dogfighter2111
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Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:05 am

Hey,

Well, Alpha One Airways had supposed to start operations flying a short college hop but it appears that this has probably flopped. It looks as though they will be flying Southampton-Isle of Man. New routes are to be announced this Monday and flights will start on the Southampton-->Isle of Man Route on 7th November with fares from £99 excluding Taxes and Charges.

Website: http://www.flyalpha1.com/

Thanks
Mike

EDIT: I am aware of a Topic underway about Southampton changes but I am just mentioning waht they are doing, in very little detail  

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:16 am

I said in the other thread, but I will say here aswell.

Any idea on an aircraft type?
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:07 am

Looking at the schedule it looks like an IOM based aircraft? If they are to get going by Nov it has to be somebodyelse's aircraft (Flykeen?). Also the company name is now Alpha One (Manx) Ltd. I wonder if they are trying to pull the same trick as Euromanx did when it started with it being a "ticket provider"?
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:11 am

hmm, i am not sure but a Beech 1900D was mentioned a while back but i'd assume a larger aircraft now if EDI and MAN are to be served.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:21 am

Didn't he originally want to fly between Cambridge and Oxford.

Funny that he didn't stick to the original business plan.
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 3):
hmm, i am not sure but a Beech 1900D was mentioned a while back but i'd assume a larger aircraft now if EDI and MAN are to be served.

Thanks
Mike

A few aircraft types have been mentioned, but you managed to miss them all, B1900s aren't one of them. J31s most recently and Piper Najavos have been mentioned, EDI has never been mentioned as a destination either though.  Confused
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):

That was the route.

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 5):

Ahh yes, it was J-31's. I could remember what it was to be honest and a J-31 was running through my mind.

Also, EDI was mentioned as a possible route. I never said they were flying in, but there is a possibility in the near future.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:12 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
Also, EDI was mentioned as a possible route. I never said they were flying in, but there is a possibility in the near future.

I don't recall EDI ever being mentioned as a possible route. I could be wrong though.

Could there be any connection to Euromanx here?

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):
Didn't he originally want to fly between Cambridge and Oxford.

Funny that he didn't stick to the original business plan.

That's right, and then he changed his mind in favour of LTN/BRS/BHX and MAN to the Isle of Wight. This seemed like a good proposition to me.
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:17 pm

Wish him well, but I'm always a little concerned about start-ups which radically alter key aspects of their business as they get nearer to the 'off'.

Last-minute changes of routes, airports and aircraft has rarely been a good sign for a new airline - I hope the business plan isn't as jumpy and ad hoc as it appears.
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:20 pm

He probably realised that the intended route wasn't going to pay. It is like putting a B747 on an Edinburgh-Glasgow route, barely anyone would use it therfore go bust within a matter of a few months. If he were to use a J-31 on the intended route, then he'd only have aobut 2 or 3 PAX per flight. Not worth it  Smile

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
It is like putting a B747 on an Edinburgh-Glasgow route

 Confused
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
He probably realised that the intended route wasn't going to pay

Nah, it was a simple case of new investors insisting on other routes.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 11):

I was trying to imply that route wouldn't pay, just like the first route the guy wanted.

Quoting GARPD (Reply 12):

New investors, do you know who?

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:13 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 13):

New investors, do you know who?

I don't know specifics.
Martin, the guy behind it all, has told me a few things. I'm not allowed to repeat them here, as I'm sure you'll understand.

Needless to say, new investors are on the scene, hence the dramatic change in tactics.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:57 am

Will be interested in seeing the two new routes which will be announced, together with the website launch in Monday.

As the aircraft appears to be IOM based, perhaps a fourth carrier on the high density IOM-MAN?  Wink

Any guesses? IOM-............?
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 14):
I'm not allowed to repeat them here, as I'm sure you'll understand

Exactly why should we believe anything he says or does? If he said Saturday follows Friday, I'd want a 2nd opinion.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 16):
Exactly why should we believe anything he says or does? If he said Saturday follows Friday, I'd want a 2nd opinion.

David

That is of course your prerogative.

But let me be clear in saying that, although I know precisely whats going on, I'm not saying anything is certain. In this industry there is no such thing.

