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Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:31 am

At least according to Reuters, any 777s?
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:42 am

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:45 am

Good stuff. The 787 is inching ever so close to 300 commitments. Currently at 295 with these two converted options.
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:07 am

Must admit I was expecting a larger combined 777/787 order.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:44 am

The announcement as advised to the NZ Stock Exchange..
http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/by_

It seems to me that NZ is waiting on Boeings decision whether to proceed or not with the 747ADV.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:46 am

Great news for ANZ and Boeing.
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:04 am

This is only a teaser guys, there is a bigger announcement coming. I just can't tell you what is in it - yet.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:11 am

SunriseValley, your link is broken.
Click here instead

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
This is only a teaser guys, there is a bigger announcement coming. I just can't tell you what is in it - yet.

NZ1, was this order for only 2 aircraft because of this:
" Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe says Air New Zealand had been guaranteed firm delivery slots for the two additional aircraft."
Link to full article:

http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/by_company?id=122588

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:23 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 8):

That was part of it yes. There is a lot of talk in the pipeline going on at the moment, and I will let you into a secret, NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:34 am

Awesome! Keep us posted!
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:35 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
I will let you into a secret, NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

Wow, that's quite a little tidbit there. Boeing says they need a 2nd customer in order to launch the model, would be cool if it was NZ - especially nice because it would be a pax version not a freighter. Hope it happens, would love to see the 747 continue to grace the skies for many more years.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:38 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

Would that be an order for 8? Or how many?
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
Would that be an order for 8? Or how many?

Thats something I cannot say at the moment. I only said it was being discussed, not a fore gone conclusion.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:27 am

I wonder what could be bigger then a fleet order?? scrapping the idea of sacking 600 anzes people
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:47 am

I am sure they can slowly whitle down 600 jobs, with people taking volluntary redundancy and retirements. And also not hire any more people and they will be able to cut jobs resonably easy with out having to make people redundent.
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:55 am

Quoting NZAA (Reply 15):
I am sure they can slowly whitle down 600 jobs, with people taking volluntary redundancy and retirements. And also not hire any more people and they will be able to cut jobs resonably easy with out having to make people redundent.
Trav

If only that were true. Sorry, but I dont think management are interested in this option. They want a quick fix, and will do anything to get it. Just look at past history.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:16 am

True true,
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:27 am

Quoting NZAA (Reply 17):
Are you refering to the lay off of flight engineers??
Trav

That, and the way catering was just shut down/sold. They consulted over that too, but again, it was just a legal hurdle they had to jump. They always wanted it gone, and in the end it was.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
This is only a teaser guys,


In a recent posting you indicated if I understood you correctly that the present -400 fleet would be in service well past 2010 so I wonder if 747ADV's were acquired when would they be needed? It would seem to me that to fit them into the fleet the present -400 fleet would have to be deployed differently and used instead of the often rumoured favourite, the -300ER.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:21 pm

Hey NZ1

Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Thanks

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:33 pm

As always, thanks heaps for the info NZ1. Really look forward to seeing the final outcome!
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:42 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
That, and the way catering was just shut down/sold. They consulted over that too, but again, it was just a legal hurdle they had to jump. They always wanted it gone, and in the end it was.

They really should have taken a look at how much keeping a hold of catering has done for CO before doing that.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Why would NZ make an announcement in ETA and not AKL??

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:14 pm

WOW!!!!! 747ADV would be so much better than 773ER especially the wider seating plan 3-4-3 in economy class!! and I am guessing that these 747ADV's would have 777 style storage bins so that would be awesome too!!!!!!! This is an exciting time for NZ!
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:23 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Why would NZ make an announcement in ETA and not AKL??

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Not yet, as it is still in discussion

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 19):
It would seem to me that to fit them into the fleet the present -400 fleet would have to be deployed differently and used instead of the often rumoured favourite, the -300ER.

Maybe you are right  Smile

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:31 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 24):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Why would NZ make an announcement in ETA and not AKL??

Estimated Time of Arrival

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:14 pm

Nice.

Can't wait for an even bigger order, hopefully including the 747ADV.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 11):
Boeing says they need a 2nd customer in order to launch the model

Excuse my ignorance, but who might the 1st customer be?
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:24 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 24):
Estimated Time of Arrival

Or... Estimated Time of Announcement

Quoting Halophila (Reply 28):
Excuse my ignorance, but who might the 1st customer be?

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:57 pm

This is pretty big news for NZ, and the possible 747-ADV additions and more 777/787 would really increase the widebody fleet.

What are the potential routes for the additional a/c? Looks like the current fleet is already real well utilized. Check out the 747's, 15:50 hr/day and the 767 over 17 hr/day.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:01 pm

Will NZ buy any more options?
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:18 pm

This is good news after the recent bad news.

