AGP and ALC from EDI.

Gaz
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 25):
They have now chartered an FCA 757 to op GLA-EDI-ALC.

Which would explain "GRE900" leaving MAN about 30 mins ago.

David
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 29):
Which would explain "GRE900" leaving MAN about 30 mins ago.

David

GRE505 would have been more appropriate.

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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 30):
GRE505 would have been more appropriate.

Hahaha! The usual flying is GLA-ALC-EDI-ALC-GLA, not sure what it'll do though. Depends how full the flights are.

They'll do well to recover from this one! They've put some rushed together "Updated Schedule" on their website. Doesn't seem to make much sense though. Guess their 757 is somewhere between GLA and Palma?

[Edited 2005-10-18 20:19:18]
 
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:44 am

Flight GLASGOW - PALMA DE MALLORCA Plane:757


Destination PALMA DE MALLORCA


Date 18/10/2005

Programmed time 18:00

Real time 19:01

Origin GLASGOW

________________________________________________________

GSM6120 FLYBLOBESPAN..... HA Blobespan :P


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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:11 am

05:25 GRE2118 PALMA EXPECTED 2209
00:00 GRE2212 ALICANTE (no expected time)

08:10 GRE2211 ALICANTE GATE CLOSED
22:45 GRE2221 ALICANTE GATE OPEN

Gaz
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RE: Air Scotland Operational Difficulties

Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:16 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4356204.stm

Looks like everything is settling down now. It is good that they are looking to expand, but we've heard this before so I guess its a case of wait and see.

Jamie.

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