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Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:16 pm

Southwest Airlines to Serve Denver International Airport
DALLAS, Oct. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV), the nation's low-fare leader, announced today it will initiate service from Denver International Airport beginning in early 2006. The airline will announce specifics of its flight schedule and fares via a news conference in Denver next week.

"Southwest has experienced strong Customer demand to serve an obvious gap in our route network, and this service will return Southwest's legendary low fares to Colorado," said Gary Kelly, Southwest's Chief Executive Officer. "Denver's growing community is one we have studied and intended to serve, for quite some time, and we look forward to also serving the people of the entire State of Colorado."

Southwest's announcement today is a testament to the positive changes that have occurred as a result of the construction and cost conscious operation of Denver International Airport. Southwest served the Denver market between 1983 and 1986 from Stapleton International Airport. Since then, the Denver airport system has established a strong infrastructure, with six runways, and substantially reduced its rates on a cost per passenger basis, creating an economically attractive environment for Southwest Airlines. Additionally, Denver International Airport was ranked number one for ontime arrivals in 2004, making the airport a great fit for Southwest's quick aircraft turn times.

"Over time, Denver International has dramatically reduced its costs, increased its efficiency, and demonstrated that Denver can be a viable opportunity for Southwest Airlines," Kelly said. "This year a leading travel publication named Denver as the 'Best Airport in North America.'"

Southwest Airlines was able to accelerate the start-up of this planned new city due to aircraft availability created by Hurricane Katrina-related schedule changes and the resumption of new aircraft deliveries from The Boeing Co. subsequent to the cessation of a Boeing work stoppage.

Historically, when Southwest enters a new city, fares drop substantially and demand for travel greatly increases. The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) in a 1993 study described the phenomenon as the "Southwest Effect." Statistics from one of Southwest's newest cities, Philadelphia, provide a perfect example:

* Since Southwest Airlines entered the Philadelphia market in May 2004,
total Philadelphia traffic has increased nearly 30 percent.
* In the third quarter of 2004, the average one-way fare between
Philadelphia and Chicago Midway Airport fell 46 percent, while traffic
increased by 137 percent. In addition, the average one-way fare between
Philadelphia and Chicago O'Hare (an airport that Southwest Airlines
does not serve) fell 44 percent, while traffic increased by 28 percent,
showing that Southwest Airlines' arrival in new markets benefits even
sister airports and other airlines.

Southwest has reported 32 consecutive years of profitability and job security for its Employees, and earlier this year celebrated its 34th year in business. Based in Dallas, Southwest operates a fleet of 439 Boeing 737s with an average age of nine years-among the youngest pure jet fleets in the domestic airline industry. Southwest Airlines, the nation's largest carrier in terms of domestic passengers enplaned, currently serves 61 airports in 31 states. Based in Dallas, Southwest currently operates more than 2,900 flights a day and has 31,000+ Employees systemwide.

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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:31 pm

here's hoping for a n/s to BNA!!!
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:56 pm

Wow...I thought DIA was tight for space. I didn't see this one coming--can't wait to see what F9 and UA do.
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:58 pm

This is great news as I love going to Denver and into the rockies but the fares seem very expensive. Hopefully the "southwest effect" will force UA and F9 into reducing their fares a bit which can only be good for the city and local tourism. I was in Denver last week and the city seems to be pushing tourism very hard so this can't do them any harm at all.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:04 pm

While this will hurt both UA and F9, I actually believe F9 might be more vulnerable. Almost any route WN launches will directly compete with UA and F9. That means many routes will have 3 (or more) carriers which may be too much.

F9 might find itself sandwiched in between a strong LCC and a traditional network carrier (who has lowered their costs substantially in BK).
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:12 pm

I would presume that they will launch their service with the following cities.
BWI, MDW, LAS, PHX, SLC, & PHL.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:26 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
While this will hurt both UA and F9, I actually believe F9 might be more vulnerable. Almost any route WN launches will directly compete with UA and F9. That means many routes will have 3 (or more) carriers which may be too much.

F9 might find itself sandwiched in between a strong LCC and a traditional network carrier (who has lowered their costs substantially in BK).

You are so correct. F9 does not have the same resources to compete that UA has. This will overall be good for the DEN area, however, WN will also encounter some unique operating challenges at DEN, with reduced takeoff weights during the hot summer months, and de-icing challenges during the winter, not to mention Pena Blvd slowing to a crawl during the snowstorms.

