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Penthouses At 30,000 Feet- Private Heavies Article

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:48 am

If this was already posted please ignore. I didn't see it in a search.

From here: http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/widebody_1.html
Penthouses at 30,000 Feet
BusinessWeek Online, By Carol Matlack

"These airborne penthouses cost plenty. New widebodies, such as the Airbus A340 and the Boeing 777, list for well over $100 million. A customized interior adds $25 million to $30 million, . . . it's no surprise that only five or six such planes are sold each year. . . . "

"some businesspeople now use their aircraft as a base of operations on overseas business trips. Rather than going to a hotel or office after landing, they just stay onboard. . . . "

"Another motivation, it seems, is one-upmanship. "As soon as someone gets one of these [big planes], others want it," Doret says. So it's not surprising that some clients are already eyeing the biggest plane of all: the doubledecker Airbus A380, . . . "

Some cool designs: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05...aft/index_01.htm?campaign_id=yahoo

What an experience that would be!

[Edited 2005-10-22 03:56:58]
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:54 am

what a waste that would be!
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:14 am

Really obscene  Sad

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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:21 am

Actually, really, really tacky interiors.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:42 am

Gosh! What negative replies. For people with access to a few billion US$, this is like a typical middle class splurging on an oversized gas guzzling SUV. I would agree that the money could be better spent, to serve the world better . . . but that ain't gonna happen.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:53 am

If I am correct, Mr. Harari, whom was a former PM of Lebanon and was assinated earlier this year had his own/personal 777. Then again, look at AF1, AF2, aircraft - the ultimate executive aircraft.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:33 pm

If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:34 pm

I don't know why you people are complaining. If I had the money it I would be flying one of those around everywhere. I don't care if the money could be better spent on world peace or whatever you want to spend it on. I would just look down and say "I don't give a shit" as I fly over!
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:59 pm

I would not even have a house. live on my plane full time! Now just imagine you could fly her too!
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:03 pm

Those are muy awsome, but if i had to fly the aircraft, I'd choose an Embraer Legacy, or a Gulfstream Private Jet. They, on my opinion, would be easier to fly than an A380/777. You could also land at smaller airports to avoid congestion.

[Edited 2005-10-22 07:03:59]
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:15 pm

I wish I could be so tacky..... actually the Donald's 727 is one of the faster private a/c out here... excellent choice IMO... time is money
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:51 pm

a friend of mine who works for customs and border patrol told me that the man who owns "the limited" clothing stores in the us has a private 747. he arrives through cmh frequently and almost always late at night. whle i love the 747, i think this is a bit extreme. and for the record i'm a middle class american who loves his big gas guzzling suv.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting Lono (Reply 10):
actually the Donald's 727 is one of the faster private a/c out here... excellent choice IMO... time is money

So is the fuel and pilot bill for that hog (oooh, I am about to get flamed for defaming the beloved 727)
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:45 pm

If I had that sort of money, my only question is which type do I buy.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:09 pm

Not all aircraft designs need to be tacky. Someone who had as much taste as money bought a Falcon 900 designed by famous Aussie Marc Newson:


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http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...%22+falcon+900b+registration&hl=de

It was on the market some while ago for a mere 21.5 M $ - but hey, that includes a Nespresso coffee machine AND a Sharp microwave!

[Edited 2005-10-22 14:13:32]
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:05 pm

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 11):
a friend of mine who works for customs and border patrol told me that the man who owns "the limited" clothing stores in the us has a private 747. he arrives through cmh frequently and almost always late at night.

Les Wexner, Limited Brands owner, has a private 737 he parks at CMH.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:43 pm

If u had the cash...get a BBJ or a BBJII.

anything bigger is a waist....there are ego machines.

The BBJ can fly just as far as a normal 767er and a BBJII can fly just as far as a normal 767.

So why get anything bigger..had a BBJ fly from Vegas to London non-stop and London to Jo'burg.

Smaller jets do go to smaller airports...but if u can afford it. flaunt it !
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:52 pm

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RE: Penthouses At 30,000 Feet- Private Heavies Article

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 6):
If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?