The investors are in place. The plans have been drawn up and followed, everything, mostly everything, is in place. Just a few rough edges to trim and neaten up and AlphaOne should be good to go.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:20 pm

Good job the wesbite is only temporary as it seems to imply that people would rather jump off a cliff than fly SOU-IOM for fares of £99+*.  Smile

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:37 pm

Quoting GARPD (Reply 17):
Just a few rough edges to trim and neaten up and AlphaOne should be good to go.

I'll be amazed if they succeed. Our market is saturated at the moment. BE, T3 and 3W look after the business traffic pretty much, and U2, WW, LS et al, cover this and the leisure market too. Lets not even mention BD or BA either. For Alpha1 to succeed they will need something very different.

I'm not sure they can compete with small prop aircraft. If they start a service to a 'new' destination, I'd expect T3 and BE to muscle in and start similar operations in the not too distant future. Especially if thee is even a hint of success. IF that happens, it'll be bye-bye for Alpha1.


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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 19):
I'll be amazed if they succeed. Our market is saturated at the moment. BE, T3 and 3W look after the business traffic pretty much, and U2, WW, LS et al, cover this and the leisure market too. Lets not even mention BD or BA either. For Alpha1 to succeed they will need something very different.

I'm not sure they can compete with small prop aircraft. If they start a service to a 'new' destination, I'd expect T3 and BE to muscle in and start similar operations in the not too distant future. Especially if thee is even a hint of success. IF that happens, it'll be bye-bye for Alpha1.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 17):
The plans have been drawn up and followed, everything, mostly everything, is in place

Which plans are these? Plan A, Plan B, Plan C or any of the intervening plans upto Plan Z? He's giving bmi a good run for their money over which airline can come up with the most business strategies in a year.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 21):
Which plans are these? Plan A, Plan B, Plan C or any of the intervening plans upto Plan Z? He's giving bmi a good run for their money over which airline can come up with the most business strategies in a year.

Lets see you run an airline and see how tight you can stick to your original plan shale we?
Things change, the industry is always in motion. Rules and regulations change constantly, investors pull out, new ones come in.
Nothing is certain in this industry.

Once you have a running airline under your wing, then you have the right to question the competence of others. Untill then your nothing but an armchair CEO and have zero authority to call into question the competence of anyone who has the balls to try what Martin is doing.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:48 am

To be fair to the guy, at least he hasn't started and THEN changed plans. The industry what it is, I'd imagine it being very tough to get into even in a niche market such as Alpha1 intended to serve.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 23):
The industry what it is, I'd imagine it being very tough to get into even in a niche market such as Alpha1 intended to serve.

This is my point. He started off with a very good plan. But the industry is hard. Things changed and neccessitated Martin changing along with them.
Finaly, it seems he's got ahead and now has a foothold.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:51 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 13):
New investors, do you know who?

One of them is Mr. Mohammad Moinuddin, a Dubai-based hotel tycoon, who is putting USD 441,400.

This is according to a Zawya.com news article found here:

Dubai Investor Funds New Airline

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZA...tries/pagTransport/lok064800051024


Does anyone know what sort of 'flight simulation' business was Mr. Martin Halstead previously involved in? Being myself a flight simulation enthusiast (founded Eurostar Aviation VA in 1996) with keen interest in the aviation business, I can't help but admire Martin's courageous business entrepreneurship... he IS funding a major portion of his business from his own money.

Good luck to him.
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:21 pm

Any truth in the rumour I've heard that an Oxford-based investor (namely Sir Richard B himself) has also chucked money into this?
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:02 am

Interestingly, (the site isn't up yet), if you go into the T&Cs on the website, and click on the headings, you are transferred to the Euromanx website!
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:26 am

It is Euromanx that are operating, if you look to the bottom it says:

"©2005, Alpha One [Manx] Ltd"

and

"AlphaOne Airways Flights are operated by London Flight Centre (Stansted) Ltd."

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:30 am

Blimey! I thought you were talking about A1 that runs from Cairo VOR to Dean's Cross in Scotland...