Anybody know what percentage of the traffic at DEN is O&D as compared to connecting?

This could also force out some carriers that have very minor presences at DEN.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:27 pm

A few guesses at Southwest Airlines Denver gateways:

Group A)
Oakland, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Chicago, Philadelphia, Tampa, Baltimore, Orlando

Group B)
Portland, Seattle, St.Louis, Salt Lake, Reno, San Jose, Sacramento, Detroit, Indianapolis

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Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:35 pm

I would bet that ABQ would be one of the first cities.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:39 pm

Personally, I hope they chose some unserved routes along with their obvious routes of MDW, PHX, LAS, BWI, PHL, and LAX....
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 3):
Wow...I thought DIA was tight for space.

That surprises me. I thought DIA had ample room for additional frequencies or new players.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:54 pm

An interesting move by Southwest indeed. With Airtran, Frontier and UA there, plus many others, it should be an interesting match-up. Any bets that FL will withdraw from this market??
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:56 pm

Well isn't DEN the largest airport in the world? One thing they are not short of is space, you can after all fit ORD and DFW into the area covered by DEN (I read this last week but still find it a little difficult to believe).
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:00 pm

I just hope that WN's presence in DEN doesn't force F9 to go out of business. Hopefully, after being around for 11 years; F9 should have developed strong hometown airline relationship with Denver residents following by now.

F9 wasn't even around during the 2 times WN was at Stapleton; although the original Frontier was still around when WN was in DEN the first time.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:07 pm

Aren't they trying to build concourse extensions? Or is there room over at the non hub concourses?
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:07 pm

I remember seeing SWA 732s serving Stapleton 20 years ago.

Well, it's about time they came back down to earth and served the WHOLE Nation! NOW they can say, "You are now free to move about the country."


So by early next year, Spirit will be the only major airline not serving Denver.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:07 pm

This is going to be interesting. Congrats to Denver. It is true,Frontier is the most vunerable here. I am waiting to see what happens when those lovely fronts come rushing down the Rockies forcing the Airport to use the crosswind runways. It will be interesting seeing SWA planes joining the Conga line.

SWA pretty much has the country covered,I think soon they will be running out of markets to serve with their business model and using 737s. This is beginning to prove it. Congrats to SWA and DIA.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:10 pm

I expect to shortly see WN in ATL and perhaps MSP soon.. Seems they are going for the most vulnerable fishes right now. Wonder what Big Red is going to do?
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:11 pm

gee, I would have bet that WN would serve COS lightyears before DEN.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting William (Reply 17):
think soon they will be running out of markets to serve with their business model and using 737s. This is beginning to prove it. Congrats to SWA and DIA.

I'll have to disagree--there are still plenty of 737 markets. I think you'll see them start connecting more dots--then they'll push into other major hubs, like they are doing at DEN. I expect Northwest will be in their sites--MSP, MKE, MEM. Ultimately you'll see them in ATL--that may be a decade or more away though-IMO.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 19):
gee, I would have bet that WN would serve COS lightyears before DEN.

COS only has 9 gates, right? and almost all of them are pre-occupied I think.. not such a WN-esque move..
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:28 pm

DEN has plenty of land. Gate space is what they need. DEN actually has fewer gates than the old Stapleton did when it closed. F9 has been lobbying for more gates for years. UAL has more than they really need right now, but I can't see them giving up any. I think at the far east end of the C concourse, one of the the old TWA gates is not being used. That's the only one I can think of.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:30 pm

Does anyone else think that there are many other cities that WN should have announced besides DEN? Isn't DEN extremely expensive to operate from?

What about CLT, CVG, RIC etc. DEN just doesnt seem like a WN kind of station.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:31 pm

Definitely not good news for F9, which is not a particularly well managed company. The immediate effect, I believe, will be the defection of their best employees at DIA, leaving only the worst performers to man the counters and the gates.They don't have the WN corporate culture where the employees feel connected to the company and feel they have a genuine stake in its success.Frontier has developed a "hub" mentality "we're really important and we can do what we want here" although they have not been able to turn a profit for several years, and will be unable to do so if downward pressure on fares continues. Ultimately, I don't think they will survive.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:37 pm

Quoting William (Reply 17):
SWA pretty much has the country covered,I think soon they will be running out of markets to serve with their business model and using 737s. This is beginning to prove it. Congrats to SWA and DIA.

