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IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:50 am

Hey guys,

Since IB just started servicing CCS with their new A346s, one of my friends who is recently going to fly this jet, asked me how's their configuration inside.

Recently, another friend of mine, flew this aircraft but made me doubt. I asked him (he's an airplane ignorant, hence my questions):

Me- "hey!, did you fly the new Iberia Airbus?"
Him- "Oh, I don't know, I flew an airplane with 4 engines"
Me- "Yes I know you did. I just wanted to know if it's the big-four-engine jet that it's very very long and new"
Him- "Humm, Yes it was pretty new and long, but I dont know if it was an Airbus"
Me- "Whatever, tell me how was it inside"
Him- "Well it was pretty full. Seats were kind of tight and not much legspace.
Me- "Did you have PTVs? Could you see through the camera located at the tail of the aircraft?"
Him- "No, there were no PTVs... flight was boring...sevice was kinda bad..."

So, this was the interesting part of the conversation.

Are these aircraft equipped with entertainment systems or they're just like their old 747s?

I know for sure that SA's A346s have these options, therefore I thought IB had them as well.

I might fly this a/c soon so I wanted to know how were they.

Thanks guys! Regards!
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:53 am

Just like LH's A340-600s, IB's planes do not have PTVs in Economy... which really is a pity: the view you get from the tail camera on SA's A340-600s is superb!!!

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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:13 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
Just like LH's A340-600s, IB's planes do not have PTVs in Economy... which really is a pity: the view you get from the tail camera on SA's A340-600s is superb!!!

I can Imagine!

Then, another negative point for IB from my personal point of view... How could they not put that tail-camera option! that's a federal crime!!!  Smile

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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting 797 (Reply 2):
How could they not put that tail-camera option! that's a federal crime!!!

Then you will be prosecuted for false accusation.  Wink

IB offers the tail camera on ALL their A340-600s.

About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times. It makes me remind the weekly thread we had some time ago..."What are IB's A319s doing in Miami?"...IB had a hub there for 12 years, and every week we saw a new thread asking the same question.

This thing about IB having PTVs or not is the same. It has been discussed to death, LOTS of times, there are LOTS of pictures showing the interior of the A340-300s and 600s...but once every week we see the same question once and again..."Does Iberia have PTVs?"...the answer is plain and simple...NO.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times

Do you think that IB will ever put PTV's in economy, as there are now refurbishing the A340-300s? Or it is a very expensive thing for IB and the new Plan Director?!!!
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Rmcf (Reply 4):
Do you think that IB will ever put PTV's in economy, as there are now refurbishing the A340-300s?

No. If they were to install them then they would have started with the A340-600s....and they didn't. About 5 A340-300s have been already retrofitted with the new seats...and NO PTVs.

Like I said, on my previous post. IB doesn't have and will not have PTVs in economy class.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:17 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
IB offers the tail camera on ALL their A340-600s.

But not ALL the time.

I've flown the A346 twice and the second time they switched it off at take off and landing. And that, together with the absolutely boring documentaries they play in the flights to the Canary Islands, (and dumb, because they don't even offer you headphones in those flights), in my opinion is a commercial crime, if not federal  Wink
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
But not ALL the time.

I never said "ALL the time". I was pointing out what this guy from Venezuela said...that "IB's A340-600s don't have the tail camera option".

Anyway...is there an airline that will offer the tail camera image ALL the time?

I don't think so. Those screens are also used for other things during the flight.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
And that, together with the absolutely boring documentaries they play in the flights to the Canary Islands, (and dumb, because they don't even offer you headphones in those flights), in my opinion is a commercial crime, if not federal

So?...I guess they shouldn't offer anything on the screens then. That way they would match BA at least and wouldn't be critiziced.

IB offers those programs without audio on all European flights while BA doesn't offer anything. And I am NOT criticizing BA, which in fact offers a better cabin service than Iberia most of the time.

[Edited 2005-10-26 22:42:16]
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 8):
So?...I guess they shouldn't offer anything on the screens then. That way they would match BA at least and wouldn't be critiziced.

Sorry but I think the comparison with BA justifies nothing. And I think dumb documentaries (IB) and nothing (BA), are not the only two cheap options an airline can have to offer their passengers in those flights. But anyway, I would find any of those politics more pardonable if at least they didn't switch off
the camera (or the map) like they usually do at take off and landing, because that would mean a little more attention to the passenger which costs NOTHING.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:09 am

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
I've flown the A346 twice and the second time they switched it off at take off and landing.

