joshdean
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Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:36 pm

Has this ever happened? I know baggage handlers in this country are notorious for being rough with baggage, but has it ever got to the point where a bag has been accidentally left on the tarmac then an aircraft has rolled over it?
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:03 pm

That just isn't possible unless the bag is purposely put behind the gear. You may think rampers are stupid but no airline would push a plane over an item its a dangerous thing to do, not to mention a flight crew won't taxi if they see a bag.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:30 pm

There have been cases of refueling lorries crushing baggage or other trucks and airport cars doing the same, but I don’t think an airplane has ever managed to...
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:31 am

I have seen luggages falling from the top of belt conveyors feeding ac (you hope there was no Chinese ware in them Smile), I have seen luggages falling off luggage trolleys in sharp turns on the tarmac, I have also seen once a luggage truck nearly running over a piece of luggage set on the tarmac, but never a plane being involved.
If there is a piece of luggage abandoned close to an ac before departure, either a ramper, the push truck driver or the dispatcher would spot it immediately.
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:46 am

that wouldnt happen would it?
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 3):
I have seen luggages falling from the top of belt conveyors feeding ac (you hope there was no Chinese ware in them ), I have seen luggages falling off luggage trolleys in sharp turns on the tarmac, I have also seen once a luggage truck nearly running over a piece of luggage set on the tarmac, but never a plane being involved.

And I've seen luggages falling from an MD83 rear hold after take off.The aircraft took off with the cargo door opened  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:14 am

Darn, I thought it was a chock.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 1):
That just isn't possible unless the bag is purposely put behind the gear.

Um... may I ask why not? Maybe it fell out of a cart out on the tarmac while it was dark out and an a/c didn't see it and taxied over it? Not all bags are big and orange, I can easily see how that would happen.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:10 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
Um... may I ask why not? Maybe it fell out of a cart out on the tarmac while it was dark out and an a/c didn't see it and taxied over it? Not all bags are big and orange, I can easily see how that would happen.

Wait a minute, if it was dark out, wouldn't the a/c have some lights on? I know all our planes taxi out with the nose light on when it's dark.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting MQrampBOS (Reply 8):
Wait a minute, if it was dark out, wouldn't the a/c have some lights on? I know all our planes taxi out with the nose light on when it's dark.

They dont have a reversing light for pushback though.

I once saw a bag dropped from a luggage cart at FCO. The next little buggy thing to scoot past picked it up. I wonder if it got to its owner ok mind!
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting MQrampBOS (Reply 8):
Wait a minute, if it was dark out, wouldn't the a/c have some lights on? I know all our planes taxi out with the nose light on when it's dark.

Yeah, the nose light illuminates the ground directly in front of the plane. Perhaps the bag was outboard and got hit by a main tire? Pilots wouldn't see that if they were watching a marshaller, for example.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:37 am

Quoting Rwy32R (Reply 5):
And I've seen luggages falling from an MD83 rear hold after take off.The aircraft took off with the cargo door opened

Damn.....thats a good one........I know of several carriers where this type of thing could definitely happen........I've had to run alongside as a few birds were leaving the ramp to let them know that a pit door was still open or in the case of one operator, that he still had a tail post hooked up to the underside of the fuselage.
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:54 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 1):
That just isn't possible unless the bag is purposely put behind the gear.

Um... may I ask why not? Maybe it fell out of a cart out on the tarmac while it was dark out and an a/c didn't see it and taxied over it? Not all bags are big and orange, I can easily see how that would happen.

Well because any one with eyes will see a bag on the ground, its not hard to miss when the wing walkers and other rampers around have eyes. Once you pull away the beltloaders and such a bag on the ground will stick out like an eye sore. Airplanes are marshalled in (or in the case of the automated systems), rampers are around waiting for the plane to park anyhow, so a bag sitting on the ramp sticks out very well. Or in the case of a bag being dropped on the ramp else where or on the tug road you'll still see it because unless the area is well lit, crews usually taxi with their taxi light on. There is no way for a plane to run over a bag unless people don't care what happens to their airplane.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
They dont have a reversing light for pushback though.



