WDBRR
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SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:54 am

Here is a thought.... since there is a big PR debate between Southwest and American over the Wright Admendment, doesn't American Airlines house and maintain SWA's internal reservations system? read somewhere it's a modified version of the original Braniff Cowboy system that American purchased after Braniff shut down in 1982. Is this true? if so, isn't there any concerns of bookings being monitored or manipulations being done by AA? Read somewhere that AA blocked seats on Braniff I to show flights full and then went out empty. didn't Legend Airlines use Sabre for their in-house reservations and there was some monitoring done by AA too.
 
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting WDBRR (Thread starter):
Read somewhere that AA blocked seats on Braniff I to show flights full and then went out empty.

This is true. Both of my parents worked for Braniff 1 & 2. We had family that worked in middle management for AA and he confirmed it as well. This is just the tip of the iceberg for dirty tricks by AA.
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AirScoot
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:22 am

WN uses SAAS - Braniff's legacy system. While the system is data hosted by SABRE it's not a part of SABRE. SABRE does the support for it - that's about it. Also SABRE was spun off of AMR several years ago and is now it's own corporate entity. While the relationship is still in place the interaction between the two companies is nowhere near what it was in the 80's.

SABRE is partitioned by carrier and AA only has access to the other carrier partitions that it has agreements for.
 
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:28 am

The core of WN's res system is the old Braniff I Cowboy system, but I doubt any original BN employee would recognize or be able to operate it now. AA, however, has nothing to do with it anymore. AA spun off SABRE (the CRS Marketing Arm), SCS (the CRS development & maint. arm) into a seperate company called SABRE Holdings around 1996. AA still owns substantial stock in SABRE Holdings, but I don't believe they have over 50%. In addittion, when SABRE Holdings sold the SABRE system hardware to EDS along with a long term contract to operate the data center, I belive the day to day operation of the WN res system went with it (but someone would have to verify that part). SABRE and WN are still working together to develop their next generation of Res and Pax controll systems, but again, in no relation to AA.
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AirScoot
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
In addittion, when SABRE Holdings sold the SABRE system hardware to EDS along with a long term contract to operate the data center, I belive the day to day operation of the WN res system went with it (but someone would have to verify that part).

They do still handle it and, in fact, resigned.

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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:45 am

AA has absolutely nothing to do with SABRE anymore. They don't own it, nor control it, and have no say in it. They pay a license fee to SABRE for each key transaction just like every other SABRE CRS/departure control user.
 
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:53 am

Besides, companies IT operations are much more advanced these days and any company with a network security staff worth it's salt would see any breakin from a competitor. With computer crime laws being what they are, no way that AA could get away with the kind of shenagians they did with BN.
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Thread starter):
isn't there any concerns of bookings being monitored or manipulations being done by AA?

First of all, neither American or AMR own SABRE anymore. It was spun-off as years ago.

Furthermore, bias has been eliminated from these systems.

And you can bet that Southwest has systems in place that would catch such activity immediately.
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lincoln
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RE: SWA Reservation System

Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:11 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
Furthermore, bias has been eliminated from these systems

And, IIRC, there is a permanant injunction in place prohibiting, among other things, AMR/American Airlines, Inc. from doing anything to create bias in the future (if you have access to Lexis, see in re Air Passanger Computer Reservation Systems Antitrust Litigation if I'm not mistaken--but it has been awhile since I've read on the subject)

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