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More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:32 am

Ok, ok, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I happen to catch Die Hard 2 on TV today. Yes, I know it's  vomit  but I needed a good aviation inspired laugh today.
Anyway, we all know the obvious gaffs, ie: the Pacific Bell telephone at IAD, the exploding Windsor 114 crash (even though it had barely any fuel), and Richard Thornburg doing his news report from the aft lav, with the phone UPSIDE DOWN!!!!  rotfl 
One new thing I noticed today, and it actually believable was the fact that the 747 that the terrorists were fleeing on was this a/c:
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I happened to catch the reg number in the film.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:52 am

Well that was just one of dozens of non reality aviation screw-up's in the movie...
-Sucking in a person has no effect on engine performance....
-There is no dump valve on the engine pylon....
-All those aircraft panicing trying to JUST get into IAD..? they could divert into one of a dozen of airports in the area.
-Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?
-An ejection seat in a C-123..?

were do we stop....
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:13 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
were do we stop....

Indeed!

We should start a list!  rotfl 

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?

That was my favorite, personally...the fuel is hard to ignite to begin with, let alone when it's cold, like say lying in a snow-covered runway. That must have been one hell of a scary Zippo. Of course, it was a terrorist Zippo, so maybe that helped.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:29 am

Don't forget the sewer drain on the runway when the terrorists plane was landing and where Bruce Willis climbed out of.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:36 am

My favourites are usually military ones, like the SAMs in Behind Enemy Lines with a 30 minute endurance, not to mention the fact that after missing the target, they were able to search for it & pick it up again. Whatever!
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:38 am

Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:45 am

What,nobody had a radio altimeter ?
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting Yegger (Reply 6):
Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???

Yep, that's the one!

I was amused at the fact that the Northeast L1011, coming from LAX-IAD had enough extra fuel to circle for 90 minutes! Hell, they could have diverted to ORD with that much fuel on board!  rotfl 

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:08 am

Or how about when they are fighting on the wing at the end, the a/c is supposed to be taxiing/taking off but the engines are not even running - just windmilling in the wind, and if they were taking off how would 2 unsecured human beings be able to stay on the cold slippery wing at speed.

And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 9):
And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.

I have to admit though, that the second plane to land at the end makes a way cool vortex through the smoke!  bigthumbsup 

But, what's with the emergency slide deployment at the very end? No fuel = no fire! Doh!

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:23 am

Why didn't Bruce just jump into an empty plane, get on the radio and tell everyone to land elsewhere. That question just repeated again and again in my head through out the whole movie. The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:38 am

Bruce Willis = Quality actor?

Av or non-av, that would be the most glaring on-screen anomaly for me.
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Thread starter):
One new thing I noticed today, and it actually believable was the fact that the 747 that the terrorists were fleeing on was this a/c:

I thought they blew that plane up in the move??

 duck   Wink
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:07 am

Hey, the way this movie went he should have flown up and lead them to safety.

How did the L1011 land in almost zero visibility, no ILS and no instruction from the tower, such as the altimeter etc?
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
thought they blew that plane up in the move??

Oh I don't think they blew that one up. They must have had a spare

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:22 am

All in all, I still found it to be a great movie!
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:40 am

How bout when the guy looks back at the wing from the captain's seat and sees Bruce Willis on the wing.

I've never sat in the left seat of a 747 before, is that even possible?
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:07 pm

Well if he can call his wife in the plane from the ground, anything is possible!
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
There is no dump valve on the engine pylon....

Thankfully.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
-Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?

Nice Picturisation though.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Don't forget the sewer drain on the runway when the terrorists plane was landing and where Bruce Willis climbed out of

 Smile

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:32 pm

was the plane Bruce ejected from supposed to be a 4 engined jet C-123?.......It still looked cool though!
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 11):
The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.

They -count- on it...  Wink
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:19 pm

What a horrible movie, even if you ignore the many airport/aircraft goofs.

I noticed tonight when the L-1011 "landed" they showed its crew tugging on a 4-engine throttle control...

The door the bad guy opened on the 747 to go after Bruce Willis was clearly a set piece. There were no latches on the door.