Just a side note, its illegial at some airports to have the cameras on for takeoff and landing, it a condition of operating to that airport. This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

I have read that IB is changing the layout of the A346 to 3 class away from the present 2 class.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:41 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
I have read that IB is changing the layout of the A346 to 3 class away from the present 2 class

Actually, it's the other way around. IB introduced its new lie-flat seats in Business Plus, eliminating the old first and business classes. The entire 340-600 and 340-300 fleet will soon have this service. In addition, IB is installing new seat covers in economy during the makeover. IB operates 18 340-300 examples and 10 340-600's, with 3 additional 340-600's to be added soon, creating a total 340 fleet of 31 aircraft. Frankly, that does not sound like a lot aircraft to operate all of IB's destinations in the Americas, but they appear to be doing the job.

Also, IB operates 4 wet-leased 747-412's from Air Atlanta Icelandic, which it flies to the Canaries and Carribean destinations.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:39 pm

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Also, IB operates 4 wet-leased 747-412's from Air Atlanta Icelandic, which it flies to the Canaries and Carribean destinations.

Actually there are 2 747-400 for flights to the Canaries and Cuba, and 2 747-300s for flights to Miami (all of them operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic).

Those 747-300s will be replaced by the A340-600 from Nov. 1st.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
Just a side note, its illegial at some airports to have the cameras on for takeoff and landing, it a condition of operating to that airport. This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

True.

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 9):

Calm down "big guy".
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:21 pm

Turning the camera off for take-offs and landing was something we couldn't do anything about. It was programmed that way and it would stop even if we didn't want. It was something that happened to the 3 first A-346's, the ones that were for Swissair. This problem was solved when they got the new config and new entertaining system. Now you can watch the entire take off and landing without any problems.

The film showed on domestic and european flights are a mix of Hidden cam, Pink Panther and some documentaries which are mostly images that can be followed without headphones, that's the purpose. Something else is that you think they are boring.You can always read a book, look through the window or watch the IB crew behave as horribly as always and post it later here on A.net, which seems to work for many.

Anyway, you won't need to worry about that anymore: new short-haul planes are said to be coming without entertaining system which will add to save some bucks to the company in weight and maintenance. And new A-320's will be configured in a 174 seats layout with new thinner seats.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Recently, another friend of mine, flew this aircraft but made me doubt. I asked him (he's an airplane ignorant, hence my questions):

I like this bit "Airplane ignorant".  Smile
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

Possible, if it is illegal in TFN and MAD, but in the first flight it didn't happen and were the same airports the opposite leg.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 12):
Calm down "big guy".

When it really upsets me is when I fly. But anyway, can you tell me what's your "secret"?

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times. It makes me remind the weekly thread we had some time ago..."What are IB's A319s doing in Miami?"...IB had a hub there for 12 years, and every week we saw a new thread asking the same question.

This thing about IB having PTVs or not is the same. It has been discussed to death, LOTS of times, there are LOTS of pictures showing the interior of the A340-300s and 600s...but once every week we see the same question once and again..."Does Iberia have PTVs?"...the answer is plain and simple...NO
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 15):
Possible, if it is illegal in TFN and MAD, but in the first flight it didn't happen and were the same airports the opposite leg

Read my post 13 and you'll know why it happened. Nothing to do with legality.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:46 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Actually, it's the other way around. IB introduced its new lie-flat seats in Business Plus, eliminating the old first and business classes. The entire 340-600 and 340-300 fleet will soon have this service.

Yep I had it the wrong way about, this is what I previously read from http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...m0QXQ/is_2004_April_7/ai_n11854455

Quote:
Iberia will adopt a two-class service product on A340 long-haul services, eliminating first class in favor of an enhanced business- class cabin with lie-flat seatbeds, audio-video on demand, satellite phones and text messaging. It will invest eur100 million ($125 million) to equip 31 A340s with the new product, which will be rolled out on the airline's first three A340-600s in Oct. and installed across the fleet by the end of 2005.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting Icaro (Reply 13):
And new A-320's will be configured in a 174 seats layout with new thinner seats.

Offering passengers a comfy 29-30 inch pitch accommodation, just like charter and low-fare carriers, lovely...  Smile
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Icaro (Reply 16):
Read my post 13 and you'll know why it happened. Nothing to do with legality

Ok then.

Quoting Icaro (Reply 13):
watch the IB crew behave as horribly as always and post it later here on A.net, which seems to work for many.