Personally, I think if you can afford it, go for it. It's simply more money in the pockets of the aircraft manufacturers.

However I would venture a guess that the answer to your question would be: Because AF1 and Marine 1 are official transport aircraft of the United States Government, not some wealthy individual. Presidents come and go. They don't get to keep AF1 when they leave office.
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 6):
If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?


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Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:00 am

Quote from the article: "Not all the fun is family-style: New York designer Doret says one of his clients wants to install a pole in his plane so he can watch strippers dance."


HAHAHHAHAHA
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RE: Penthouses At 30,000 Feet- Private Heavies Article

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 4):
I would agree that the money could be better spent, to serve the world better . . . but that ain't gonna happen.

well, let's see....

the owner has to buy a large durable good from a corporation that employed thousands to build this item.... = good paying jobs in manufacturing

the owner must employ at least three full time pilots, a half dozen flight attendants and another half dozen technicians/handlers (perhaps through contract services)... 12 to 15 people with fulltime employment due to this aircraft

the owner will keep this airplane at some airfield and will probably have a hangar for the airplane (Paul Allen has one for his two 757's). Maintenance and manning for the hangar, plus the security necessary for the facility employs another 5 to 10 people on a longterm with more for the shortterm when they build or modify the hangar.

the wasteful venture will use up consumables for it's flights at an impressive rate. fuel vendors, catering outfits, tire manufacturers, and other support services.

None of this counts the businesses that are patronized by the people that directly and indirectly work on the airplane such as supermarkets, car dealerships, schools, etc.

An airplane like this is perhaps an exercise in vanity, but it does alot of good for the economy....a good deal more than simply taking that money and directly redistributing the cash. This is an ongoing proposition and proof that aviation is good for the economy.

[Edited 2005-10-22 17:31:12]
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:51 am

In a German aerospace magazine I read an article about a company designing VIP interiors. They said they already got a request for a A380VIP, but the customer wants to see how it performs as he wants to fly from the Gulf area to HNL nonstop. I´m sure it´ll happen.

But for myself, I´d prefer an Il-62. Enough space, good range, stunning field performance, 4 engines and a classic aircraft. What could you want more. bigthumbsup 
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:51 am

It has to be a Tristar.

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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:22 am

As long as the owners made the money legally (not steal it like some owners), paid the taxes no reason why people should not have private planes of any size. Think of it this way - how may of us - given the resources - would pass the opportunity of buying and operating a private 707/320/340/380? Or even better a fighet jet like Mr. Ellison (of the Oracle fame). Most people conspicuosly consume - respecting the proportions who needs a Maybach limo when a Kia woudl do? Same concepts applies in planes.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:31 am

I would want a BBj or BBJII as well...perfect for North America and across the ponds...however I would need to charter a private 757 (like N801DM) if I wanted to take a few of my friends along country hopping...also a GIV would be nice for the short trips to the Texas coast, fly into the smaller airports with SHORT runways.

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Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:05 am

To the people who think it's a waste: It's their money to spend how they see fit. I don't see people telling you that the way you spend your money is wasteful.

What's amazing to me is the time that it takes to get one of these aircraft. First, you have to get a delivery slot from Boeing or Airbus. Then you have to have a design made, approved, the pieces manufactured, certified, and installed. It can take years to get one of these aircraft with the interior installed.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:05 am

If i was rich enough I'd buy one and live in it in a second.....
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:20 am

My dad, who flys on private jets often, told me that there was a 747 parked at Akron Canton that belongs to a TV evangelist. His name slips me. I think that is terrible. I wish the local TV people would do a story on him and his 747 so the poor people who send him money would stop sending money.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 22):
In a German aerospace magazine I read an article about a company designing VIP interiors. They said they already got a request for a A380VIP, but the customer wants to see how it performs as he wants to fly from the Gulf area to HNL nonstop. I´m sure it´ll happen.

There where rumours during the paris airshow that someone had bought a private 380.

DXB-HNL is 13730 km. That wouldn't be hard for a private 380.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 6):
If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?

I oppose it for anything within the range of the AF's 757's. There's no need for any intra-US flights to be on a 747, and don't go giving me the crap about it needs the range to stay up in the air indefinitely and all that, because there's no way on Earth that the entire country would be unsafe to land at the same time.

