godbless
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SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:54 am

I once heard that SK wasn't too pleased with the fact that LH took over all their stations in Germany but that they by contract would have to live with that until 2006.
Is it known already what SAS will do after the end of it? Will we see them open up their own [old] stations again?
Will Lufthansa also go independent again in the SK-countries?

Thank you in advance,

Max
 
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:23 am

Why would they want to? Surely one of the benefits of being in an alliance is that you don't have to have the expense of using your own staff at every station.
 
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:33 am

I am pretty sure that this will not happen. SAS can save a lot of money by not having own staff at stations/sales offices etc. AFAIK we have only two people working in FRA doing mainly sales. However, the quality would of course be better by having own staff... But unfortunately, as far as stations are concerned, SAS is trying to get rid of as many staff as possible. It was just announced a few days ago that all ATOs (HZ offices) in Sweden at smaller domestic stations will be closed mid November... How bad! And even international stations (where we still have own station staff) are not safe to servive. It's just so much cheaper to have LH done all this stuff...  Sad
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:26 pm

Quoting GodBless (Thread starter):
once heard that SK wasn't too pleased with the fact that LH took over all their stations in Germany but that they by contract would have to live with that until 2006.

Don't know about this but I do know that Lufthansa is not very satisfied with SAS' service reductions on board and on the ground, especially on routes which are operated under codeshare agreement between Scandinavia and Germany. According to agreement (or so I've heard), service levels and benefits should be equal between SAS and LH on those routes which they no longer are. This is one of the reasons SAS haven't been able to introduce the new lower 650 SEK oneway fares to Germany yet (except to Hamburg and Berlin, thanks to "negotiations going better than expected").
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:39 pm

Actually LH should look closely at SK economy concept.
I don't see the point with LH why one is forced to pay over 1000EUR for a mid week two day trip in Europe while getting the same service standard as someone who paid 149EUR.
While SAS their Economy Flex option is good as you pay a higher fare, but get higher service with it. Win Win for the airline and customer.
 
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting B727230 (Reply 3):
Don't know about this but I do know that Lufthansa is not very satisfied with SAS' service reductions on board and on the ground, especially on routes which are operated under codeshare agreement between Scandinavia and Germany. According to agreement (or so I've heard), service levels and benefits should be equal between SAS and LH on those routes which they no longer are. This is one of the reasons SAS haven't been able to introduce the new lower 650 SEK oneway fares to Germany yet (except

I completely agree with this. As of now SAS really is becoming a LCC with the exception that they dont always offer fares on a LCC level.
 
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting SULUK (Reply 2):
I am pretty sure that this will not happen. SAS can save a lot of money by not having own staff at stations/sales offices etc. AFAIK we have only two people working in FRA doing mainly sales. However, the quality would of course be better by having own staff...

Similarly, SK sales team (In Estonia I guess) is doing LH Finland sales, none of them have any clue about LH products let alone SEN/HON benefits. It's completely appalling really.
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:33 am

SAS is def not becoming a LCC. I just have the feeling they are doing the right thing - this is what flying (in Europe) will be like in the future. Paying for your food, oneway tickets, self CKIN, booking on the internet and overall simplified travel by air. Don't get me wrong, I wished flying and the airline business would be as it was 10 or 20 years ago... But we cannot change this anymore.
Here a few arguments why SAS is way away from being a LCC:
- FFP EuroBonus
- Star Alliance member
- IATA carrier (interline agreements)
- own station/sales staff worldwide
- own technical service
- network carrier
- codeshare agreements
- C/Y/M cabin
- e-services such as ETKT, TP, Internet CKIN etc.
- a real airline name showing the company's origin (Scandinavian Airlines)  Smile
- etc, etc, etc, the list would go on
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RE: SAS To Reopen Stations, Taken Over By LH, In 2006?

Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:33 pm

I thought that there was something in the making that made it look as if SK and LH would do their own things at the respective other airlines home-countries, without ending the alliance.
But it for sure doesn't seem so then...

Max