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GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:47 am

This is huge!

The Airports Council International recently released the top 100 Airports list for 2004, and GRU ranked as the 84th largest airport in the world, in terms of passenger traffic.

Here´s the top five and their astounding numbers:

1) ATL - 83.606.583M
2) ORD - 75.533.822M
3) LHR - 67.344.054M
4) HND - 62.291.405 M
5) LAX - 60.688.609M

IN LATAM, only 3 airports were in the list:

1) MEX - 22.994.043M
2) GRU - 13.880.606M (was 84th in 2003, and remained 84th in 2004)
3) CGH - 13.726.961M (was 88th in 2003 and went up to 86th in 2004)  Cool

If anyone´s noticed, adding up traffic volume of both GRU and CGH would result in over 27M , thus placing Sao Paulo on top of MEX and ahead of SYD, ranking 32nd in the world´s list!!!  birthday 

That certainly says something about this country, huh?

A message to los hermanos Argentinos: hay que seguir luchando para llegar alli!  biggrin 

Cheers,

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:50 am

Once again.. Atlanta Hartsfield dominates  Wink
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:09 pm

SAO is going up to 30K by years end. Write down what I'm saying!

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:22 pm

ATL? I know DL is quite big, and that ATL is by far their main hub, but still... I was convinced that LHR was ranking 1st... Maybe it's LON and its five (5) airfields which dominates as a city...

Do you have a web link for that list?
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
A message to los hermanos Argentinos: hay que seguir luchando para llegar alli!

Well, if Argentina had 190 million inhabitants they would certainly be higher than Sao Paulo in that ranking.  box 
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:17 pm

... Once the new LCC´s that are mushrooming in Mexico establish an adequate marketbase and achieve some 70pc PLF, I would like to estimate a dramatic increase in pax numbers for MEX and other airports in the next five years.

With the introduction of T2 at MEX in 2006, the " Benito Juarez International " could easily be handling 30 to 33 million pax by the year 2010.

... It´s going to be the never ending MEX-SAO duel !

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:29 pm

Tks for the very informative post.

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
IN LATAM, only 3 airports were in the list:

1) MEX - 22.994.043M
2) GRU - 13.880.606M (was 84th in 2003, and remained 84th in 2004)
3) CGH - 13.726.961M (was 88th in 2003 and went up to 86th in 2004)

Very impressive numbers for SAO (GRU+CGH) and MEX. BSB or GIG would certainly come in the list next year as 4th.

Rgs,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:10 pm

Please, where's the source I can't find it on their website. I have been looking for this data for over a year, PLEASE, a source, thanks

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:32 pm

Hardiwv,

AMS is ranked 9th, with 42.541.180M passengers in 2004, and in Europe it´s only behind LHR, CDG (51.260.363M) and FRA (51.098.271M).

What´s really interesting is that the gap between CDG and FRA is not so big whereas between FRA (8th) and AMS (9th) there´s an almost 9M difference.

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Intothinair
Reply 7, posted Thu Oct 20 2005 10:10:55 UTC+2 and read 39 times:


Please, where's the source I can't find it on their website. I have been looking for this data for over a year, PLEASE, a source, thanks

I got this information from the September´s issue of Airliner World magazine. I also tried to find it on their webpage ( http://www.aci-europe.org/ - media room) but one must be a journalist  biting  to get a password to have access to the data. So, it´s now up to you to figure out what´s the easiest way to get it.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:03 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
A message to los hermanos Argentinos

It was not a kind comment!   

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 8):
What´s really interesting is that the gap between CDG and FRA is not so big whereas between FRA (8th) and AMS (9th) there´s an almost 9M difference.

And, as far as O&D is concerned, CDG still ranks ahead of AMS and FRA.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 5):
With the introduction of T2 at MEX in 2006, the " Benito Juarez International " could easily be handling 30 to 33 million pax by the year 2010.

I can't wait to see tonight MEX airport documentary, at discovery!   

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
ATL? I know DL is quite big, and that ATL is by far their main hub, but still.

I just looked for Atlanta city's population and got astonished, in comparing with the airport movement.   