I was wondering if the guaranteed slots were just offered by Boeing and Air NZ snapped them up or if they were offered as part of a compensation deal for the delay in the 777s.
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:13 pm

Quoting N60659 (Reply 8):
http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/by_company?id=122588

I notice that this announcement says NZ is expecting to introduce the 787 in 2010/2011 - seems quite late for an airline which was the second to order the aircraft .

Is this because of 767 leases not expiring until 2010 ?

or is it because the model NZ is getting isn't available before then ?

has NZ actually specified which model they are getting ?


sorry if these questions have already been answered on another thread - I did try a search and couldn't find anything .


Oh yeah , one other thing - it seems more and more likely from what I have read on other threads that NZ are only regarding the 777-200ER as an interim type - so why are they buying 4 - wouldn't it have made more sense for them to lease all 8 instead - presumably leasing would have given them more flexibility to move up to 300ER or 200LR ?
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:31 pm

Yes NZ were the second airline to order the B787 and should be the second airline to receive the B787s. NZ ordered B787-8s which is the first B787 model to be built. Obviously other airlines had payed re-fundable deposits and got slots before NZ

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 33):
has NZ actually specified which model they are getting ?

B787-8s and powered by Rolls Royce

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 33):
NZ are only regarding the 777-200ER as an interim type

As far as I know that isn't confirmed
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:37 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
B787-8s and powered by Rolls Royce

thanks for the quick response
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:44 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 33):
NZ are only regarding the 777-200ER as an interim type

That would be correct. Why we bought 4, I don't know.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 33):
Is this because of 767 leases not expiring until 2010 ?

The 767 leases start expiring from the new year. If I remember rightly, 3 leave next year.

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Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 36):
The 767 leases start expiring from the new year. If I remember rightly, 3 leave next year.

thanks NZ1

I am sure that I am not the only one here who appreciates that even though you obviously have a lot on your mind at the moment you still take the time to share your knowledge with us ( when you are allowed to !)

I hope that somehow someone manages to pull a rabbit out of the hat and work out a way to retain the NZ heavy maintenance facility for your sake and your colleagues - but sadly , as you have already said , that doesn't seem very likely .
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:36 pm

If Air NZ do order the B747Avd, what benefits will they get if they are the first passenger launch customer?

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 36):
The 767 leases start expiring from the new year. If I remember rightly, 3 leave next year

Which ones are going?

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:53 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 38):
If Air NZ do order the B747Avd, what benefits will they get if they are the first passenger launch customer?

Obviously big discounts, might get more discounts for compensation over the B772ERS

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 38):
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 36):
The 767 leases start expiring from the new year. If I remember rightly, 3 leave next year

Which ones are going?

Forget which regos, but the B763s that cost more to lease then the others
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 25):
Maybe you are right Smile

Thus in my view, this puts South Africa and South America on the strong possibilies list for future route expansion.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:23 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 40):
Thus in my view, this puts South Africa and South America on the strong possibilies list for future route expansion

I would love to think so , South America in particular , but realistically could NZ fill 744's on these routes at sufficiently high yield levels ?

To be viable from a crew rotation point of view you would probably need a minimum frequency of 3 x per week - that would be a lot of capacity to put into either of those markets .

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QF with a much bigger population to call on can only sustain 5 x 744 per week on SYD-JNB . While QF can rely on picking up some traffic ex New Zealand the reverse would not apply if NZ started AKL-JNB - nobody in their right minds is going to fly ADL/SYD/MEL/BNE x/AKL JNB unless NZ are giving the seats away below cost . Don't forget JNB is a 'hot and high' airport - QF operates with quite a payload penalty - last year when I flew JNB-SYD a considerable number of pax were bumped . AKL-JNB is even further and presumably will have a bigger penalty .

I think that it is far more likely that once SA enters Star they will co-ordinate their JNB-PER-JNB flight with NZ's AKL-PER-AKL and perhaps codeshare on each others services . SA could conceivably even re-enter the JNB-SYD market with the A340-600 and again this could be a codeshare opportunity for NZ - but I would be very surprised to see a Koru fin anytime soon at JNB


South America

The South America route is running on A340's for both current carriers - AR AKL-EZE 4 x A340-200 ( with seating for 249 pax ) and LA is I think currently 5 x A340-300 ( with seating for 271 pax ) on AKL-SCL .LA have the advantage of feed from QF but even then they have been slowly building up from an initial frequency of 3 x weekly .

NZ's refitted 744's have a capacity of 393 pax which is a lot of capacity to add to South America based on current traffic levels ( yes , I am aware that you are looking a number of years into the future ) . On the plus side NZ could hope to pick up its own feed from Australia as well as maybe TG/SQ pax and perhaps get RG to feed at the other end - but I think that unless they could persuade AR to drop out of the route and codeshare on NZ operated aircraft the numbers would just not be there .


