planemannyc
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Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:56 am

Currently, there are no LGW-JFK service (LGW-EWR, yes, but not LGW-JFK). Instead of STN, would it not have been better to have LGW-JFK service instead? I thought STN is more for LCC's? Having never flown through STN, I can't really say, but I had heard it is harder to get to than LHR or LGW? Or is STN closer to London's business district?

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dogfighter2111
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:09 am

It probably would be a good idea, but there is a matter of Landing costs etc.

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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:13 am

Gatwick is 1/2 hour out of London from Victoria station. Victoria is convenient for Belgravia/Chelsea/West End areas, but Stanstead is connected to a station very near the Financial center, "the City". I think the Stanstead Express leaves from Liverpool St. Station, so it is actually more convenient for the bankers and lawyers EOS is trying to attract.

Although STN is geared towards LCCs, I have flown out of the airport several times, and I found it to be an easy airport to pass through. I believe EOS has a lounge for it's passengers, so the LCC aspect is sort of moot. Furthermore, perhaps EOS and Maxjet are trying to differentiate themselves from established carriers by flying out of an airport that no one else uses from the US...
 
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:49 pm

If I am not mistaken, isn't JFK-LGW by non-Heathrow carriers Bermuda II-restricted, therefore no Delta on JFK-LGW?
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willyj
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
If I am not mistaken, isn't JFK-LGW by non-Heathrow carriers Bermuda II-restricted, therefore no Delta on JFK-LGW?

I think you are right. So, yet another reason why they chose STN!

In which country are EOS and Maxjet based?
 
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 4):
In which country are EOS and Maxjet based?

US based airlines.
 
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 2):
Gatwick is 1/2 hour out of London from Victoria station. Victoria is convenient for Belgravia/Chelsea/West End areas, but Stanstead is connected to a station very near the Financial center, "the City". I think the Stanstead Express leaves from Liverpool St. Station, so it is actually more convenient for the bankers and lawyers EOS is trying to attract.

I may be way off on this, but I thought that the Thameslink runs from the heart of the financial district to LGW.

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N770WD
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:07 am

You're all right...

At least for MAXjet, there were several reasons to start at Stansted. The most important ones include Bermuda II's restrictions, available slots, available facilities and the cost of doing business at Gatwick. Stansted brings a unique catchment area, reasonable costs and excellent facilities (the MAXjet lounge is the former SAS lounge, overlooking the runway and other satellites).

The availability at STN of connecting flights to European cities and cargo capabilities also matter for the MAXjet business model, though maybe not for the Eos model.
 
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RE: Eos / MAXjet: Why Not Fly LGW-JFK?

Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:10 am

FYI Gatwick is 97% full slotwise. It's impossible to obtain good slots at close to reasonable price.

Also congestion is an issue. Today's stansted has little congestion at non-LCC-peak times. It is ear-marked for expansion (first phase with new RAT/RET and taxiway extension to be built in 1/2 years). Gatwick on the other hand cannot expand for another 10 years.

Then there is competition issues. Gatwick is well served to the Greater New York area airports. Most premium traffic does not go thru there but Heathrow. There is nothing to fight over for there and no unserved premium market near by. Stansted is easily reached from Canary Wharf (huge expanding gold mine) which is too far from Heathrow and Gatwick unless by helicopters. There is also a technology circle around Cambridge. These are all potential customers they can steal from BA/VS/AA/UA/DL/NW/etc.

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