Population of the City of Atlanta:

[Edited 2005-10-20 13:07:55]
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:31 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 8):
but one must be a journalist to get a password to have access to the data. So, it´s now up to you to figure out what´s the easiest way to get it.

I had a funny feeling that this would happen, could you be kind enough to tell me where Jakarta(CGK), DPS and KUL rank and how many million pax. they have, Unfortunately I can only view the top 30 largest airports on Earth.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers, Konstantin G
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 8):
AMS is ranked 9th, with 42.541.180M passengers in 2004, and in Europe it´s only behind LHR, CDG (51.260.363M) and FRA (51.098.271M).



Quoting PPSMA (Reply 8):
What´s really interesting is that the gap between CDG and FRA is not so big whereas between FRA (8th) and AMS (9th) there´s an almost 9M difference.

Correct, AMS is the 4th busiest airport in Europe, but in quality level AMS is the best airport in Europe (together with CPH and MUC) and much superior to its competitors CDG, FRA and LHR.

Rgs,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:17 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Correct, AMS is the 4th busiest airport in Europe, but in quality level AMS is the best airport in Europe (together with CPH and MUC) and much superior to its competitors CDG, FRA and LHR.

 thumbsup 

Couldn't agree more. What a difference to connect internationally from AMS compared to LHR or FRA. I like MUC though, with that cool design and neatness. I think MUC has a lot of potential to grow, it might surprise some in the future.

Cheers

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:22 pm

Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
If anyone´s noticed, adding up traffic volume of both GRU and CGH would result in over 27M , thus placing Sao Paulo on top of MEX and ahead of SYD, ranking 32nd in the world´s list!!!

That certainly says something about this country, huh?

Nice to see that we are now comparing what aiports are the best in terms of passenger movements.

What are the combined figures for:

Milan - Bergamo, Linate, Malpensa
London - Gatwick, Heathrow, City, Stansted
Paris - Orly, Charles de Gaulle
New York - Newark, La Guardia, JFK
Dallas - Ft. Worth, Love
Los Angeles - Ontario, Orange County, Burbank, LAX, Long Beach
Tokyo - Narita, Haneda

KAHALA777

[Edited 2005-10-20 14:22:45]
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:26 pm

...and you should also combine EZE with AEP in Buenos Aires!

Rgs,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:49 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 4):
Well, if Argentina had 190 million inhabitants they would certainly be higher than Sao Paulo in that ranking.

I didn´t know São Paulo had 190 million inhabitants... There are other airports in Brazil as well, just check.  Smile
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:08 pm

In Airline Business Magazine, June 2005:

Paris = 74 893 000 passengers
CDG = 50 861 000 passengers
ORY = 24 032 000 passengers

FRA= 51 098 000 passengers
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 15):
I didn´t know São Paulo had 190 million inhabitants... There are other airports in Brazil as well, just check.

 rotfl 

In fact, there is no correlation between population size and airport traffic. Look at the exemples of Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai to name just a few; or even AMS and FRA. On the contrary, if we would follow your reasoning the biggest airport in the world would not be ATL but (in order) NRT, MEX, DEL and ICN!

Rgs,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:32 pm

Just side note:

When you are comparing populations, don't go by the City Population. That only includes people residing INSIDE the City Limits. Its better to take a look at the population of the Metro Area. That includes all the suburbs and piggyback cities that grow off of the major city.

Atlanta's City Population is 430,000 People
Atlatna's Metro Population is roughly 4,247,981 People.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Metropolitan_Area

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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:37 pm

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 9):
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
ATL? I know DL is quite big, and that ATL is by far their main hub, but still.

I just looked for Atlanta city's population and got astonished, in comparing with the airport movement.

Population of the City of Atlanta:

Well, it's more than that considering the whole Metro area. But in anyways, ATL's number is due to connections, certainly not entirely to O&D.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
BSB or GIG would certainly come in the list next year as 4th.

Don't be so sure. SJU (11m) and CUN (10m) handled more traffic than BSB (9.9m) or GIG (6.5) in 2004 and there is no reason to think that CUN will stop growing. There is a huge gap between GIG and BSB, even BOG (7.6) is currently larger than GIG. Despite the tremendous growth that GIG could see during 2005, I do not expect it to overcome SJU or CUN, may be only BOG.