The "magic dial" was probably the best goof. Wouldn't they actually need to move the ILS towers for that?

During the scene when the terrorists first gain control of the tower and the people in the tower are running around trying to figure out what is going on you can see the city lights clearly in the distance. There was at least 20 miles visibility in a "blizzard".

When the Evergreen 747 blew up it was clearly a model.

Apparently every pilot in the Washington D.C. airspace at the time were complete morons.

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:30 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.

They -count- on it...

It's a stupid movie people... every movie is MADE-UP! It's called imagination. You think "normal" people have better things to do than worry about general aviation? There is a reason people on this site including myself are called A.nutters!

But it is always nice to read about all the blatant mistakes... so keep them coming  Smile
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:29 pm

An MP-5 SMG without a blank fireing adaptor won't produce enough chamber pressure to cycle the action. Therefore, you can't just switch magazines to go from blank fireing to live fire.

Oooppss.. that was a non-av flub.

ummm... think quick.... The FAA would have re-routed all inbound flights when IAD went off the air.... and even if you could (good lord how stupid) change and ILS glideslope that easy... the pilots would have noticed the new 13 degree glideslope  crazy 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:08 pm

Hollywood has been notorious in exaggerating information, or even blatant lies. It's a movie ... fiction ... dramatic license. Not every director (or writer) is factually correct all the time. It's fun though to see these "events" written into movies or TV. Just remember, it's Hollywood!
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:33 pm

Has somebody more information / photos about the models they have built for the movie?

They must have been rather big...


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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:13 pm

I believe that the EV 747 used in the movie was the same one that lost an engine after takeoff. Was it the same engine that the bad guy supposedly was sucked into?
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting Panther (Reply 20):
was the plane Bruce ejected from supposed to be a 4 engined jet C-123?.......It still looked cool though!

Nope, it was a two engined prop, the C-123 Provider. Flying one of those from somewhere in Latin America must have been pushing the envelope of it's range, don't you think?

All in all, I like Die Hard 2, even with all it's av-discrepancies.

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:26 pm

I actually think DH 2 should be classified as a comedy. You have no idea how many times I lmao through it! Actually, the silliest part was where the pilots of the Windsor plane flew it straight into the ground. I think a pilot in real life would have done it very slowly in such bad weather with some OTHER form of indication of altitude or glide slope. Also did you see the scene where everyone is fleeing the airport? There are a few actors just walking very slowly! It's hilarious! And the Pacific Bell blooper was funny enough to actually have the movie on a page of the USA Today in the entertainment section! Typical Hollywood film, no imagination! HA HA HA!
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:49 pm

Hey guys,

yes, the movie is full to the brim with these goofs, but all in all it's still pretty enjoyable! I did have one question though: Did Northeastern ever operate the Tristar? I'm asking this beacuse the other aircraft used in the movie seemed to have been kept in their owners colors during shooting (EV B741, TZ B722...etc). Any info would be very much appreciated!  

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:15 pm

Quoting Brick (Reply 22):
I noticed tonight when the L-1011 "landed" they showed its crew tugging on a 4-engine throttle control...

Maybe the 4th throttle control was for the APU!  rotfl 

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:41 pm

i still think it is a good movie. Because no action movie is anything like reality i want it to be unrealistic and as action as it can get.

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:45 pm

What I didn't understand in the movie is why all the aircraft were circling around an airport with no fuel instead of taking the initiative to land in another airport.
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:50 pm

Quoting 777DadandJr (Thread starter):
the exploding Windsor 114 crash (even though it had barely any fuel

Actually, the fuel fumes are more explosive than the fuel itself. Remember TWA Flight 800?
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:51 pm

Funny this thread should be here, I caught the last few minutes of it on TV last night...aside from all the nit-picking technical glitches...of which there are plenty, I noticed one thing that cracked me up.

When the NEA L-1011 with Bruce's wife on it is parked with emergency slides down and passengers are going down them, Bruce's wife blocks the exit straining her head to hear Hubby Bruce's plaintive screams for her. Any FA training clip I've ever seen has the FA's screaming MOVE MOVE MOVE or GO GO GO and hustling the pax down the slide at a very rapid clip.