Your statement is so untrue. They DO NOT pretty much have the country covered.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:41 pm

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 23):
What about CLT, CVG, RIC etc. DEN just doesnt seem like a WN kind of station.

CVG has no gates available thanks to DL, RIC is now occupied by Airtran and another recently announced carrier (I have forgotten who); CLT is no loger viable as US and America West have merged....
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 26):
CVG has no gates available thanks to DL

Actually, there are plenty of gates available in the dumps they call Terminals 1 and 2, and most of the gates don't have jetways, but that hasn't scared WN away from airports like BUR  Wink .
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:50 pm

I wonder how this will tie in with ATA. They fly DEN-MDW and just recently started DEN-PHX with a 757. Maybe they will use ATA's gate.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:53 pm

Also, isnt this the first city they have opened up west of the Mississippi in quite a number of years?
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:55 pm

not that there will be nonstops right away, but the greater BOS market (MHT/PVD included) sees an average of 660 passengers each way per day on only 5 nonstop flights (4 UA, 1 B6) at average one way fares approaching $200.00. I could see PVD and MHT each getting 1 DEN nonstop in the not too distant future...
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:55 pm

I would think that Denver would be an ideal market for WN and apparently now the fees and operations are now better matched for WN's ops and cost structure. I am surprised and thought they would have gone to COS first, but apparently the lack of terminal facilities prevented that.
To me UA will really be hurt more so than F9. UA is still in BK and adding more competiton as to lower fares for certain cities will make them have to discontinue some low-yeild flights. F9 has it's own well established network, serves airports WN doesn't (LGA for example) operates flights not in direct conflict with UA and as noted by others here, has a pretty good repuation for quality service, including seat reservations as well as competitive fares. They may have to drop some routes, but I suspect they will survive.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 30):
PVD and MHT each getting 1 DEN nonstop in the not too distant future...

I would have much rather seen PVD-DEN on F9, but im starting to think that wont ever happen now
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:13 pm

So they'll serve the very big DEN but not th very big DFW?  Smile

Will this also be the first time WN returns to a city they once served, or have there been others?
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:13 pm

Do you see any chance of WN moving into more "remote" high plains markets such as BIS or RAP where NW is currently the only legacy network airline that provides mainline service
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:15 pm

WOW! All I can say is that i'm glad that I left F9 at DEN. It will probably be a blood bath up there once WN comes to town. Fact is, even though F9 is a good carrier with good service, they are no WN when it comes to overall operations. Theoretically, WN can get up to 50/60 daily flights from there in a couple of years time. Also let's not forget about what kind of impact this will have on Ted. I don't see them competing very well against WN at all.

Good luck F9 and UA. You guys will need it.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:21 pm

Well... since F9, UA, Ted, nor anyone else will do RDU-DEN.. perhaps WN will seize the opportunity.. it is the right size aircraft for the route.. better than using a CR7..
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:22 pm

"In addition, the average one-way fare between
Philadelphia and Chicago O'Hare (an airport that Southwest Airlines
does not serve) fell 44 percent, while traffic increased by 28 percent,
showing that Southwest Airlines' arrival in new markets benefits even
sister airports and other airlines."

Someone please explain to me how a 44% drop in fares and a 28% incrase in traffic BENEFiTS OTHER AIRLINES?????

That is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard in a press release, totally over-the-top. It just goes to show you the attitude they have over there at WN -- it makes me sick.

(and note I'm not saying they shouldn't have entered PHL or shouldn't be entering DEN -- it's a business like anything else and if they can make money flying at those fares, all the more power too them. I just think they shouldn't gloss over the damage that they are helping perpetuate in the industry)
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Dartland (Reply 37):

Someone please explain to me how a 44% drop in fares and a 28% incrase in traffic BENEFiTS OTHER AIRLINES?????

28% increase was for the airport, meaning as WN forces the others to lower airfares, more customers will fly on the legacies because they have lower fares. this benefits the airport, and brings in more money to the airport.

Congrats to WN, hope thye make it well at DEN.