So, Hardiwv,my recommendation as always, do not think that the world reduces to Brazil.  Wink
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 20):
There is a huge gap between GIG and BSB

GIG is expected to end 2005 bigger than BSB, with about 12mil - this because of effects ref. relocation of flights SDU-GIG. SDU and GIG are the two Rio de Janeiro airports.

Would you rank SJU in the LatAm list or US lis? As for CUN, you are correct, CUN, GIG and BSB will end 2005 with similar numbers, and CUN doesnt stop growing!

Rgs,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:05 am

Brazil's top 10 airports, 2005 data (JAN-JUL/05)

CGH: 11.1 mil
GRU: 10.4 mil
BSB: 6.2 mil
GIG: 5.6 mil
SSA: 2.9 mil
REC: 2.3 mil
SDU: 2.3 mil
POA: 2.2 mil
CWB: 2.2 mil
FOR: 1.8 mil

GIG is only expected to overcome BSB in 2006.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:26 am

... MEX and TLC will have to be considered fron now on, the two key players in traffic handling for the huge Mexico City metro area...

it is going to be something like CGH and GRU... We are now playing it the samba way !...

 yes 

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 23):
... MEX and TLC will have to be considered fron now on, the two key players in traffic handling for the huge Mexico City metro area...

it is going to be something like CGH and GRU... We are now playing it the samba way !...


XA744, i remember that Guadalajara keeps very strong numbers also, could you ou some of our Mexican friends give us a list of top 5 or 10 airports in Mexico please....?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
GIG is only expected to overcome BSB in 2006.

Right. But if you combine GIG+SDU, will produce a 13 million pax in 2005, expected to grow to 16 million on 2006. Infraero start to "bargain" with Tam, Gol and Varig: new slots for CGH need to transfer flights to GIG or CNF. That's one of the reason Gol and Tam will begin more than 20 new services from GIG.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
Brazil's top 10 airports, 2005 data (JAN-JUL/05)

CGH: 11.1 mil
GRU: 10.4 mil

With more 3.6 million on august, SAO airports are expected to get 30 million by this week.
Footnote: Brazilian airlines nowadays do not show a huge point-to-point service, Sao Paulo become the top hub just because of this (there are no services North-South, Norheast-South and only 3 BSB-south flights). SAO keeps at least 7.5 million pax as connections (South-SAO, SAO-Northeast).
Without strong competitors with different operational patterns, we keep sending millions to two airports with some restrictions (both keeps only one operational runway, are overcrowded on several days of the week, and do not keep much perspective of improvements as only GRU could receive a new terminal and short runway). Just to complete, SAO system capacity is declared as 32 million with GRU T3! The number in 2005 will be probably 37 million !

Rgds,
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 13):
What are the combined figures for:



Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 13):
New York - Newark, La Guardia, JFK

Well, I know combined all 3 airports was over 90 million passengers.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:47 am

Hardi,

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
Would you rank SJU in the LatAm list or US lis

Right. Normally I would place it in US list. But now I deliverately included it in the LatAm ranking just to annoy you a little.  innocent 
XA744,

Quoting XA744 (Reply 23):
.. MEX and TLC will have to be considered fron now on, the two key players in traffic handling for the huge Mexico City metro area...it is going to be something like CGH and GRU...

I do not see that happening in the short or medium term. TLC lacks of all kind of facilities. In fact, I am a little bit worried 2 airlines are planning to hub at TLC and so many others consider increasing services there. Its terminal is just a tiny building. Remember all troubles that pax coming from MAD had due to lack of infraestructure.

TLC has to invest heavily before handling 1M pax (not to mention 6M pax). And we all know how long it takes in Mexico to "start considering the likelihood of an evaluation to only think in the advantages of doing blueprints"...
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 25):
Well, I know combined all 3 airports was over 90 million passengers.

What about all London area airports combined (LHR, LGW, Stansted and LCY)? I assume this would become the biggest metro area air traffic movement in the world, correct?

Tks,
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
I was convinced that LHR was ranking 1st

It does or certainly used to but for International Passengers (including passengers to and from other EU member countries).

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 18):
Atlatna's Metro Population is roughly 4,247,981 People.

