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International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:04 pm

I know the runway at Berne is quite short. Dan Air was the sole operator to London for many years utilising their BAE146 which was the only jet capable of using Berne.

Does Swiss have any prescence at all at Berne? Which airlines and which destinations are connected to the Swiss capital?
 
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RE: International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:14 pm

There's Darwin Airline which flies to London City and Lugano with Saab2000 and there is Lufthansa which flies to Munich with Dash-8.

There are a few charter flights as well, operated by Sky Work Airlines, Darwin and Cirrus with the Emb-170.

SWISS is not flying to/from Berne.  Silly

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RE: International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:15 pm

Oh, if I remeber correctly, flybe announced some (seasonal?) services to BRN.
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RE: International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:37 pm

As RJ100 says correctly, LX has no more presence at Berne, as obviously there business case doesn't include any Swiss airports except ZRH.

At the moment we do have LH 3 times a day to/from MUC. Those flights are now operated by AirDolomiti, the funny part is that it will soon be a LH/LX codeshare as all LX flights getting LH numbers. They actually use the ATR42-500 but the intention is, once the crews have the experience at BRN, to use also the ATR72 as specially the morning flights BRN-MUC and the evening one MUC-BRN are consequently sold out.

Darwin Airline flies LUG-BRN-LCY, for the moment once a day. Yesterday was the official press conference and the second daily flight to LCY was launched. The schedule is now LUG-BRN-LCY-BRN in the morning and BRN-LCY-BRN-LUG in the evening. For the winter season those flights are flown on behalf of Darwin by Skywork Airlines, using their Do328. In April it will be back to the SAAB 2000. As the plane stays several hours on ground in BRN during the morning and the evening rotation, the SAAB will perform an extensive charter program next year going to several Mediterranean destinations.
Cirrus used to due it this year with the EMB170 but is out of business for next year. Olbia will additionally be served next year by AirDolomiti, using a RJ85 and Preveza by an Aegean RJ100, both flights once weekly during summer season.

This winter we get the first time two seasonal scheduled routed, BHX-BRN-BHX with a Q400 and SOU-BRN-SOU with an RJ100, both destinations three times weekly by FlyBe. There is an additional winter charter program that was never more extensive before, also bringing Titan Airways with the BAe146 and more FlyBe's, most of them on Saturday. The Malev F70 was unfortunately cancelled due to lack of aircraft. You may also check out www.alpar.ch or www.flughafenbern.ch which is leading you to the same page and giving more information.

It seems that BRN is over the worst after all those airlines leaving over the last years, just remembering Crossair/Swiss, Swisswings, Air Alps, EAE, Intersky, Cirrus on scheduled and for sure Dan Air. The airport management is currently negotiating with several airlines, like AF, BA and OS. I hope, I can post some good news in the near future.

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RE: International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:49 pm

Dont forget Air Engiadina - the excellent Dornier 328 operator who had quite a dense network from Berne and Geneva. Flew them once from LCY.
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RE: International Destination From Berne

Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:49 pm

Good news. Glad to see more operators at Berne. I dont understand why an airline based in Lugano is called Darwin airline. Surely a more Swiss name or Lugano air would be more appropriate.

If most people were asked to name which Country Darwin airline operated, they wouldnt say Switzerland!

Still full credit to Darwin for supporting operations from Lugano and Berne as Swiss dosent seem interested in any airport in Switzerland except Zurich.
 
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RE: International Destination From Berne

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:16 am

@Legacy135: Do you happen to know how many aircraft Darwin is operating at the moment and if they get some additional ones?

There is currently one flying for SWISS but in full Darwin colours (HB-IZZ) so it seems that this aircraft goes to Darwin after October31.

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RE: International Destination From Berne

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 6):
Legacy135: Do you happen to know how many aircraft Darwin is operating at the moment and if they get some additional ones?

There is currently one flying for SWISS but in full Darwin colors (HB-IZZ) so it seems that this aircraft goes to Darwin after October31.

As far as I know, they got a third one for this LUG-ZRH-LUG flights which seems to be the HB-IZZ. I haven't seen this plane yet in Berne but was told that they received it. The capacity they are going to get free from the actual LCY operation will be used to adjust the actual network with more frequencies. For spring they should then receive another SAAB that will fly then the flights from LUG to BRN and LCY plus the charter program.

There was another rumor that said that Darwin pays it's aircraft at the moment very expensive to LX. According to the rumor those rates came down now drastically as LX is going to phase out it's SAAB fleet and had to realize that the demand for the type is not as they expected. Darwin seems now to study other options to eventually ad more planes to it's fleet as the moment to get those SAAB 2000's seems to be good. There was already a study for the BRN-AMS route but unfortunately KLM doesn't want to codeshare at the moment with any new partner. As AF is also in negotiation at the moment there is the option that AF could do it with a ATR (Airlinair?) or with the SAAB 2000 of Darwin.

BA gave a first answer and indicated their interest in the Swiss market from/to Berne. Fleetwise they only have a 737 available and this plane suffers major payload restrictions with the "Bernese 1510 meters". So the extension of 220 meters more to the South is a top theme at the airport management at the moment.

I think the next months will stay quite interesting. Take care and

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