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US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:48 am

Out of 38 stations that were home to both US and HP, 13 have successfully transitioned to all-US. This leaves 25 remaining, and November will see nine more.
The schedule looks like:

Nov. 2 - LAX (US club to be reopened)
Nov. 9 - MKE
Nov. 10 - IND
Nov. 10 - MIA
Nov. 16 - DTW
Nov. 16 - RDU
Nov. 17 - CMH
Nov. 30 - ATL
Nov. 30 - DCA
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:20 am

Anyone know if this will free up any gates in LAX T1 now?
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 1):
Anyone know if this will free up any gates in LAX T1 now?

Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:47 am

Does anyone know what is going to happen at ORD?
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:44 am

How about MSP?

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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:25 am

Well, at ORD, America West gates will join the exist US Airways gate therefore the ticket Counter which is obviously at Terminal 2 so that shouldn't be a problem.
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:51 am

At IND is there room in that US/UA concourse to add the (couple?) HP flights as well?? Seems like every time I'm through there (though admittedly I'm primarily on CO/NW through there... only UA/US when the stars are aligned against me so to speak) that all those gates are always full.
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:41 pm

When will America West at JFK be known as US at JFK? THe signs gates etc?
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:03 pm

MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:12 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.

Yes will help with busier HP having access to former US Air gates which on their own have pretty poor utilization due to the carrier LAX schedule.
I think the only thing SWA would like to negotiate is a way to get HP/US to move out of T-1 completely. More realistically however, yes some gate swaps could indeed take place maybe possibly even netting SWA another gate or access to gates during certain periods of the day. As is HP's current gates were previously swapped with Southwest to allow SWA have complete reign of the Eastside of T-1.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:17 pm

At MSP, I heard that with the departure of TZ, US is in negotiations with the MAC to get E-4, hopefully moving in before Christmas. This would give US E-2 and E-4.
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 10):

Ahh...Makes sense, thanks for the update!
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:44 pm

In MCO, America West supposed to move and combine operations with US Airways, but it seems to have been put on hold.

The airport put back up the America West signs in Terminal A with Continental - which it took down last week.

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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.

Like Laxintl said, unless they are moving out completely, there is not really a way of doing this. As is, WN parks on opposite sides, so unless HP/US wants to shuffle down to the bottom of the west side of T1 and give the west side and the end of the terminal to WN, I don't see it happening. Additionally, US has the widebody gates at T1, which allows them to park a 767 doing a turn, so they may indeed want to remain mindful of that.

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8):
MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!

While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over

N1120A...Thanks for the peice on info, I did not realize that.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:11 am

Does this mean that these stations will no longer have flights to PHX and LAS? What does it mean all US? or does that mean simply that the HP station will be consolidated with US (ticket counter, gate, etc.)?
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 15):
or does that mean simply that the HP station will be consolidated with US (ticket counter, gate, etc.)?

Yes.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8):
MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!

I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over

While that's indeed a problem at a few airports where HP is a signatory carrier, it's not a problem at airports where HP subleases from another carrier or is handled by another carrier--those agreements are all very short-term. As you said, it's not an issue at all for US, as they were (and actually still are for another month) able to get out of airport leases through their bankruptcy.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17):
I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..

All airlines do it. US itself subleases gates and/or handles flights for a number of its competitors.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8):
MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!

From what I've heard, the HP gate is leased from the MAC.

Quoting USFlyerMSP (Reply 10):
At MSP, I heard that with the departure of TZ, US is in negotiations with the MAC to get E-4, hopefully moving in before Christmas. This would give US E-2 and E-4.

We know for sure that FL will be getting a 2nd gate at MSP. I haven't seen anything official from the MAC, but some news reports said it was the TZ gate.

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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:57 am

Will CO run the gate for the new US @ OKC, since they ran for HP @ OKC?
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting Delta767 (Reply 15):
What does it mean all US? or does that mean simply that the HP station will be consolidated with US (ticket counter, gate, etc.)?

Well, it either means HP will be consolidated with US where US is stronger (BOS comes to mind) but that US will go where HP is in places like PHX and LAS

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17):
I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..

Happens all the time

Quoting A330323X (Reply 18):
While that's indeed a problem at a few airports where HP is a signatory carrier

HP shouldn't really be a problem, as they are the controlling carrier

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Will CO run the gate for the new US @ OKC, since they ran for HP @ OKC?

If they want to keep the revenue they will
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:31 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics

Don't look for Southwest to negotiate anything that would help USAir streamline it operation.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:43 am

I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..

The gates that HP leases from NW in MSP currently are C15 and C16 for the other two RON aircraft that come in from LAS and PHX at night. C9 is the gate in MSP that HP leases from the MAC.
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:48 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
Don't look for Southwest to negotiate anything that would help USAir streamline it operation.

If it streamlines WN's operation as well, I am sure they could find common ground.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:32 am

At MSP, I hear US is getting E-4 and the MAC is going to make F9 share E-5 w/ FL because they are not in compliance with the minimum usage clause in all MSP gate leases.

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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting MSP" class=quote target=_blank>USFlyer MSP (Reply 25):
At MSP, I hear US is getting E-4 and the MAC is going to make F9 share E-5 w/ FL because they are not in compliance with the minimum usage clause in all MSP gate leases.

Thats probably the best solution if the schedules can be coordinated. With the current schedules F9 has a 6:30a dept while FL has a 6:20a and 7:00a dept.

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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:54 pm

what's the situation now in philly, i mean with hp before using D6/D8/D10, i know those gates were shared with co since co did all the handling, but i know that was only because co didnt use those gates as much as they should have been. on another topic here, word was that ua was giving up gates as well in the D concourse, are we to think that swa will be moving in further? what gates are hp a/c using in phl, any specfic, or just all throughout the us terminals
 
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:07 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 27):
what gates are hp a/c using in phl, any specfic, or just all throughout the us terminals

Generally some combination of B5/B7/B9. US obviously still uses the gates as well.
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RE: US Airways November Conversion Schedule

Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting Av8rPHX (Reply 23):
The gates that HP leases from NW in MSP currently are C15 and C16 for the other two RON aircraft that come in from LAS and PHX at night. C9 is the gate in MSP that HP leases from the MAC.

Recently, USAirways has been parking planes here as well. The RON ZW CRJ's that come in from Philly have been parked here for RON, as well as during the day.