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Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:27 am

I'm just curious to see how this forum members react to this topic.
I think HAV could provide a better stop for JL Japan-Brazil flights; Cuba don't require visas for Brazilians like USA, Canada and now Mexico. Moreover, Cuba is quite an interesting destination for Japanese and Brazilians - both tourists and businesspeople.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Thread starter):
I'm just curious to see how this forum members react to this topic.
I think HAV could provide a better stop for JL Japan-Brazil flights; Cuba don't require visas for Brazilians like USA, Canada and now Mexico. Moreover, Cuba is quite an interesting destination for Japanese and Brazilians - both tourists and businesspeople.

It wouldn't make money as the yield would be horrendous. The flight might be able to fill easily, but there is no substainable market for any Japan-Caribbean services.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:53 am

Cuba has very limited access to US dollars. Cuba could never support a NRT segment.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:59 am

If the previous thread did not convince you, then any city in this world can be feasible.

I'm not sure, but I think AC flights to HAV can't overfly the US. So, JAL can't either. Can anyone confirm?
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 3):
I'm not sure, but I think AC flights to HAV can't overfly the US. So, JAL can't either. Can anyone confirm?

Cubana flights cannot overfly the United States, but that is it. AC can overfly the US on YYZ-HAV, and US airlines can overfly Cuba. US airlines offer regularly scheduled charter flights to Cuba on a daily basis. American Eagle flies to Havana, Holguin, Camaguey, Cienfuegos, and Santiago.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:47 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Cubana flights cannot overfly the United States, but that is it

How the manage to fly charters to YWG, YYC and YVR?

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Cuba has very limited access to US dollars. Cuba could never support a NRT segment.

Who's saying cubans will fly to NRT?
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
How the manage to fly charters to YWG, YYC and YVR?

They use TACA planes, which is how they manage to run a direct route on their scheduled flights to Montreal and Toronto.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:54 am

Cubana flights can fly over the USA. I do believe they have to follow certain allowed flight paths. A number of years ago, a Cuban flight went off it's flight plan (not sure of the reason) and overflew a missle base in New York. Their flights over the USA were suspended for a while.
Any flights from the far East to Brazil would be better via Mexico City if wanted to avoid the USA.
 
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
It wouldn't make money as the yield would be horrendous. The flight might be able to fill easily, but there is no substainable market for any Japan-Caribbean services.

How are the Brazil-Japan yields?
I'm not talking about Japan-Caribbean flights, I'm talking Brazil-Japan, HAV is just a stop because a Japan-Brazil non-stop is - at least for now - out of the question and having stops in Canada, USA or Mexico (maybe) don't serve for brazilian passengers.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Cuba has very limited access to US dollars. Cuba could never support a NRT segment.

Who's saying cubans will fly to NRT?

Then what is the point of stopping in HAV? You've got to have substantial O/D traffic for an intermediate stop.

RG picks up local traffic at LAX on their GRU-LAX-NRT run.
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RE: Japan (NRT) To Brazil (GRU) Via Cuba (HAV)

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 9):
Then what is the point of stopping in HAV? You've got to have substantial O/D traffic for an intermediate stop.

FUEL, take for example South African Airways stop in SID on the way to the USA, Do they've substantial SID O/D traffic? Nothing at all.
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