Now that you talk about that, I can say that I have flown Iberia a lot of times, and don't have that impression; but possibly you should know it better than me. Anyway if you think I am one of those, you are mistaken. For me it's a false legend, and I find it sad that it can arise some susceptibilities. I really hope those things change.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:29 am

Don't worry, i never said you were one of those, I was only being ironic.  Wink
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:31 am

Cool! I received an Iberian BOOM!

Thanks anyways for the info! So... anyways, I'd like to say, what a waste not to put PTVs on those a/c... that's not a good image for IB...

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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:37 pm

Quoting Icaro (Reply 20):

Ah....so it's neither true that story about the show of the horrible behaviour...what's left then? I guess my next flights in Iberia are going to seem eternal!  Wink
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:17 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18):
Offering passengers a comfy 29-30 inch pitch accommodation, just like charter and low-fare carriers, lovely...

I don't know where you have red that specific figure.... Iberia has published they will change the seats for THINNER ones, nothing about modifying the seat pitch (though they may come up with that)

They are also taking advantage of the unneeded spaces after free-catering removal (they don't cater the plane with so much food and drinks)

Maybe 32" for Long-haul and 31" for Europe is not enough for some people but here's the seat pitch for BA's Euro Traveller Class

Cabin environment
Sit back and relax with comfortable leather seats* and a 31 inch (77.5cm) seat pitch**. Enjoy our selection of complimentary newspapers available to most destinations when boarding the aircraft.

*Leather seats not available on all aircraft. **Seat pitch on RJ100 and some rows of seats on Boeing 737 aircraft types and on British Airways Citiexpress Limited operated flights have a seat pitch less than 31 inches.

So i guess people up there in Britain enjoy flying "just like charter and low-fare carriers"
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:50 pm

At least on a 2+ hour flight to Spain BA will give you a soft drink or a cuppa which is more than your IB does. You can book a scheduled full fare flight from LHR-AGP and get nothing. Just a seat.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:52 pm

I know for a fact that 180 seats in the A320 means 29" pitch (source: GECAS.com) which means that 174 doesn't allow for much more space. Thinner seats may do the trick, and personally I found FRs B738 seating at 30" pitch more than adequate and I even survived flying to Australia many times having a seat spaced at 31" pitch.

My reason for commenting earlier was that I assume that IB will use their new 174-seat A320s on all routes incl those with 2-class services where 30-31" pitch might not be too popular with biz-pax who have paid heaps for "that little extra something"...

If I can be proved wrong, I will be pleased, believe it or not. I wish IB much success and prosperity and hope to fly them myself within too long...  Smile
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:15 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 12):
Those 747-300s will be replaced by the A340-600 from Nov. 1st.

So come November MIA will see a daily 346 or 346/343 combo? I would think a 346 would be better for this route... but they could see the 343 as a better fit to compliment AA's 763ER to MAD from MIA which IB codeshares on.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:48 pm

Press has published some hints about IB new business plan. One of them is more seats in economy which will raise the number of seats about 5%.. According to IB.com A320 has between 150 and 162 seats (that's biz+eco)
I think seats can be adapted in steps of 1" (airbus site) so maybe, and i say maybe they could downgrade te seat pitch to 30" to put more seats. I don't know how many planes have 150, how many 162 or how many are in-between, but the natural move is to do the change in the 150-seaters rather (or before) than the others.... I don't see them squeezing 189 pax in a 737-800

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 25):
My reason for commenting earlier was that I assume that IB will use their new 174-seat A320s on all routes incl those with 2-class services where 30-31" pitch might not be too popular with biz-pax who have paid heaps for "that little extra something"...

Yeah, i couldn't agree more. Business class has "only" 34" in a 3-3 config where the middle seat is always free. I see this only as a rush patch and i bet they'll also change the biz class at the same time (wider seats, leather, reclining back a little more, 2+2 config...) don't know, anything to add more confort to premium pax....
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:49 pm

From the time I started to fly the A-320 in Ib, five years ago, the number of seats have been gradually increased. From 147 to 150 by removing a big aft closet. Later from 150 to 162 by removing the remaining aft closets and changing the front galley to a half-galley, and changing the location of the front lavatory. None of these changes have affected the pitch, only row 15ABC was a bit tighter.
From 162 to 174 means 2 extra rows, than could be easily achieved with the new thinner seats and maybe by removing half of the aft galley like EZY, because now it is not needed anymore. I don't think our pax are going to notice the difference.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 24):
You can book a scheduled full fare flight from LHR-AGP and get nothing. Just a seat.