Yet this heifer is allowed to stand in the doorway, blocking the exit for like 15-20 seconds while the FA behind her does NOTHING!

Ahhhhh, dramatic effect.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:51 pm

I much preferred Die Hard and Die Hard 3 to Die Hard 2.
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:57 pm

All of us at HA were watching really close at the end of the movie as the paint on the L-1011 was raining down like a waterfall and you could just make out that it was our own metal.Hated that plane...loved the rommy galley though.


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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:20 pm

I think the funniest part of that movie is seeing the janitor with his own little world of tunnels and blue prints under the Airport...Havnt seen that at SYD  laughing   laughing 
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:35 pm



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
I much preferred Die Hard and Die Hard 3 to Die Hard 2.

Preffered Part 1.

Quoting AussieA346 (Reply 38):
I think the funniest part of that movie is seeing the janitor with his own little world of tunnels and blue prints under the Airport

Any Airport have such Tunnels.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 17):
How bout when the guy looks back at the wing from the captain's seat and sees Bruce Willis on the wing.

I've never sat in the left seat of a 747 before, is that even possible?

maybe it had a glass cockpit?

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:53 pm

It appears it was a 747 cockpit they used for the NEA L1011
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:08 am

Die Hard 1 is a classic, DH2 kinda sucked (IMHO), and DH3 is by far my favorite. The cheap shots and constant harrassment between Sam Jackson and Bruce Willis is hilarious.

As for DH2, remember it's a MOVIE, not a documentary - so there will be tons of errors!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 15):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
thought they blew that plane up in the move??

Oh I don't think they blew that one up. They must have had a spare

I was watching this on FX and they daid that they were models they used to simulate the L-1011 flying and the two planes exploding. They used different places to film the different scenes

I liked it when bruce had said he would give the janitor a lining for his coat if he showed him the tunnels and where they lead to.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:47 am

Look, this movie obviously had many mistakes but its still one of the best Hollywood airplane movies. Atleast it had a good story and content. How many aviation movies you come accross while flipping the channel do you actually watch? Executive Decision? Air Force One? Everytime I come accross die hard 2 once in a while I stop and watch the whole thing, because it's still a good story.
 
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:49 am

I think your all 'sad', I thought and still do think that Die Hard 2 is brilliant, if the film was left up to you, we would all fall asleep!, yes there are things that would never happen, but your forgetting one thing............


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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Lewis (Reply 33):
What I didn't understand in the movie is why all the aircraft were circling around an airport with no fuel instead of taking the initiative to land in another airport.

As dispatchers, we would have diverted them long before they got into emergency situations...

Based on an assumed true airspeed of 450 kts., here's a radius-of-action map of 1, 2, and 3 hrs. flying time from IAD... There loads of places to have diverted, but of course, that would have detracted from the movie's plot (such as it was)...

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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:55 am

Yeah, that would have made a great film...

Terrorists: We now control the entire airport's electronic guidance measures
Airport: Ok.
Approach: All aircraft on this frequency, we are closed. Please divert to your alternate airports.
Bruce: "I think I'll grab a cup of coffee."
Movie: Over.
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Leigh pilgrim (Reply 45):
I think your all 'sad', I thought and still do think that Die Hard 2 is brilliant, if the film was left up to you, we would all fall asleep!, yes there are things that would never happen, but your forgetting one thing............


ITS ONLY A FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Easy there....

I think we realize it's a film, and an enjoyable one at that. But it is fun to criticize it. Fun, you do know what that is don't you?
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RE: More "Die Hard 2" Observations

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:38 am

Quoting MrMcCoy (Reply 47):
Terrorists: We now control the entire airport's electronic guidance measures
Airport: Ok.
Approach: All aircraft on this frequency, we are closed. Please divert to your alternate airports.
Bruce: "I think I'll grab a cup of coffee."
Movie: Over.

LMAO! I've had a rough few days and that really cheered me up Big grin
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