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Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:18 am

At 6' I wouldn't consider myself overly tall but I always find myself having to shrink down in my seat and even contort myself a little to see out the window. Just wondering if there is an engineering reason why the windows are located at that height or are they basing it on a very short person sitting in the seat?
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Just wondering if there is an engineering reason why the windows are located at that height or are they basing it on a very short person sitting in the seat?

Its because you are an adult. Little children are meant to look out the window to keep them amused, you are meant to read a book!  Smile

I would imagine it is something to do with the structural integrity as to where they are positioned?
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:22 am

Just sit in the aisle seat and look over the pax, you get much better views out of two windows instead of one, usually, and no need to contort yourself.

The downside is of course you don't control the window
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:23 am

It's because in the XIXth Century, people were smaller that they were today  rotfl 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
At 6' I wouldn't consider myself overly tall but I always find myself having to shrink down in my seat and even contort myself a little to see out the window.

Well you are overly tall  Wink What I mean is that while in Northern Europe, much of North America and some other places, 6' is average, in most of the world you are well above average.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 3):
It's because in the XIXth Century, people were smaller that they were today

You joke but I bet that does have something to do with it. Go to Fenway Park in Boston and try to sit in one the seats. Either it was made for smaller people or it is a torture device.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:32 am

Apart from the possible structural reasons... because most passengers don't want to look at the wings and control surfaces, they want to look down? The Caravelle even had triangular windows, with the base at the lower edge, to maximise the downward view for a given surface area.
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:33 am

The most interesting sight is usually below anyway, as the sky is quite boring compared to the ground. So you'd want to look down anyway. And yes, probably they took average heights as a starting point.
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:33 am

I've had the same problems. In fact, I hate flying Canadair RJ's because their windows are exceptionally low on the fuselage. On the other hand, I love Embraer RJ's because the windows are so high up.

But to answer the original question, I think there was a perception originally that passengers preferred to look down from the plane at the terrain directly below. I believe engineers have realized recently that passengers prefer to view the horizon, or at least be able to see it. That is why most modern planes, with the Canadair exception, have the windows slightly higher. And wait until the next generation of planes come on line (787/350) - I think the windows on those babies will be in the "sweet spot" for viewing, especially since they'll be a lot larger as well.
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:34 am

Okay, I'm 6'5 and am myself a victim of the contorting-craning-my-neck-to-see-outside game. Boeing seems to be the prime offender here. I love to look out the window during thunderstorms, especially at night. When we used to fly them, the DC-10s had larger, better-placed windows. (The old rattletraps). Unless you're flying Northwest, FedEx or Ghana Airways, you're out of luck!

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Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:04 am



One of the few perks of being vertically challanged! Flying and looking out the window.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 1):
Its because you are an adult. Little children are meant to look out the window to keep them amused, you are meant to read a book

I'm a child too then!
What about sunlight? At the moment the sun only shines through the windows and into your face rarely. If they were higher then might pax be dazzled somewhat more?
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:39 am

Does the Bombardier Challenger/Global Express business jet have a lower floor in the cabin than the CRJ to allow for more headroom? I think it might, which would explain the position of the windows since the CRJ-100/200 is based on that design.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:39 am

I am also six foot tall and I've never found that the windows in any aircraft I have flown in were too low. But in every single aircraft bar one the cabin floor was too high.

The one? Look at my handle. The Vickers Viscount - the first commercial aircraft I ever flew in - had really big, picture windows. It did not matter where the cabin floor was positioned or how tall you were, you got an excellent view everytime.
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:13 am

Quoting David L (Reply 6):

David, yours was the only response that got it right. People want to look down, and the Caravelle's widows were triangular shaped to allow for good downward vision with a minimum amount of metal removed.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:20 am

I flew on the B737-700 and -800 last weekend, and noticed that the windows are kind of low on the walls. I'm 5'11" tall and had to hunch a bit to be able to look out properly...

Well, the 737NG fuselages are based on the 707 that flew in 1954... us North Europeans have grown taller in 50 years, that's for sure...
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 3):
It's because in the XIXth Century, people were smaller that they were today

Uh huh, how many jetliners were flying in the 19th century? Or any airliners for that matter?
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
Uh huh, how many jetliners were flying in the 19th century? Or any airliners for that matter

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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
Uh huh, how many jetliners were flying in the 19th century? Or any airliners for that matter?