Only roughly? It does seem to have an air of exactitude greater than:

Quoting AdamWright (Reply 18):
Atlanta's City Population is 430,000 People

But there you go!
 
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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:14 am

Quote:
Brasuca (Reply 9)


Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter):
A message to los hermanos Argentinos

It was not a kind comment !



Quote:
Hardiwv (Reply 14)

...and you should also combine EZE with AEP in Buenos Aires!



Brasuca,

Chill out, amigão! I was just teasing our friends! However that's no lie: not EZE nor AEP are in the list and that means that up to now they're not part of the 100 league!  Cool

Quote:


Intothinair (Reply 10)

I had a funny feeling that this would happen, could you be kind enough to tell me where Jakarta(CGK), DPS and KUL rank and how many million pax. they have, Unfortunately I can only view the top 30 largest airports on Earth.

I'll be glad to so as soon as I get home I'll let you know!

Cheers!

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 20):
So, Hardiwv,my recommendation as always, do not think that the world reduces to Brazil.

= Hardi ... ignore Pzurita's comments. He is slightly anti-Brazil/India/China/Russia (the BRICs) and still fuming that Mexico is not considered to have long-term potential. AND Pzurita, dont be defensive, we can all search your posts here  Smile.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:30 am

Hey Pzurita1,

Are you REALLY from Bhutan? I love simm-flying out of PARO airport...it's a kick!

Now how about Abrelosojos' comments? Is it true you suffer from a particular racial disease?  Wow!

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:19 am

Abrelosojos,

I thought we had a rational discussion last time about the paper by Goldman Sachs introducing the concept of BRICs, but I never included an anti-BRIC bias. And now, thanks to your comment PPSMA thinks I have a racial disease.  confused 

Anyway, I think that is what I get for asking Hardi to think broader than Brazil, in a way that most Americans tend to do when it comes to their country relevance.


PPSMA,
No, I am not from Bhutan, but I flew from Paro twice and fall in love with the country. And no, I do not have a racial disease.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 27):
What about all London area airports combined (LHR, LGW, Stansted and LCY)? I assume this would become the biggest metro area air traffic movement in the world, correct?

Right. Incluiding LHR, LGW, STN, LTN and LCY, London metro area handles over 117M pax.

A list of metro areas with more than one airport (2003 data)
1. London: 117M (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, LCY)
2. Tokyo: 90M (HND, NRT)
3. Chicago: 84M (ORD, MDW)
4. NYC: 81M (JFK, LGA, EWR)
5. LA: 78M (LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LGB, SBA)
6. ATL: 77M (ATL)
7. Paris: 73M (CDG, ORY, Beauvais)
8. Bay Area: 55.6M (SFO, OAK, SJO)

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 24):
top 5 or 10 airports in Mexico please....?

2004 figures:
MEX: 22M
CUN: 10M
GDL: 5.3M
MTY: 4.3M
TIJ: 3.3M


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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 32):
I think that is what I get for asking Hardi to think broader than Brazil

Do I only think about Brazil?  Wow!

What's the problem with the BRICS? Maybe you are from Egypt and you are hurt because your country is left out?

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 32):
A list of metro areas with more than one airport (2003 data)
1. London: 117M (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, LCY)
2. Tokyo: 90M (HND, NRT)
3. Chicago: 84M (ORD, MDW)
4. NYC: 81M (JFK, LGA, EWR)
5. LA: 78M (LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LGB, SBA)
6. ATL: 77M (ATL)
7. Paris: 73M (CDG, ORY, Beauvais)
8. Bay Area: 55.6M (SFO, OAK, SJO

Tks for the very interesting table.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 30):
= Hardi ...

Yes? Btw, welcome to MERCOSUL! Or Pzurita would think against MERCOSUL as well?  Wink

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Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 32):
2004 figures:
MEX: 22M
CUN: 10M
GDL: 5.3M
MTY: 4.3M
TIJ: 3.3M

THanks!
I think GDL would be bigger, seems that MEX is also the big hub as SAO airports.

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Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:53 pm

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 32):
I thought we had a rational discussion last time about the paper by Goldman Sachs introducing the concept of BRICs, but I never included an anti-BRIC bias. And now, thanks to your comment PPSMA thinks I have a racial disease.

