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Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am

Service to start immediately thru Oct. 31 if granted. Probably to airlift those stranded by Wilma.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=360843&docketid=22839
 
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:58 am

It's an exemption request more specifically allowing replacement service to MID since CUN is closed.


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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:35 pm

The USDOT granted F9 verbal authority to fly this route. Local news in Denver carried interviews with some passengers. Good PR for F9 tonight, not only with DEN, but they are able to transfer people throughout their network.

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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 1):
It's an exemption request more specifically allowing replacement service to MID since CUN is closed.

Yep, there are all sorts of news stories about people being driven the 150 miles to MID and then getting flights out, and that F9 had flown there to pick people up who were booked on F9 out of CUN.
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:04 pm

CO normally serves IAH-MID 3 times a week (IIRC), but has flown several additional trips, for relief/evacuation purposes, in the last few days, including at least two 757-200 round trips. The flights to MID have carried food and water for employees. CO is giving preference to CO passengers from CUN and CZM. As I understand it, the (U.S.A.) State Department arranged for bus travel from CUN to MID.
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 4):
As I understand it, the (U.S.A.) State Department arranged for bus travel from CUN to MID.

Yes, but some in CUN are griping that the US should already have rented out cruise ships to pick them up.

Of course, considering the Carnival scandal going on right now, and the timeframe, that's a bit unlikely, but when you are stuck in a bad situation like that and probably totally oblivious to news outside your own life (even before the vacation), it makes perfect sense.

There is a reason that Yucatan vacations are cheapest during Hurricane season...
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:01 pm

Several carriers operated out of Merida that don't normally do. Sun Country has even scheduled trips out of Chichen Itza, did everybody require exemptions ?
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:40 pm

North American Airlines has three 757 roundtrips JFK-MID today and probably more throughout the week.
 
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Yes, but some in CUN are griping that the US should already have rented out cruise ships to pick them up.

What? They didn't know it was coming. They decided to stay (or even begin the trip) with the knowledge. I guess since they went ahead and decided on the trip, they are pretty ignorant anyway. I guess when you buy a non-refundable ticket and no trip insurance, then you have the right to gripe?

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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:13 am

From what I have heard CUN is a disater. From what i saw there is tourists stranded in roadblocks outside CUN. People without paper tickets are not allowed into the airports premises (people with e-tickets). Aparently the charter terminal at CUN was destroyed (I saw it on the news).

Good look to all the vistors stranded in what was beutiful Cancun.
 
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Acho (Reply 9):
From what I have heard CUN is a disater. From what i saw there is tourists stranded in roadblocks outside CUN. People without paper tickets are not allowed into the airports premises (people with e-tickets). Aparently the charter terminal at CUN was destroyed (I saw it on the news).

Not true. Just saw a feature on the news about a local couple coming back from their honeymoon from CUN. It included a picture of handwritten tickets for each of them that the airline created at the airport since there was no power. Unfortunately they did not show enough to tell which airline they were flying.
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 4):
CO is giving preference to CO passengers from CUN and CZM.

There's no problem with that though - the airline should give priority to their own ticketed customers first and foremost.

AS has given a blanket endorsement to CO to accept CUN passengers from CUN/CZM/MID on a standby basis until further notice, but ticketed CO passengers have priority.
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting FRA2DTW (Reply 7):
North American Airlines has three 757 roundtrips JFK-MID today and probably more throughout the week.

Intriguingly, these 3 were flown under the Thos. Cook callsign. AND, they departed WAY late. Given that they arrived at MID on time, I'm guessing that the delay occurred on the ground there, or, alternatively, waiting for pax. I'm not sure why the Thos. Cook callsign; they are continuing to England and so apparently are evacuating British citizens -- perhaps it's easier to get the clearances if they operate as Thos. Cook subservice.

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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):
perhaps it's easier to get the clearances if they operate as Thos. Cook subservice.

I'm confused here. Does it make a difference (either for US or British companies) if the flghts operate under the charter provisions?

On the DMS website, Frontier is the only US airline to apply for - and receive - emergency authority to fly to MID as a scheduled carrier.

Continental has scheduled rights to MID already, but American is planning at lest one flight there.

And I don't think American already holds traffic rights for DFW/MID? Maybe.

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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:39 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):
I'm confused here

Perhaps I should have said that perhaps Thos. Cook already has the appropriate rights and thus NAA operated under their callsign? Perhaps I shouldn't have speculated as to the reason and just asked the question. So...anybody know why they'd operate as Thos. Cook rather than as NAA on that contract?
 
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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 10):
Not true. Just saw a feature on the news about a local couple coming back from their honeymoon from CUN. It included a picture of handwritten tickets for each of them that the airline created at the airport since there was no power.

Today I saw a feature on the news here in mexico (Televisa), where the PFP (Mexican Police) had roadblocks requiring passengers to show tickets to access the CUN terminal, interview a passengers with e-tickets. Perhaps the couple featured has a ticket issued outside the airport (the airlines checked in people in schools outside CUN)

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RE: Frontier: Emergency Application DEN-MID

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting Acho (Reply 15):
Today I saw a feature on the news here in mexico (Televisa), where the PFP (Mexican Police) had roadblocks requiring passengers to show tickets to access the CUN terminal, interview a passengers with e-tickets. Perhaps the couple featured has a ticket issued outside the airport (the airlines checked in people in schools outside CUN)

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I'm not sure but the thing that matters is that somehow people are adapting and getting the job done.

Insurance companies typically maintain pre-configured "disaster kits" including computers, generators, and other equipment needed to operate in such conditions. Perhaps airlines would do well to consider similar contingency plans. It wouldn't cost much money to maintain a few pallets with the appropriate equipment and supplies ready to be shipped out when needed.
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