kaneporta1
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BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:52 am

I bought a BA ticket a few days ago and found out that it was a qualifying fare to join the executive club. And so I did. I am a semi-frequent traveler, I fly about 8-10 return trips per year so I thought, why not. Anyway, I was checking how to earn and redeem miles and found out that:

-Discount economy tickets only get 25% of the miles flown.
-To upgrade one class from economy using miles, only a full fare economy ticket is eligible for upgrades. I can't see how this works since a premium economy ticket costs LESS than a full fare economy ticket.
-Part miles part cash option is only valid for economy tickets.
-Very few non-airline partners.

Even the BA American express card gives 1 mile per pound (about $1.8) spent compared to the AA card that is 1 mile per $1.

I've been looking at a couple of other FF programs (AA, UA, VS) and they seem a lot better.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:31 pm

Personally I find the Exec Club to work really well for me although that is becuase I fly on premium fares. For the semi-frequent flyer on cheapo tickets the Exec Club is poor.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Thread starter):
Even the BA American express card gives 1 mile per pound (about $1.8) spent compared to the AA card that is 1 mile per $1.

Look at the different Amex cards. I've got the Premium Plus and it earns 1.5 BA miles per GBP.

For UK issued airline affinity credit cards 1 mile per GBP is pretty standard.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:41 pm

Can't you just collect miles flown with BA in Iberia's FF?
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:55 pm

I agree. Flying in economy with discounted tickets won't get you far with Exec Club.
 
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:40 pm

Well other FF progrems are becoming like Exec Club. On discounted economy fares on Lufthansa you on ly get 175 miles compared to the minimum of 1000 of a standard fare. On BA you get 195, so it is even better than LH.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:50 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 1):
I've got the Premium Plus and it earns 1.5 BA miles per GBP.

for 120 pounds card fee per year, I'd rather purchase those extra miles. It will come cheaper.

So far, all American carriers give 100% of miles flown in economy and also have about a billion partners to earn even more. In Europe most airlines offer that 100%, but it seems there aren't many more ways to earn a few extra miles.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:59 pm

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 5):
for 120 pounds card fee per year, I'd rather purchase those extra miles. It will come cheaper.

Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:39 pm

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 5):
So far, all American carriers give 100% of miles flown in economy and also have about a billion partners to earn even more. In Europe most airlines offer that 100%, but it seems there aren't many more ways to earn a few extra miles.

Executive Club is really a bigger version of United Global Services. Basically, if you do fly on enough high end tickets, they will give you the keys to the the whole place. If you don't, they give you basically nothing. Elite status on US carriers might give you a 1 class upgrade on domestic flights (SWUs for 1Ks on United), plus lounge access on internationals (usually second tier and higher), but is not much more than that.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:15 pm

I agree: BA are crap for those of us who can't afford premium fares. I earnt some miles and tier points on LAN about 6 months ago. It took them 6 months to credit them - and then removed the tier points straight away because they had "expired" in June when my membership year ended! Huh? I couldn't use them because they were too slow awarding them, and when they did reward them, I still couldn't use them because the year ran out?!?!?!

CO, though, are very good.

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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:47 pm

Perhaps they're aiming EC at the premium traveller? Business is where BA makes a substantial part of their income.
 
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:08 pm

To get on the Exec club 'ladder' is very difficult, but once you 'make it' it offers some of the best rewards of any FF club, I've been told.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:51 pm

If you read BA's blurb on the Executive Club, it is designed specifically to reward the frequent business traveller. It isn't an out-and-out FF program. There are no automatic upgrades or free tickets. Yes, if you travel economy on a discounted ticket (as I do when I'm paying!) then you get poor miles. However, if you are Gold level, then you get a lot of bonus miles.

I've been Gold level for two years and have only been upgraded once on BA (this week as it happens, from "World Traveller" to "World Traveller Plus". Previously, my only upgrade when I was still only Silver level, was on IB from CCS to MAD - economy to business (very nice!)

You can get higher levels of rewards with the BA Amex card, but you have to pay an annual fee (not cheap!)
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting HS748 (Reply 6):
Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

Exactly, it gets cheaper the more you use it, and you get 3 BA miles per GBP spent with BA  thumbsup 


Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Well other FF progrems are becoming like Exec Club. On discounted economy fares on Lufthansa you on ly get 175 miles compared to the minimum of 1000 of a standard fare. On BA you get 195, so it is even better than LH.

Minimum earning per flight is 125 miles on discount tickets and 500 on premium.


Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 10):
To get on the Exec club 'ladder' is very difficult, but once you 'make it' it offers some of the best rewards of any FF club, I've been told.

I wouldn't say it is difficult by any means, but the rewards are better. BA Silver/OW Sapphire has the same benefits as *A Gold.
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:00 am

I'd have to agree that BA's Executive Club program has its limitations :

1. BA's flights are pretty full on the sectors I fly (JFK - Europe, Asia) so upgrades are rare. CO, VS and AA upgrades are a lot easier. On Gold status, I averaged less than one upgrade a year, so the upgrade value of this FF program was low for me.

2. Lounge Access and Premium Check-In are great benefits if you are traveling WT - a Silver level benefit. However, if you are traveling Club, this is of no value.

3. UK-based members are able to get to a higher tier level sooner than their US counterparts. This is both because of reward structure and the opportunity to fly short hops.

4. BA is not part of AMEX membership miles, which would be a huge plus.

5. Tier points and mileage accounting seem to err in BA's favor, unless you fly simple iteneraries in J and F.

5. If you've been a Gold level holder for ten years, and then have no reason to fly the next year, you start at the bottom again. You can be loyal to BA, but BA isn't very loyal to you! (True also for most FF programs.)

6. If you do a part miles part cash J ticket, they don't let you use the Arrivals Lounge at LHR. This was my personal low point experience with EC.

Overall, the US FFs feel friendlier and more forthcoming. Perhaps BA's popularity is also its undoing.

I think BA should revamp its EC USA to send a clearer message that it appreciates its business customers.
 
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:04 am

The whole point of the BAEC is to reward premium passengers - and it does that very well.

If you're a Silver or (even more so) Gold EC member BA do make a special effort to smooth your journey and assist with any problems you have even when you're travelling on deep discount tickets.

Anyway, if you research your ticket options carefully enough it's really not that much of a challenge to make Silver every year - you just need a detailed knowledge of which fares get points.
 
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:02 am

If BA were to award more miles to the lower fares, its costs from the programme would increase substantially. It is called the Executive Club for a good reason, to reward those travelling on full fare tickets , and it seems to do it well. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why BA is more profitable than other airlines.

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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 6):
Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

That's not entirely true, the simple, no annual fee credit card, gives 12000 miles each year. In order to get the extra 6000 miles of the premium card you need to pay 120 pounds. It costs about the same to buy the extra miles, so the premium card isn't all that great. And compared to American cards, 12000 pounds = $21220 that would give 21220 miles, almost the amount of miles needed for a return trip to anywhere in Europe (25000 miles needed).
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Highpeaklad (Reply 15):
If BA were to award more miles to the lower fares, its costs from the programme would increase substantially. It is called the Executive Club for a good reason, to reward those travelling on full fare tickets , and it seems to do it well. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why BA is more profitable than other airlines.

Absolutely! The Exec Club simply isn't aimed at leisure passengers who mainly use the Traveller cabins. The majority of BA's profits come from business passengers - hence they, along with top-end leisure travellers, are the ones who gain more rewards for their loyalty.

To me it seems sensible rather than unfair.
 
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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
3. UK-based members are able to get to a higher tier level sooner than their US counterparts.

Not true, US EC members have the same tier levels (600pts for Silver & 1500pts for Gold) as UK and the rest of the world. Only continental European members have the ease of only earning 400pts for Silver and 800pts for Gold.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
6. If you do a part miles part cash J ticket, they don't let you use the Arrivals Lounge at LHR. This was my personal low point experience with EC.

Not true either. The lounge wardens fed you a duffer on that one.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 16):
That's not entirely true, the simple, no annual fee credit card, gives 12000 miles each year. In order to get the extra 6000 miles of the premium card you need to pay 120 pounds. It costs about the same to buy the extra miles, so the premium card isn't all that great.

Presuming you charge that amount, I've charged almost 100,000 to it in the last year and the extra 50,000 miles I've earned have certainly been worth the extra fee.

BTW, you don't need to spend 120GBP on the annual fee. If you've an Amex Plat or Centurion it's free, and also do a search for Premium Plus 1, Premium Plus 2 and Premium Plus 3 in the terms and conditions of the card  

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RE: BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?

Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 19):
Presuming you charge that amount, I've charged almost 100,000 to it in the last year and the extra 50,000 miles I've earned have certainly been worth the extra fee.

Maybe you're in the royal family or won the lotto or something, but the job I'm starting in 2 weeks is gonna pay me 21k a year, so 12k a year on the amex card is way more realistic for me.
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