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EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:32 am

Now that EK has received all of their 10 A340-500's, they can't say they don't have the planes to fly ultra long haul.

I mean... they still say they lack planes, which mean than they have to use the 345's in average routes... so they have to receive more 77W's and maybe even some 346HGW's to be able to "free" the 345's from the medium/long haul routes to the planed ultra long haul flights to west coast USA and south america.

But for now, what are the 10 EK 345's doing?
Does anyone has a schedulle for this planes or something?

I know that they fly to JFK, ZRH, SYD and MEL I think... how many are used in these routes? Not all of them for sure...


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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:59 pm

You are forgetting that they fly from Sydney to Christchurch and Melbourne to Auckland and they will be flying them to Perth this season too I believe. Also, don't they fly them to KIX?
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:20 pm

Seems from the Northern Winter schedules starting October 30th they will fly.

DXB-JFK 2x daily 4 aircraft
DXB-MEL-AKL daily 2 aircraft
DXB-SYD-CHC daily 2 aircraft
DXB-KIX daily 1 aircraft
DXB-ZRH 5x weekly 1 aircraft

So it seems that all these aircraft are used, although I think on all those routes they could use the 773ER. I guess once they have more aircraft like 773ER and the A380's start arriving they will free up A345's to open up ULH routes to US West coast and South America.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 1):
and they will be flying them to Perth this season too I believe.

The second PER flight was scheduled as a 345 but has been delayed, I believe due to a lack of aircraft, or was it even that they have used all there current landing rights in Australia?
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:07 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
DXB-ZRH 5x weekly 1 aircraft

I've seen them at ZRH (and they look great) but I've never understood why they need such a capable plane on what is not a long flight. Anyone know?
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:25 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
or was it even that they have used all there current landing rights in Australia?

Nope, EK have the rights to operate 49pw to Australia. They still have 7 freq remaining, and can choose to operate to either PER or BNE.

at the moment....
SYD 14pw
MEL 14pw
PER 7pw
BNE 7pw

SYD and MEL are capped at 14pw at the moment.

EK will overcome this by putting on the A380, as the BASA does not stipulate capacity limits, just frequency.
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
DXB-JFK 2x daily 4 aircraft
DXB-MEL-AKL daily 2 aircraft
DXB-SYD-CHC daily 2 aircraft
DXB-KIX daily 1 aircraft
DXB-ZRH 5x weekly 1 aircraft



Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I've seen them at ZRH (and they look great) but I've never understood why they need such a capable plane on what is not a long flight. Anyone know?

I always wondered the same, but this thread gave me an idea: They have 10 A345s now, and they are all in use, no backup a/c for mx or unforeseen events. Maybe the plane to ZRH IS the backup and can be replaced by a 772ER or a A343 if necessary. Any thoughts?

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 5):
Any thoughts?

Could well be. It would make sense since they really don't need an A345 on this route. But if they do have a spare 777 that could do the route, why not use it all the time and keep the A345 back? Are they still training up crews and need to utilise these planes as much as possible? Whatever, the reason, I hope they don't pull them off the ZRH route before I have a chance to fly on one!
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:54 pm

Well they are talking of services to canada sometime next year and most probably they are direct which means that a A340-500 will be used, where are they planning to get that from?
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
Seems from the Northern Winter schedules starting October 30th they will fly.

DXB-JFK 2x daily 4 aircraft
DXB-MEL-AKL daily 2 aircraft
DXB-SYD-CHC daily 2 aircraft
DXB-KIX daily 1 aircraft
DXB-ZRH 5x weekly 1 aircraft

Thanks for the info!  Smile

As for the ZRH "mistery", I've read a thread in here, a while ago, that said EK was using the 345 to ZRH because some swiss company had reserved 1st class seats for a long period of time on the 345's.

That company should need frequent flights to DXB, and instead of sending a private jet they would send their people on the 345's first class which is superb!

And that would be he reason why EK operates he 345's to ZRH(because no other aircrafts have that fantastic 1st class).

Don't know if this is true though...
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 8):
As for the ZRH "mistery", I've read a thread in here, a while ago, that said EK was using the 345 to ZRH because some swiss company had reserved 1st class seats for a long period of time on the 345's.

That company should need frequent flights to DXB, and instead of sending a private jet they would send their people on the 345's first class which is superb!

And that would be he reason why EK operates he 345's to ZRH(because no other aircrafts have that fantastic 1st class).

Don't know if this is true though...

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:26 am

There are unconfirmed reports that they will launch 3x weekly DXb YYZ service in the 345s, and maybe daily after that. Word has been for a long time they want daily to YYZ but perhaps they are willing to settle for 3x week for now.
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:22 am

I was wondering if the second daily flight to JFK would be flown by the B777-300ER? Emirates stated the delay in starting their second daily to JFK was because of the delays at Boeing in receiving more B777-300ERs. Of course this could also mean that they need to keep that second A340-500 on one of those SYD flights until more B777-300ERs arrive.
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 1):
Also, don't they fly them to KIX?

Yes, I flew out of there this June. When we were departing KIX, I saw an EK345 parked at the spot and when I came back to Japan from Australia. I saw an EK A332 parked at the gate. Strange........

BTW, why does EK have that super long ground time in KIX? Is there a reason to that? Crew Rest?
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 12):
BTW, why does EK have that super long ground time in KIX? Is there a reason to that? Crew Rest?

