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CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:16 am

Hey,

How severe is the damage to these airports? Also does anyone have any pictures to show of the damage? I heard CUN is totally destroyed?

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:26 am

CUN has sustained some damage, but is not "totally destroyed". The biggest problem is lack of electricity:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/5172604/detail.html

Frontier sent an aircraft to Merida (MID) today to pick up evacuees, and has applied for an emergency temporary authority to fly DEN/MID 2 x daily.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=360843&docketid=22839

However, they only want it until October 31, because they say CUN airport will be open by then.

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:51 pm

MSNBC showed pictures of CUN. The terminal looked in bad shape, but structurally sound. It looks like at least a week to get everything cleaned up and back to normal. There is limited domestic service, and two chartered international flights left there. Most evacuees are being bussed to MID where they can connect domestically within Mexico, and some airlines are setting up emergency service there. In Florida, MIA was the worst one for damage, but should be operating by now, or Tuesday at the latest. FLL and PBI were less damaged, but supposedly were operating earlier today.

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Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:52 pm

Quoting F9fan (Reply 2):
In Florida, MIA was the worst one for damage, but should be operating by now, or Tuesday at the latest. FLL and PBI were less damaged, but supposedly were operating earlier today.

FLL got the worst damange. MIA has reopened.
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:56 pm

Cancun airport is still closed to commercial flights till tomorrow. Corsair is doing flights from Merida to Paris and to London (on behalf of Thomsonfly).
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:13 pm

Every time I've been there, CUN terminal was in bad shape...  Wink
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:23 pm

IKRAMERICA- I have been going to Cancun for 20 years and the terminal is always beautiful.

Pace has been doing relief flights for vacation express out of MID and CUN.

I haven't heard anything about CZM?
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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:59 pm

All german tour operators have sent planes (LTU/CONDOR/CORSAIR and others) to MID to evacuate tourists and they still will within the next days since CUN will not open shortly. I heard from a relative who was in Cancun during the hurrican that it´s still a big chaos at MID since there are still hundreds of tourists who wait to get flown out. The german tour operators expect to get all german tourists out of there by friday the latest. I suppose it will be the same with all other nationalities.

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
FLL got the worst damange. MIA has reopened.

This is good, i`m in ATL just waiting my flight to MIA. DL1503, which was schedulled for 0824 has been cancelled and now i`m on stand by for 1013 AM flight.

MAH4546, how is the city , eletricity is back or not...

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Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
This is good, i`m in ATL just waiting my flight to MIA. DL1503, which was schedulled for 0824 has been cancelled and now i`m on stand by for 1013 AM flight.

DL 1503 originates from BDL, did the aircraft make it or was the flight from BDL-ATL canceled?
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:54 pm

From what I hear, BCT got nailed hard. Many airplanes will be written off and many of the buildings have been destroyed.
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
MAH4546, how is the city , eletricity is back or not...

I'm in Chicago right now, but from what I've been told it's been like most hurricanes: trees are down, windows are broken, sand washed ashore near the street, power lines fallen - but no major strucutural damage. Clean up will probably take longer than some of the hurricanes we've had lately - probably going to take at least 3-4 weeks to clean it all up.
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):

MAH4546, how is the city , eletricity is back or not...

Regards
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as far as i know, only south beach and parts of donwtown and brickell have electricity... the airport too. i have not venture to other areas..traffic lights are out so is annoying driving around.. gas stations have gas but no electrcitiy to pump... lines are around the block in the gas stations in south beach.. curfew still on after 8pm.. just another day in paradise.

I am flying Friday from FLL. I hope they are open by then.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 9):
DL 1503 originates from BDL, did the aircraft make it or was the flight from BDL-ATL canceled?

The only info DL gave me it`s that first MIA flight was only authorized after 12 AM. I don`t know if BDL-ATL leg has been cancelled, probably not.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I'm in Chicago right now, but from what I've been told it's been like most hurricanes: trees are down, windows are broken, sand washed ashore near the street, power lines fallen - but no major strucutural damage. Clean up will probably take longer than some of the hurricanes we've had lately - probably going to take at least 3-4 weeks to clean it all up.



Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 12):
as far as i know, only south beach and parts of donwtown and brickell have electricity... the airport too. i have not venture to other areas..traffic lights are out so is annoying driving around.. gas stations have gas but no electrcitiy to pump... lines are around the block in the gas stations in south beach.. curfew still on after 8pm.. just another day in paradise.

I am flying Friday from FLL. I hope they are open by then

You guys are 100% right. I'm in south beach (on Collins Av.) and seems to be one of the few places with electricity. Also, there are lots of trees down, outdoors destroyed, lack of gasoline in the market (every open gas station keep a terrible row of hours!). I give up from rent a car and i'm praying that at least one cab could take me back to MIA in two days (i'm going to Boston Airline Show).

But at least it`s quite hot and sunny, and this is Miami !

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:49 am

The Mexican TV is broadcasting live from CUN Terminal 1 and it is totally destroyed. There is no roof and all restaurants, ticket counters, shops, offices, etc. are destroyed. Airlines are checking in passengers from their offices in Cancun (only MX, AM and 6A apparently) and it is impossible to arrive to the terminal without a boarding pass (confirmed seat) since there is a check point in the highway (only allows confirmed passengers with boarding pass). Flights are only domestic since security checks are done manually (all security checkpoints and scanners are non operational).
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 14):
The Mexican TV is broadcasting live from CUN Terminal 1 and it is totally destroyed. There is no roof and all restaurants, ticket counters, shops, offices, etc. are destroyed. Airlines are checking in passengers from their offices in Cancun (only MX, AM and 6A apparently) and it is impossible to arrive to the terminal without a boarding pass (confirmed seat) since there is a check point in the highway (only allows confirmed passengers with boarding pass). Flights are only domestic since security checks are done manually (all security checkpoints and scanners are non operational).

MIA is in good shape. I don't see damages on terminals (arrived on Delta Terminal and walk till Concourse D). There are many people trying to obtain a seat to get out Miami, but runways and terminals looks like in perfect shape.
Bad that CUN was so heavy hited by Wilma.
Rojo, do you have any information on how long does it take to get CUN back 100% operational ?

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:05 am

Be under no illusion - Cancun Airport has sustained severe damage. Here's a photo of the Terminal from BBC News;



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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 16):
Be under no illusion - Cancun Airport has sustained severe damage.

Don't let the BBC beguile you. The airport is open.

Planes are flying in and out. American has three flights today, Frontier has two, and there are several charters.

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Don't let the BBC beguile you. The airport is open.

I'm fully aware of that - we're currently evacuating approximately 1500 passengers back to the UK, with some flights leaving Cancun while others are being operated from Merida due to severe airport slot restrictions at Cancun. The terminal is currently operating at 20% of normal capacity due to the extent of the damage.

All our CUN/MID flights are currently staging through POP/ANU for fuel/catering/crew changes - so no crew are currently laying over in the affected areas - just operating ANU-CUN-ANU shuttles, for example.

Pretty grim for all concerned...

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 18):
Pretty grim for all concerned.

Yes, but it was a direct hit from a major hurricane.

I am very aware of the Merida flights - see reply #1 - but don't you think it is good news that the Cancun airport is open at all?

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Rojo, do you have any information on how long does it take to get CUN back 100% operational ?

It was said in the news that it will take 3 to 4 months to get CUN airport 100% operational (back to pre Wilma standards). But it will depend on how much money the operator of the terminal (ASUR) wants to invest and how fast. The insurance company was at the Airport but there are no estimates of the time it will take to rebuild.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Don't let the BBC beguile you. The airport is open.

Planes are flying in and out. American has three flights today, Frontier has two, and there are several charters.

There are flights in and out of CUN, but that does not mean the terminals are in perfect shape. Terminal 1 was totally destroyed and Terminal 2 was partially destroyed by the hurricane; VOR, radar and ILS are still not in service and everything is done in visual mode. If you want proof then go to the press release of ASUR airports (it is in English):

http://www.asur.com.mx

http://www.asur.com.mx/asur/artman/u...ricane_wilma__ingl_s___261005_.pdf

The press realease for CZM will come up shortly with details of damage.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
but don't you think it is good news that the Cancun airport is open at all?