= Yes, you were very civil about our BRIC discussion and I dont think you have racist diseases ... HOWEVER, I do think you are anti-BRIC ... and I am still trying to gauge why exactly.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 33):
What's the problem with the BRICS? Maybe you are from Egypt and you are hurt because your country is left out?

= Hardi, I think Pzurita is Mexican and is upset that Mexico has been left out. I dont blame Pzurita ... Fox has convinced him that democracy has been consolidated in Mexico and Monterrey is representative of the whole country ... oh well, if you don't agree, you can always risk your life and cross the fence.

Tranquilo Pzu ... la vida es un carnaval.

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:02 pm

Going back to the topic, i.e. GRU.

GRU handles daily about 44 different aircraft types, e.g. Airbus, Boeing, Fokker, MD-11, ATR-42, Iliushin, and operates daily 400 take-off/landings. Very impressive numbers!

http://www.infraero.gov.br/impr_noti_prev.php?ni=2409&orig=home

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RE: GRU Ranked 84th Largest APT In The World!

Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
GRU handles daily about 44 different aircraft types, e.g. Airbus, Boeing, Fokker, MD-11, ATR-42, Iliushin, and operates daily 400 take-off/landings. Very impressive numbers!

Hardi, GRU will be hardly hitted by the upgrade on BRA operation (i.e. from charter to regular). They obtain (i don't know how!) slots at CGH and announce yesterday that will start flying a regular schedulle from CGH to CWB, VIX, SDU, POA, BSB, GYN and other cities. BSB will be their hub to North-Northeast cities.

BRA nowadays runs between 10 to 25 daily flights from GRU, about 3.100 to 4.500 pax per day. Only charters will be held at GRU.

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 36):
44 different aircraft types, e.g. Airbus, Boeing, Fokker, MD-11, ATR-42, Iliushin

What airline operates russian aircraft to GRU? I know SU used to, but it has some time they've dropped this route.
Not to count the general aviation aircraft! I've arrived from MIA last sunday and I saw many business jets at GRU - as you said 44 different types is impressive.

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting TR763 (Reply 38):
What airline operates russian aircraft to GRU?

Cubana is the only one I know of that still does.

Quoting TR763 (Reply 38):
I've arrived from MIA last sunday and I saw many business jets at GRU - as you said 44 different types is impressive.

Consider every 200/300/400/500/600/700/800 out there (Boeing and Airbus), plus Embraer (110 & 120), A32Xs, regionals, MDs, Russians, Fokkers.... there is alot of planes out there!!

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:55 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 39):
Cubana is the only one I know of that still does.

And Cubana doesn't fly to Brazil anymore.
I think he didn't mean Russian aircraft are regular there, but they do fly sometimes non-scheduled flights.
CVC sometimes operates charters in GRU-MAO-HAV with F100, but that's it.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 40):
And Cubana doesn't fly to Brazil anymore.

Forgot about that...

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 40):
CVC sometimes operates charters in GRU-MAO-HAV with F100, but that's it.

Don't think the F100 has the range for that. They probably lease a B737/B757 from someone to do it.

edit: unless they make a fuel stop

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 41):
Don't think the F100 has the range for that. They probably lease a B737/B757 from someone to do it.

Without cargo, only tourists, I think it's ok for the F100.
CVC works with TAM only. So I think it's very unlikely they'd lease Boeings anywhere else.

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Without cargo, only tourists, I think it's ok for the F100.
CVC works with TAM only. So I think it's very unlikely they'd lease Boeings anywhere else.

CVC does not use TAM to HAV, but COPA's regular schedule!

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 37):
BRA nowadays runs between 10 to 25 daily flights from GRU, about 3.100 to 4.500 pax per day. Only charters will be held at GRU.

GRU operates 400 landings/take-offs....if BRA drops GRU (max 25 flights) it wont affect the airport. On the contrary, BRA handles low-yielding pax and I'm sure GRU's manager are happy that BRA will abandon operations there. Actually GRU is above full capacity so this may alleviate the problem there, but worsen the situation in CGH, another airport over-capacity...and everything remains in or around Sao Paulo! [CVC relocated part of its charter operations from CGH to CPQ/VCP].