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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 8):
Group A)
Oakland, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Chicago, Philadelphia, Tampa, Baltimore, Orlando

Group B)
Portland, Seattle, St.Louis, Salt Lake, Reno, San Jose, Sacramento, Detroit, Indianapolis

I am sure at least one Texas market, San Diego and ABQ will be in there

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 13):

Well isn't DEN the largest airport in the world? One thing they are not short of is space, you can after all fit ORD and DFW into the area covered by DEN (I read this last week but still find it a little difficult to believe).

It is huge, but smaller than 1 other airport, JED
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:34 pm

From the press release:

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 1):
Southwest Airlines was able to accelerate the start-up of this planned new city due to aircraft availability created by Hurricane Katrina-related schedule changes

Sounds like WN is content to let NW take over the number 1 role at MSY, and frankly, to take a back seat here while most everyone else is expanding services here, and experiencing high load factors. Even the local WN people here are questioning their sluggishness in returning service.

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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:34 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
F9 wasn't even around during the 2 times WN was at Stapleton; although the original Frontier was still around when WN was in DEN the first time.

Southwest has only served DEN Stapleton once, starting in 1983 and pulling out in 1986, due to bad ATC delays at the old airport.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 37):
Someone please explain to me how a 44% drop in fares and a 28% incrase in traffic BENEFiTS OTHER AIRLINES?????

That is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard in a press release, totally over-the-top. It just goes to show you the attitude they have over there at WN -- it makes me sick.

Before you get too sick, read up on the "Southwest Effect" as DOT as called it. Southwest enters a market with lower fares, the competition matchs, and more people (than before Southwest's arrival) end up flying, including on the incumbent airlines. In other words, the volume of passengers increases, for everyone.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:39 pm

F9 better diversify its routes. Perhaps they can open new routes to Canada and the Caribbean.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:41 pm

This is going to hurt United, but this is really going to hurt Frontier.
This is going to be interesting ...
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:41 pm

I kinda figured they might do this, since the reason they pulled out of the old airport was mega delays, and that isn't really an issue at this airport. The one bad thing for Southwest is DEN is an airport with high landing fees and long taxis due to the giant layout of the airport. The reason I say this is bad is you quickly feed amunition to the pro-wright crowd who will say, if they can deal with the high landing fees and long taxis at DEN, why not at DFW?
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 40):
Sounds like WN is content to let NW take over the number 1 role at MSY, and frankly, to take a back seat here while most everyone else is expanding services here, and experiencing high load factors. Even the local WN people here are questioning their sluggishness in returning service.

The thing about WN to MSY is that they were the main provider of tourist seats into the market before the hurricane, with the other airlines handling more of the business market. Since the business market has recovered before the tourist market, it seems pretty natural for WN to take a wait-and-see approach. I do, however, think they are being a bit slow in rebuilding their schedule and should be doing at least 10 flights a day.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 41):
Southwest has only served DEN Stapleton once, starting in 1983 and pulling out in 1986, due to bad ATC delays at the old airport.

My bad, that's what I get for rush-reading through the press release at just one glance.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:56 pm

They did serve IAH twice and pulled out for a 3rd time this year.
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 4):
This is great news as I love going to Denver and into the rockies but the fares seem very expensive. Hopefully the "southwest effect" will force UA and F9 into reducing their fares a bit which can only be good for the city and local tourism. I was in Denver last week and the city seems to be pushing tourism very hard so this can't do them any harm at all.

If they plan at operating at a loss, Denver is a very expensive airport to operate out of, Western Pacific found that out the hard way.

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 11):
That surprises me. I thought DIA had ample room for additional frequencies or new players

DIA on has one open gate, right next to Delta.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 13):
Well isn't DEN the largest airport in the world? One thing they are not short of is space, you can after all fit ORD and DFW into the area covered by DEN (I read this last week but still find it a little difficult to believe).

Again, only one gate open, all others are occupied.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
COS only has 9 gates, right? and almost all of them are pre-occupied I think.. not such a WN-esque move..

COS has 12 gates in Terminal 1 and another 4 gates at Terminal 2 however all gates at T1 are occupied.
 
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RE: WN To Serve Denver International

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:00 am

I think that WN would have stimulated more incremental new traffic through commencing service to COS iso DEN. The gains that WN makes at DEN will come largely at the expense of F9, UA and Ted.