It certainly is from an evacuation perspective, especially given Merida is 4 hours away by road and completely overwhelmed as it is.

However my main point of posting the picture was to show that the airport and the area will take some time to recover to anything resembling normality. We had already suspended all UK-CZM flights until May 2006 due to the extent of the damage sustained from Hurricane Emily in July. Future CUN operations over the coming weeks and months are currently uncertain...

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 16):
Be under no illusion - Cancun Airport has sustained severe damage. Here's a photo of the Terminal from BBC News;

When I first saw that picture elsewhere, it stated that it was a car dealership. Judging from all the shiny new Ford/Mercury products in the photo, I'd say the Beeb has it wrong. And after following your link, even the BBC doesn't say that's the airport.

Here's a link to the website of the Ford dealer in Cancun, looks like the same building, just in worse shape:

< http://www.dc-quintanaroo.com.mx/pag...e/default.asp?NavID=1&PageID=8024>
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 22):
And after following your link, even the BBC doesn't say that's the airport.

It seems you're right!

I was told it was the airport, but since I've never actually been to Cancun and having seen the Ford garage's photo, that seems not to be the case.

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 21):
and the area will take some time to recover to anything resembling normality.

I am not denying this. What has happened is not good, but I think it helps to retain a sense of balance.

One press report said that "as many as a thousand houses in Playa del Carmen have been completely dstroyed!".

Another channel said that "a dozen houses in Playa del Carmen have been completely destroyed."

I imagine the truth lies somewhere between the two.

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:05 am

Well, I just got power back home!!!!!!! The airlines have been ticketing passengers at a private school about 10 minutes from my place..... Most airlines have set up shop there, so passengers go there, check in, they get their boarding passes, and then go back to the hotel to wait for their transportation that will take them to the airport. Their bags and everything is checked prior to getting to the airport since there is no check in counters up and running there, and get taken directly to the airplane. The airport, as well as most of the city is preety banged up, but spirits are running high, and things are starting to run smoother by the hour....... So hopefully the airport will see some signs of normalcy by next week. Im going to the American Airlines table at the school tommorrow and any other news I get I will pass along.......
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 20):
It was said in the news that it will take 3 to 4 months to get CUN airport 100% operational

And then, what? CUN will take more than 4 months to get on track again. I feel deeply sorry for the thousands who used to work at hotels, malls and restaurants for a living. The future looks dark for all of them.

What do you think? When will CUN be again the touristic hot spot it used to be?
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:21 am

Hello everyone !

I live in Cancun and run a travel agency. I am barely coping with an emergency electric plant as downtown is still without electricity since october 20th.
Cancun airport terminal 1 (for charters) is totally out of action. It will take at least 4 to 6 months to get it back into operation. Terminal 2 (the main terminal for regular flights) is also damaged but not as badly. Still has no electricity except for individual (ariline to airline, that is) diesel-power small generators and there are areas that have no roof at all.
Operations are set to continue from dawn to dusk and limited to only 2 flights per hour for at least 10 extra days when ATC equipment will hopefully be installed and functioning, ditto with full electricity supply and SSR. The Mexican government is positively discouraging airlines from operating more flights to enable rebuilding to proceed as fast as possible. ASUR, the private entity actually managing the airport, is committed to having terminal 2 up and running by mid November and back to its pre-october 20th situation by early December in readiness for the Christmas season. Let us hope so !!

Greetings from a severely battered Cancun !
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:56 am

Here's the latest press release from ASUR regarding CUN and CZM:

http://www.asur.com.mx/asur/ingles/prensa/prensa.asp

Click on the press release for October 28 (.pdf).

Things are starting to come back, but there is no date for a resumption of regular services yet.

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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:29 pm

US Airways ran two flight on Thursday to Cancun. On the way down, they brought food, water and other supplies. On the return they carried passengers with one plane going to CLT and the other to PHX. The flight to PHX was delayed when Mexican President Fox showed up to view the damage and all flight ops were on hold until he left. The PHX flight arrived about 1900 on Thursday evening.
 
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RE: CUN,MIA,FLL, PBI Damage?

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:31 pm

Was there any damage at RSW? I would hate to see that especially after opening a brand new terminal
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