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:57 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
In fact, there is no correlation between population size and airport traffic. Look at the exemples of Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai to name just a few; or even AMS and FRA. On the contrary, if we would follow your reasoning the biggest airport in the world would not be ATL but (in order) NRT, MEX, DEL and ICN!

Please don't fool yourself. You KNOW that Sao Paulo is NOT Singapore, Hong Kong or Dubai, and is not even close to them, as no south american city is.
Singapore and Dubai and also Amsterdam have built fortress hubs. And Hong Kong is Hong Kong.

And you KNOW that Sao Paulo has all that traffic because almost all brazilian-international traffic is sent out by GRU, some flights out of GIG and two or three flights out of SSA.

Quoting PPSMA (Reply 29):
Chill out, amigão! I was just teasing our friends! However that's no lie: not EZE nor AEP are in the list and that means that up to now they're not part of the 100 league!

As i said in my first post, if Argentina had a population of 190 million inhabitants, and all that people being sent by EZE or AEP,as it happens with Brazil, they would surely rank higher tan SAO in that list.

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:10 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 45):
You KNOW that Sao Paulo is NOT Singapore, Hong Kong or Dubai

And Sao Paulo is not Lagos, Seoul, Mexico City and New Dheli!

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 45):
As i said in my first post, if Argentina had a population of 190 million inhabitants, and all that people being sent by EZE or AEP,as it happens with Brazil, they would surely rank higher tan SAO in that list.

The point is that Argentina has NOT a population of 190 million...so please STOP DREAMING...what's next? That Chile could become as a big country as Brazil?

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 45):
Argentinians are richer than brazilians.

Total GDP Brazil is the richest country, by far, in South America...

Hey...Lan Chile...everybody knows that you envy Brazil...and you would like to see LanBrazil and that Santiago could become Sao Paulo...but this is a dream, okay? So chill out and relax! And stop being so agresive...whats your problem? I think is too late in Chile, so have a sleep!

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:12 pm

Btw, as said above, Brazil has not only one airport, GRU. Here are the top 10 airports in Brazil, 2005 (Jan-Jul)...

Brazil's top 10 airports, 2005 data (JAN-JUL/05)

CGH: 11.1 mil
GRU: 10.4 mil
BSB: 6.2 mil
GIG: 5.6 mil
SSA: 2.9 mil
REC: 2.3 mil
SDU: 2.3 mil
POA: 2.2 mil
CWB: 2.2 mil
FOR: 1.8 mil

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:15 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 3):
ATL? I know DL is quite big, and that ATL is by far their main hub, but still... I was convinced that LHR was ranking 1st... Maybe it's LON and its five (5) airfields which dominates as a city...

LHR is the number one airport in the world for international traffic. It also gets far more of its passenger numbers from O&D that ATL does

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 9):
I just looked for Atlanta city's population and got astonished, in comparing with the airport movement.



Quoting AdamWright (Reply 18):
Atlanta's City Population is 430,000 People
Atlatna's Metro Population is roughly 4,247,981 People.

The Los Angeles MSA has around 17 million people and LAX has nearly 30 million fewer passengers per year. ATL would not have more than 40 million passenger per year (if that) without the DL fortress hub

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 27):
What about all London area airports combined (LHR, LGW, Stansted and LCY)? I assume this would become the biggest metro area air traffic movement in the world, correct?

Both forgot Luton, which is closer to the city than STN, in there

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 45):
Argentinians are richer than brazilians.

Take a look at that currency board lately??
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:21 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):
Both forgot Luton, which is closer to the city than STN, in there

Indeed, I forgot Luton. Here is the metro area traffic movement provided by our Mexican friend Pzuira1:

1. London: 117M (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, LCY)
2. Tokyo: 90M (HND, NRT)
3. Chicago: 84M (ORD, MDW)
4. NYC: 81M (JFK, LGA, EWR)
5. LA: 78M (LAX, ONT, BUR, SNA, LGB, SBA)
6. ATL: 77M (ATL)
7. Paris: 73M (CDG, ORY, Beauvais)
8. Bay Area: 55.6M (SFO, OAK, SJO)

Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):
ke a look at that currency board lately??

He doesnt know that...  Wink

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