Which is exactly what you paid for.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:59 am

Your passengers will notice the difference and perhaps question why it is they are travelling with a full service flag caarier and are sitting in a charter configured aircarft and having to pay for ornage juice or a cup of coffee.

It is this kind of contempt IB has shown its passengers that angers. Yes they will notice that another dozen seats have been added when their knees are tucked under their chins.
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 29):
and having to pay for ornage juice or a cup of coffee.

or not having available orange juice at all

Check out BA.com and you'll see

A limited catering service has returned on flights between London Heathrow and Spain, Portugal, Italy and Finland
Currently the only catering available onboard our other European flights is tea, coffee and biscuits.

Date Updated
26/10/2005 02:02 PM

You can ask the same question about the free "catering" on those flights... Why pay a ??full service?? for coffee tea and buscuits... Thay are having problems with the free meals.... maybe that's because these days they cannot offer that service as they'd wish... same with number of seats (and please notice seat pitch has NOT been altered as stated above)
 
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:08 am

Let me paraphares IB's new business plan

Iberia Dominates the Latin America - Madrid Market, and they couldn't care less about there passengers, they Cram them into the A346, Give sub standard service and charge ridiculous amounts of money. I cant wait for TA or CM to start flying to MAD so that I never ever ever ever ever have to touch an IB plane again.

I hate there monopoly. And NM doesnt help, even worst service, just for a little less money.
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:44 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
I cant wait for TA or CM to start flying to MAD so that I never ever ever ever ever have to touch an IB plane again.

Well...let's hope you live 100 years then.

You trying to tell us that you are an experienced Latin America - Europe traveller?. Hehe that's funny!!

Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
about there passengers



Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
I hate there monopoly

It's not "there"...it's "their". You're welcome for the grammar lesson.

Who said there's a monopoly?. Only those who are really narrow minded or really have a thing against Iberia for being Spanish keep saying there's a monopoly.

AF/KL have about the same market share than IB on Europe-Latin America flights, and IB is not the only airline operating to those destinations from Madrid either, so please...think twice before attacking just for the fun of it without knowing exactly what you are talking about.

Anyway...your attitude is typical of your age group.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
they Cram them into the A346, Give sub standard service and charge ridiculous amounts of money.

Please care to enlighten us.

How many times have you flown on the A346? or how many times have you just flown Iberia?.

Ridiculous amounts of money, huh?. Ridiculous comment, since IB often offers the lowest fares, or is it that they are ridiculous for being low according to your opinion?.

[Edited 2005-10-28 21:47:21]
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RE: IB A346 Configuration...

Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 32):
Who said there's a monopoly?. Only those who are really narrow minded or really have a thing against Iberia for being Spanish keep saying there's a monopoly.

AF/KL have about the same market share than IB on Europe-Latin America flights, and IB is not the only airline operating to those destinations from Madrid either, so please...think twice before attacking just for the fun of it without knowing exactly what you are talking about.

Anyway...your attitude is typical of your age group.

I've flown IB PTY-MIA-MAD in 199? or 2000 it was on a DC-9 and 742, HORRIBLE FLIGHT. Old Dirty planes, FA's Vanished after meal service never to be seen again.

You know perfectly well that besides Using AA or AV, you had to fly IB from Central America until very recently. NM is not better.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 32):
Who said there's a monopoly?. Only those who are really narrow minded or really have a thing against Iberia for being Spanish keep saying there's a monopoly.

Are you impliying I am anti Spain? That is crazy. As almost all Latin American I am Spanish descendant and proud of it and proud of our Spanish heritage, IB could very well be the pride of Spain, but they prefer to be the Bus of Spain.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 32):
Quoting Luisca (Reply 31):
I cant wait for TA or CM to start flying to MAD so that I never ever ever ever ever have to touch an IB plane again.

Well...let's hope you live 100 years then.

You My freind will be very surprised in a few years (2 or 3)

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 32):
How many times have you flown on the A346? or how many times have you just flown Iberia?.

I have flown Iberia 3 times, 2 on PTY-MIA-PTY and once PTY-MIA-MAD. I have never flown on the A346 but A friend of mine (his mother is Spanish) flew to Barcelona via MAD on the PTY-MAD A346 flight and returned complaining about it, said it was WORSE than the 742, even more crammed. He flies to MAD 2 times a year and always tries to avoid IB.

So don't try to make me look as a pimple popping Spain hating complaining 16 year old, I am 20 years old and a very frequent flyer, and I can say from experience IB is a airline that abuses of their De facto Monopoly. I just want to see them give better service. I have noting against Spain, In fact I love Spain, and I am proud of our Spanish Heritage.
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