Those dirigables and hot air balloons needed to be able to accomodate the shorter passengers. Come on, haven't you heard of the wildly successful United Balloon Lines that offered nonstop service between New York and 2000ft in whatever direction the wind was blowing.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:27 am

Read what the person said that I quoted.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:33 am

It depends on the plane. Not all windows are put in the same place, but on a 737, they seem lower than just about any other model. Us tall people have to crane our necks JUST TO LOOK DOWN. The angle is so bad, that looking down normally is at an angle that the thickness of the airframe itself blocks the view.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 14):
David, yours was the only response that got it right.

Ooo, cheers! But, in fairness, I may have been the only one to mention the Caravelle but several twigged the "looking down" solution.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
The Vickers Viscount - the first commercial aircraft I ever flew in - had really big, picture windows.

Ah yes, they had great windows - the F-27, too.
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 17):
PLEASE say you are joking...PLEASE...

I think you may be a bit confused.

We are now living in the 21st century, the century before that that was written as 19xx was the 20th century, and the age before that when 18xx was used was the 19th century, making Andz quite correct in saying that no airliners flew in the 19th century.
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:27 am

Didn't the De Havilland Comet have rather large windows? Even after the redesign to keep said windows attached to the plane in flight, they were still big, like large portholes.

I agree with the 737 windows. It is really awkward to look out of them, and I am 5'11".
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting Euclid (Reply 23):
making Andz quite correct in saying that no airliners flew in the 19th century.

Yes it's true. But it makes you both completely humour-less. It was a JOKE mates, hello?
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:40 am

Airbus windows always seem higher than on Boeing aircraft. Last week I flew the 737, 777, A319 and A330 back to back and as mentioned the 737 windows were very low, whereas the A319 and A330 windows were placed higher and slightly upsloping. I actually prefer the 737 for taking photos out of as the A330 windows can make downward shots much more difficult. Just wait for the A380 lower deck - those windows will have a slight downward slope and will be great for viewing. You certainly won't catch me on the upper deck. Can't beat the Douglas jets though, the DC10s are HUGE!
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:49 am

F70/100 have bigger, more oval windows in a better location for tall people. Always liked flying those because of that.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:15 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 3):
It's because in the XIXth Century, people were smaller that they were today

Uh huh, how many jetliners were flying in the 19th century? Or any airliners for that matter?

Good points both! But you know, I've seen a movie of the submarine Nautilus piloted by Captain Nemo during the XIX century. That ship had some really big windows!

In these modern times I find myself sometimes craning down to look out the window. Even more bothersome, though, is when I ask for a window seat, but then get on the plane to find out it is one of those areas where, perhaps for structure reasons, there is no window. So, I've got a plastic wall in my face the entire filght!
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting Euclid (Reply 23):
I think you may be a bit confused.

We are now living in the 21st century, the century before that that was written as 19xx was the 20th century, and the age before that when 18xx was used was the 19th century, making Andz quite correct in saying that no airliners flew in the 19th century.

I think the two of you may be perfectly humorless. The JOKE is that, of course, no airplanes were flying the nineteenth century, as 1903 was very near the beginning of the 20th century.

And you chaps even speak English... good grief.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 28):

That wall is often so if a fan explodes and isn't contained in the nacelle like it should be, it doesn't fly through the window and slice off your face.

I do hate those seats though, as they are cramped.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 am

Being 6-2 low windows are always a problem for me. The best plane windows for me were the L10,DC10, and best one of all planes was the MD-11. M-Douglas made that a selling point that the M11s had a lot bigger windows. The bad part is airlines are more worried about fuel and not losing money rather than pax comfort. Worst planes have to be the CRJs. Airbus planes are higher up but seem smaller. Prop planes like the EMB120s have great windows. Props are the ONLY way to fly.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
That wall is often so if a fan explodes and isn't contained in the nacelle like it should be, it doesn't fly through the window and slice off your face.

Ah! Thanks for the info. And it sounds like another reason to avoid those seats!
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:49 am

at over 6'2" I seem to remember 727 windows were OK... and I have to agree you can't see anymore... so I sit on the aisle seats and drink and read...
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:43 pm

Because You need to use the Window to look downwards while in flight.  Smile
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher

Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:46 pm

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 29):

Thank you! I was beginning to think no one would ever understand it was a damn joke. But I'll stop joking from now on on this forum, because even by putting a " rotfl " next to it, some still take it seriously....