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:50 pm

The Terms & Conditions are obviously taken from another operator (Euromanx?) and just the name changed. And they can't even do that properly as in some places its London Flight Centre (Stansted) Ltd and in others its London Flight Centre (Stansted Ltd) or (Stansted0 Ltd). Very poor image for what's supposed to be a statement of the Companies intent. Is this the way they intend to operate?? If it is they won't be round long.
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:26 pm

There have been interviews on 3FM news (local radio station) with Martin Halstead, with him saying he can make the route work. He said Euromanx were getting 18-25 people per flight, and Alpha1 will be using an 18 seat aircraft.

Yeasterday the radio station news also mentioned they were looking at other routes, I believe they said Edinburgh and Blackpool, but I could be wrong.
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:11 pm

Quoting GARPD (Reply 22):
Lets see you run an airline and see how tight you can stick to your original plan shale we? Once you have a running airline under your wing, then you have the right to question the competence of others. Untill then your nothing but an armchair CEO and have zero authority to call into question the competence of anyone who has the balls to try what Martin is doing.

Aha! So the other spotter in the "two plane spotters and an artist" who comprise AlphaOne's glee-club (as mentioned on PPRuNe) reveals himself.

GARPD - pretty much everything that has been said about AlphaOne (yes, I can say this here - by Martin himself) has been either (a) not delivered, (b) disinformation or (c) downright untruth. If you want to believe in an airline (or a supposed airline) where the guy who's meant to be in charge says:

a) He's going to fly a PA-31 between Oxford and Cambridge, then wants a Twin Otter or a Trislander, has acquired a Danish Jetstream that needs major refurbishment, back to PA-31s, then Jetstreams again, etc, etc, etc...

b) Is going to fly between Oxford and Cambridge, then the Isle of Wight and Manchester, Bristol and Birmingham, Brighton and somewhere, Southampton and the Isle of Man...

c) He is going to fly the line for the airline without an ATPL or even an instrument rating (yeah right, so services will only operate on VFR days???)...

d) Has funding coming from the US, the UK, his granny, his MS-FlightSim business, Dubai, etc...

If you really want to believe in all that, you're welcome. It comes across as self-seeking publicity s**t from a spotty teenager who's got nothing better to do than run rings around the press. I'd put more trust in a rowing boat than AlphaOne's proposed service to the Isle of Man, and at £99+tax each way starting on 7th November with no booking system yet in place, AlphaOne might as well be promising trips to the moon.

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:19 pm

Perhaps he should get a job with BMI  stirthepot 
Good luck to the guy anyway though
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 33):
Perhaps he should get a job with BMI

At least BMI management deliver on their plans, even if they're strange plans! Marting Halstead would make a good apprentice daft-ideas man for BMI though  Wink

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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting Gg190 (Reply 31):
There have been interviews on 3FM news (local radio station) with Martin Halstead, with him saying he can make the route work. He said Euromanx were getting 18-25 people per flight, and Alpha1 will be using an 18 seat aircraft.

Yeasterday the radio station news also mentioned they were looking at other routes, I believe they said Edinburgh and Blackpool, but I could be wrong.

At long last BLK now seems to have been informed of this airline's intentions! From http://www.blackpooltoday.co.uk/View...spx?SectionID=63&ArticleID=1244919

"Teenage business sensation Martin Halstead last month announced he was in talks with City Hopper Airports to start flights to the Isle of Man from Blackpool later this month.
But at a press launch of the new Blackpool to Malaga service yesterday, one airport chief said he was only told of the new route this week!
Despite the news, Paul Whelan, executive chairman of City Hopper, said he was delighted to hear that a new airline was interested in taking off from Squires Gate.
The 19-year-old hotshot businessman has said Blackpool is top of his hit list in destinations for his Alpha One airline which made its maiden flight from Southampton to Douglas two weeks ago."

Perhaps someone may want to confirm that latter paragraph?

David
 
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RE: Alpha One Airways Nears Launch

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 32):
If you really want to believe in all that, you're welcome. It comes across as self-seeking publicity s**t from a spotty teenager who's got nothing better to do than run rings around the press.

It's perhaps telling that the serious aviation press doesn't seem to be biting. But then I heard the young fellow on Sky the other day, claiming that passengers won't be able to tell the difference between being in a Jetstream and a 737...

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