Nope... connections to/from Europe and north africa...

flights from Europe to DXB arrive between 23.00 and 01.30 and connect with:
2:50a DXB 1 4:40p KIX EK 316 Non-stop 345 8:50

11:15p KIX 5:55a+1 DXB 1 EK 317 Non-stop 345 11:40
this connects with flights departing dxb for europe between 07.00 and 09.30.

ps. 6 hrs ground time is nothing! EK has ground time of 18 hrs in MEL to ensure connectivity...

2:45a DXB 1 1:15a+1 MEL 2 EK 404 1-Stop 773 15:30
8:30p MEL 2 5:45a+1 DXB 1 EK 405 1-Stop 773 16:15

Note similar arrival/departure time to KIX service
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 11):
I was wondering if the second daily flight to JFK would be flown by the B777-300ER?

No it will be an A345 service! They need more 773ER's for other routes, not entirerly sure where yet, but they are getting 30 of them so I guess we can expect more new route announcements soon.

Wonder if DXB-AKL non stop is still in the plans? This would be an A345 route.
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
Wonder if DXB-AKL non stop is still in the plans? This would be an A345 route.

This sector is 8824mi (or 7668nm) - is this possible for the A345?

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:16 pm

Why don't you try a search on there website???

They also fly to ZRH now.

http://www.emirates.com/a340/range.asp?menuSelect=6



[Edited 2005-10-18 08:18:32]
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:33 pm

Appraently the UAE-Canada bilateral has been modified to allow both Etihad and EK into YYZ and in return AC to DXB and F5F on to Pakistan.

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:39 pm

The B777-300ER will most likely take over one of the JFK daily flights from Summer 2006 onwards, thereby freeing up 2x A345. My sense is that these aircraft will be used to start South America flights and/or Canadian services. Additional A345s may get freed up enabling improvement of frequencies as Emirates deploy the B77W on the non-stop Australia services.

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Thanks for the heads up on the amendment to the UAE-Canada bilateral. Have they by any chance increased the entitlements for the carriers - or at least a provision to allow them to increase their frequencies ? I would assume each carrier is allowed 3x weekly flights ?

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:46 pm

While you are about Emirates777. Any news on the expansion of Australia and NZ flights? Other than what you said about 77W's maybe on the non stop SYD and MEL services.
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:10 pm

Speaking of EK, I wonder has the airline seriously looked at buying the 777-200LR? Given the plane's commonality with the 777-300ER's EK ordered, it would allow the airline to fly more really long routes in the future (I can see EK fly DXB-LAX using the 772LR).
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
Speaking of EK, I wonder has the airline seriously looked at buying the 777-200LR? Given the plane's commonality with the 777-300ER's EK ordered, it would allow the airline to fly more really long routes in the future (I can see EK fly DXB-LAX using the 772LR).

DXB-LAX will happen... sooner or later... but they already have the 345's to do it.  Wink

There's virtually no route(realistic route at least) out of the 345's range from DXB.... so they don't need the 772LR for the range alone... but the may/will probably buy it, to have more ULR aircrafts.

PS: MEX-DXB probably wouldn't be possible, because of MEX being hot and high. Don't know if a 772LR could do it either...
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 15):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
Wonder if DXB-AKL non stop is still in the plans? This would be an A345 route.

This sector is 8824mi (or 7668nm) - is this possible for the A345?

Can't see it - SQ does SIN-EWR at 8285 nm - so technically it is feasible - but the yield on SIN-EWR is ( I would imagine largely in USD ) a helluva lot better than that on DXB-AKL ( in South Pacific Pesos ...ooops , I mean NZD)

Also EK's AKL and CHC flights are more a means of getting the a/c off the aprons in SYD/MEL/BNE thus avoiding hefty charges than of earning revenue in their own right . EK have talked a lot about DXB-AKL nonstop happening eventually - but I am not holding my breath waiting
 
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
flights from Europe to DXB arrive between 23.00 and 01.30 and connect with:
2:50a DXB 1 4:40p KIX EK 316 Non-stop 345 8:50

11:15p KIX 5:55a+1 DXB 1 EK 317 Non-stop 345 11:40
this connects with flights departing dxb for europe between 07.00 and 09.30.

How come the westbound trip takes nearly 3 hours longer than the eastbound? Are headwinds that strong across Asia?

I have flown Asia-Europe many times, and the westbound sectors took about one hour more than the eastbound ones...
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RE: EK 345's Routes

Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 18):
Thanks for the heads up on the amendment to the UAE-Canada bilateral. Have they by any chance increased the entitlements for the carriers - or at least a provision to allow them to increase their frequencies ? I would assume each carrier is allowed 3x weekly flights ?

You're spot on with the 3x weekly. The small problem is that AC are pushing for 5th freedom right to other Middle East destinations ex DXB and that is proving sticky. Further to this problem for AC is that their 340s are already working very hard on other important routes, so we'll have to wait and see.

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RE: EK 345's Routes

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 22):
Also EK's AKL and CHC flights are more a means of getting the a/c off the aprons in SYD/MEL/BNE thus avoiding hefty charges than of earning revenue in their own right . EK have talked a lot about DXB-AKL nonstop happening eventually - but I am not holding my breath waiting

Not to mention freight! I am surprised we have never seen an EK 744F in AKL.

DXB-AKL gives a 1 stop to Europe and EK are becoming more known in NZ, there was talk of an AKL-SIN-DXB service aswell.

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