Quoting N766UA (Reply 10):
Pilots wouldn't see that if they were watching a marshaller, for example.

As skywayex ramper said, wingwalkers would see it all - thats their job, to make sure that nothing is in the aircraft clearance zone. If they miss that then they should go work over at D-52  duck   Silly. Ive had crews stop because of things such as fueler's gloves, old bag tags, and bags blowing across the ramp, i highly doubt they would go bouding over a 22'. Its not likely to happen. Ever.
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:50 pm




Personally, I think it would be decidedly cool to have a leather suitcase with 737 tire tracks across it.




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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:37 pm

Quoting Rwy32R (Reply 5):
And I've seen luggages falling from an MD83 rear hold after take off.The aircraft took off with the cargo door opened

I bet the heads were a-flyin after that debocle

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
Personally, I think it would be decidedly cool to have a leather suitcase with 737 tire tracks across it.

as would i. tire tracks add style to anything. just look at how cool runways and 4-way intersections look =)
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:50 pm

Was IN a shuttle bus at JFK that ran over at least 2 pcs. of luggage.

One time on a US Air stop in IND, a kennel went off the end of the conveyer and popped open. This little Pomeranian or Chi Tsu fur ball dog took 20 minutes to recapture. Man, that was a riot to watch!
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:54 pm

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 16):
One time on a US Air stop in IND, a kennel went off the end of the conveyer and popped open. This little Pomeranian or Chi Tsu fur ball dog took 20 minutes to recapture. Man, that was a riot to watch!

Hopefully that was before 9/11. If that happened these days the TSA would probably evacuate the terminal, citing that "a terrorist got through"!
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:57 pm

Well, I think in the end we have established that it would be next to impossible for anyone to allow an aircraft to roll over a piece of luggage. It could seriously damage an aircraft. I have seen an aircraft roll over a bottle of water once that was in advertantly left near the rear of the mains but other than that nothing.

I have personally seen some baggage handling errors, and believe me they do not go unpunished. If a bag arrives on a flight, even in ATL, there is a name attached to the responsibility of that bag. I have seen people forget to close there cart curtains and bags fall out. Some curtains are ripped or torn and bags would "slip" out. I have seen a bag slip out and get dragged from the ramp to the bag room trainling clothes and everything as the bag desintigraged. He paid dearly for that and almost lost his jobs.

Some times people have rolled carts.

I was driving from A concourse to E concourse in ATL with a full load of International bags. I had a cart full of various International flights and was towing a LD2 container full of Manchester bags. I was driving between A and B when a 757 was just cleared to taxi, and the pilots decided to give it a little thrust insted of letting it idle out. Well, I was about 300 feet behind the aircraft when he began to power up. I knew this was going to be bad and worse when I saw out the corner of my eye my bag cart swinging around to the side. Well story short my car flipped with some 30 bags of international luggage right infront of the mezanine window to the show of passengers eating their Popeyes chicken. the LD2 container in tow actually stayed on its cart and remained 4 wheels down, but twisted the crap out of the tongue. What pissed me off more than anything was that everyone was driving around me and not helping. I ran to the nearest gate and stole a belt loader and when I got back had at least 4 people there waiting to help me finally. We got the cart upright and i drove it to the Echo Concourse. I thought I was going to get chewed out, but my boss came up, asked if I was all right, and said becareful, but he knew it wasn't my fault. I was relieved. So that was my story Big grin
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:26 pm

I think the Possibility would be remote.
A Taxing Aircraft would stop prior to striking the bag.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:33 pm

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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 18):
Some times people have rolled carts.

HEHE..yep at MKE there is an battle between YX/SYX and DL for who can roll the most carts. If I remember correctly YX/SYX is winning by 1. Big grin Somthing like 4-3.
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:04 pm

LOL SKYEX!!! While i was at KORF, we had a ramp guy roll 4 cargo carts full of mail. One of them was neatly stacked with mail flats. The cart must have weighed about 2 tons. It took us 2 hours to clean up the mess. Oh well, he got suspended 2 days without pay for it.
 
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RE: Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi

Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 22):

Wow...2 days only...up here its a 3 day.
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