I would love to be proved wrong Big grin - but I think having gone to the edge of oblivion in very recent times NZ will be very cautious in checking that the numbers add up before branching out into new markets .
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:03 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
This is only a teaser guys, there is a bigger announcement coming. I just can't tell you what is in it - yet.

Is it possible that they will announce additional orders for the 787/777 as well?
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 41):
QF with a much bigger population to call on can only sustain 5 x 744 per week on SYD-JNB . While QF can rely on picking up some traffic ex New Zealand the reverse would not apply if NZ started AKL-JNB - nobody in their right minds is going to fly ADL/SYD/MEL/BNE x/AKL JNB unless NZ are giving the seats away below cost . Don't forget JNB is a 'hot and high' airport - QF operates with quite a payload penalty - last year when I flew JNB-SYD a considerable number of pax were bumped . AKL-JNB is even further and presumably will have a bigger penalty .

AKL-JNB is within the 744's range, though JNB's hot/high issues I am sure would hamper such an operation. The 788, however, will have more than 1000nm more range than the base 744, which is all NZ flies. Additionally, it will be far less airplane to fill (half as much). The main issue would be an ETOPS one, as the route is out of ETOPS 180 or 207 range. If they were to go larger capacity, the 747ADV wouold indeed also have the range cushion to cover the route.
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
AKL-JNB is within the 744's range, though JNB's hot/high issues I am sure would hamper such an operation. The 788, however, will have more than 1000nm more range than the base 744, which is all NZ flies. Additionally, it will be far less airplane to fill (half as much). The main issue would be an ETOPS one, as the route is out of ETOPS 180 or 207 range. If they were to go larger capacity, the 747ADV wouold indeed also have the range cushion to cover the route.

Hi N1120A

Thanks for that , I am aware that technically AKL-JNB falls within the 744 range , but as you say , the hot and high issue at JNB complicates matters as do the very strong headwinds on the westbound leg . The 744 has issues on the 5963 nm SYD-JNB at certain times of the year , so much so that it sometimes has to depart SYD with around 60 seats unfilled just to reach JNB - at 6583 nm AKL-JNB is likely to suffer even more.

As we know technically possible does not necessarily equal economically feasible - although there is a sizeable South African community in New Zealand they are for the most part , to put it bluntly , price sensitive , and I doubt that a nonstop service , even with an improved 747ADV could generate sufficient yield to be profitable at a realistic frequency of operation.

In terms of the 787 as you say there is an ETOPS issue - even if Boeing could get ETOPS330 approved , which is by no means certain , this is still short of what would be needed for AKL-JNB by the most direct routing according to great circle mapper ( though SYD-JNB would technically be alright with ETOPS330 )

I do hope that you are able in a few years to post an "I told you so" in a thread regarding NZ's longhaul expansion - and if it happens I will graciously admit I was wrong - but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen  Wink
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:33 am

So if ANZ do order the 747ADV they'll end up with the Trent 1000 and GEnx? Shame they couldn't have the same engine on both...
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting PM (Reply 45):
Shame they couldn't have the same engine on both...

NZ will not be doing their own overhaul on these big engines since they are likely to do "power by the hour" deals with RR and GE so it really doesn't matter.
 
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 38):
Which ones are going?

I think it was ZK-NCN, NCO and NCH, though don't quote me. Ill need to check the list at work tonight.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 42):
Is it possible that they will announce additional orders for the 787/777 as well?

There is a possibility yes. Remember though that we are in DISCUSSIONS about the the 747Adv, that doesn't mean it will be ordered.

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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 44):
In terms of the 787 as you say there is an ETOPS issue - even if Boeing could get ETOPS330 approved , which is by no means certain , this is still short of what would be needed for AKL-JNB by the most direct routing according to great circle mapper ( though SYD-JNB would technically be alright with ETOPS330 )

I do hope that you are able in a few years to post an "I told you so" in a thread regarding NZ's longhaul expansion - and if it happens I will graciously admit I was wrong - but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen

I wouldn't either, though it would not be a massive detour if ETOPS 330 were approved and the 787 will likely have an engine out speed that makes it even easier on ETOPS. The efficiency of the 788 could make up for the detour

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 47):
There is a possibility yes. Remember though that we are in DISCUSSIONS about the the 747Adv, that doesn't mean it will be ordered.

Well NZ1, discuss and launch the sucker Big grin
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RE: Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 46):
NZ will not be doing their own overhaul on these big engines since they are likely to do "power by the hour" deals with RR and GE so it really doesn't matter.

Really? Surely this means two contracts with perhaps two providers whereas a single - larger - contract for just one type might be cheaper. Moreover, "overhaul" is one thing but day-to-day line maintenance is another. I can't believe that they'd be indifferent about having to introduce two competing but very similar engines at virtually the same time.

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