If ever you're interested, note that I put that because when you visit castles here or archeological places, you figure out that you have top bend down to pass through doors. People were smaller at that time, even though it mostly is XIII-XVth century sites.

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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:05 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Well you are overly tall What I mean is that while in Northern Europe, much of North America and some other places, 6' is average, in most of the world you are well above average.

Actually, the United States has an average height of 5'9" for men and 5'3.75" for women.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:47 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
That wall is often so if a fan explodes and isn't contained in the nacelle like it should be, it doesn't fly through the window and slice off your face.

I do hate those seats though, as they are cramped.

You're kidding right? If a fan blade was to escape the nacle on an aircraft travelling at 500mph it is no more liekly to strike the 15 inch windowless section than it is to go smashing through the next window along.

If you look at any aircraft cutaway you'll see the reason for these missing windows is for air conditioning and distribution ducts which is why some aircraft have these gaps in the rear fuselage as well e.g. A346, B764.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher

Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:20 pm

I read once that there was an early "convertible" version of the 727, which did passenger duty during the day and cargo at night.

It was an organizational nightmare and soon abandoned, but also, the windows ended up more or less at hip level because of the complicated floor system, which took a few extra inches of head room.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 26):
Airbus windows always seem higher than on Boeing aircraft

It's not a "seem," it's true. If you look at the exterior of the plane, Boeing windows are closer to the "equator" of the plane so to speak.

Look at the way the Boeing and Airbus windows are not in the same stripe, therefore not at the same height, in the much-lamented old Thai livery:


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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:29 pm

Thanks for all the responses folks.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Us tall people have to crane our necks JUST TO LOOK DOWN. The angle is so bad, that looking down normally is at an angle that the thickness of the airframe itself blocks the view.

I should have been more specific because this one is what I was getting at here. I haven't had problems on the 777 and 747 but anything else has been poor. Even though it was dark the other night I still had to squirm on the 767-400 to see anything, up, down, staright out, or otherwise.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Actually, the United States has an average height of 5'9" for men and 5'3.75" for women.

Good to know I am above average for the States. Like I've always said...if I was 6 inches taller I would have been playing in the NFL, 6 inches shorter and I would have been in the circus, and 6 inches longer and I would have been in porn.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:01 pm

I don't know how Boeing sizes windows or calculates window locations previously, but I work on the 787 development team now and I know how they are sizing and locating the windows on the Dreamliner. I have talked to Boeing 787 design team extensively and often (usually about engines and nacelle more than anything).

Boeing do send their marketing team and some of their design engineers from other component to us, the powerplant guys, to give us overview of the entire plane design once a while.

For the window size, everybody already knows it is going to be bigger and with electronic shading control.

As for the location, Boeing did a survey and market study on what passengers like to look out of the windows. Their results are that overwhelmingly the #1 item on the list is that pax likes to look out and try to see the horizon. Not up into the sky or down onto the ground. That was important consideration as Boeing is trying to optimize for it. They have considered a design that allows more passengers, even those not on the window seat, to have a good view of the horizon, and so that you don't have to slouch or contort just to get a good view.

#2 in the survey was to look at the landscape during take off's and landings.

I hope that helps. I do engines, and not windows, but my engineering guess would say windows height location won't matter if it was higher a few inches or so, if the windows does not run into the curved part of the top fuselage.
 
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 38):
It was an organizational nightmare and soon abandoned, but also, the windows ended up more or less at hip level because of the complicated floor system, which took a few extra inches of head room.

Any Details on that Combi Type.
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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:13 am

Makes me remember DC8 windows that were like huge... Man, I'm friggin' old...

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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:09 am

I noticed that the windows on the Boeing 727QC were much lower that the other 727 models. I've heard that was due to the pallatized seating. I also noticed this on Alaska's 737-200Cs.

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RE: Why Aren't Airline Windows A Little Bit Higher Up?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:04 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 41):
Any Details on that Combi Type.
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The 717-100C

A quick change QC combi.

It had a main deck cargo door.

There was a special ground vehicle called the "seat eater" which would connect to the main deck cargo door. The entire passenger interior except for the hatracks and restrooms could be unloaded in 30 minutes.

Apparently, a big problem was that workers always misplaced the galley door slide at the "wrong" end of the cycle, leading to cancelled flights.

And, what reminded me of that bird in the first place:

"The seats were 3 inches higher than in a regular 727. The top of the cabin windows were at passengers' chin level."

Fedex and UPS bought them and used them as pure freighters.

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