Quoting Tcfc424 (Reply 25):
.also a GIV would be nice for the short trips to the Texas coast, fly into the smaller airports with SHORT runways.

Check the Gulfstream Website, as far as runways go I think I'd rather have the BBJ, same basic access... much more room. But then again, even if I had that kind of coin, I'd only have a Legacy. Hey Legacy135, want to switch jobs? lol.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:46 am

Sometimes the economics are better than you might imagine. For instance flying something like a 763ER with staff aboard can work out much more effective than flying them all first class, especially if you can hold meetings and work en route in privacy.

Don't forget these people often rate their time in hundreds of thousands of dollars an hour for the really wealthy like Abramovitch or the Microsoft guys. There is also chartering income to be made for the time that the aircraft is available.

Royal aircraft are a different matter altogether as that's a State thing, same with Government planes like Air Force One and the Kuwaitis/Saudis. But for business use sometimes a bigger bird can earn its keep by being a flying hotel and office. Even more a flying meeting space which has a guarantee of some privacy when it's in the air.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 29):
DXB-HNL is 13730 km. That wouldn't be hard for a private 380.

I know and I agree. Don´t know why that should be an issue.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):
My dad, who flys on private jets often, told me that there was a 747 parked at Akron Canton that belongs to a TV evangelist. His name slips me. I think that is terrible. I wish the local TV people would do a story on him and his 747 so the poor people who send him money would stop sending money.

His name was Rex Hummbard and they don't do the story because he died more than a few years ago. BTW his ministry failed about the time cable tv hit it big and the likes of PTL and others started cutting into his pot. He was in the process of building a church on the top of a big smokestack affair, something akin to the Stratosphere out in Vegas. He ran out of money and Rex's "Tower of Power" stands there unfinished, I believe to this day. I also believe that the aircraft, and I think it was a 707, was used to ferry items to his missions all over the world, not as his personal jet.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 33):
His name was Rex Hummbard

I think the 747 belongs to someone else. I know of the Rex guy and his tower. I think the tower is a buffet now. My dad says the 747 was seen parked at Akron Canton recently. He also knows his planes. He is retired higher up of an aerospace firm. Next time I visit my dad in Canton I will try and get a photo of the plane and post it on this site.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 21):
the owner will keep this airplane at some airfield and will probably have a hangar for the airplane (Paul Allen has one for his two 757's).

Where is this at? Is it at SEA or BFI, or is it somewhere else?

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):
My dad, who flys on private jets often, told me that there was a 747 parked at Akron Canton that belongs to a TV evangelist. His name slips me. I think that is terrible. I wish the local TV people would do a story on him and his 747 so the poor people who send him money would stop sending money.

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Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:32 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 34):
I think the 747 belongs to someone else.

You're right. I just talked to a friend of mine who works at CAK and the plane belongs to Earnest Angley. According to my friend it's a big white 747 and he does use it for his personal use. I didn't even think he preached up in Ohio. Shows you how long it's been since I've lived up there.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 7):
I don't know why you people are complaining.

They're complaining because you'd first have to sell your soul to make that kind of money and you'd then have to ignore your conscience to spend it so frivolously.

Quoting JAXFLL (Reply 26):
To the people who think it's a waste: It's their money to spend how they see fit. I don't see people telling you that the way you spend your money is wasteful.

The rich and powerful don't need you to protect them from any middle-class dissenters. Why you would defend those who need no defense is beyond me.


Edited to add: There's nothing wrong with dreaming of owning a heavy for your own personal use, but actually buying one just so you could fly off to wherever and brag about it to your clients, coworkers, friends, and family is a bit much for some people (like me) to swallow.

[Edited 2005-10-23 03:06:33]
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:45 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 7):
I would just look down and say "I don't give a shit" as I fly over!

Don't worry, the people who will make sure you never get that chance are doing it to you.....right now.

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 11):
and for the record i'm a middle class american who loves his big gas guzzling suv.

The "wealthy Middle Eastern client who wants to buy an A380 for personal use" sends his thanks.  Yeah sure
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