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Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:46 pm

I noticed that for next August, Emirates will change one of its highly advertised flights from an A345 to a 777. I know this is a long way off, but why are they doing this? Will the A345 be used on other routes or will even newer equipment with the A345's product standarts be used and the 777 just as a substitute? Thanks for the replies.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:55 pm

Perhaps they're upgrading to a 773ER. Ie more pax.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:56 pm

Their 773ER can JUST do it non-stop i think. I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop. I think their A346HGWs can do it non-stop too.

Am surprised as their A345 is their premium-quality plane for the higher yield routes.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:04 pm

773ER can do JFK-DXB no problems. This will free up an A345 or two for expansion on ultra-long flights to say other US destinations.

Hopefully, the 773ER for these flights will not be 3-4-3 in econ because so far all the 773/77W that have been delivered to date have been 3-4-3 in econ.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:17 pm

The 772ER or 773ER should not have a problem with the JFK-DXB route.....didnt MAS fly EWR-DXB-KUL with 772ERs?

It will be interesting to see if EK adds luxury touches to the 777s that would fly the JFK route.....a lot of effort has gone into EK marketing the JFK- DXB service as a very up-market product with lots of features.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:59 pm

Gosh, DXB-JFK is "just" 11000km!!
It's not that long!... People think that just because EK uses 345's on the route, it's very long.

EK could do the route with 772ER, 773ER or even 343's.... besides the 345's.

The problem here is the cabin configuration of the 77W's... If it's 3-4-3 in eco, it's not that great...
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:17 pm

In two weeks EK will double DUB-JFK-DUB frequency with A340-500's.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:28 pm

Keep in mind Malaysia used to fly KUL-DXB-EWR without any problem with a 772ER.

They now switched the route via ARN.

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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:15 pm

Perhaps the A345 which they are taking of will be used for a new Ultra haul destination, maybe somewhere in Canada?
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:30 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
Their 773ER can JUST do it non-stop i think. I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop. I think their A346HGWs can do it non-stop too.

both the 772ER and 773ER could do the route without a problem...

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
In two weeks EK will double DUB-JFK-DUB frequency with A340-500's.

you mean....DXB-JFK-DXB... Wink
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 8):
Perhaps the A345 which they are taking of will be used for a new Ultra haul destination, maybe somewhere in Canada?

YYZ is not significantly farther away from DXB than JFK.

Although they may want to deploy the 345's to west coast US or south america.  Wink
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:21 am

Emirates has received its last A340-500 last week. Now they have 10 of these. I have read in an Arabic newspaper in Dubai, that this 10th A340 will allow Emirates to double the flights to JFk i.e. twice daily beginning 15 Nov. 05 (Approx.). 777ER's will do the journey with no problems.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:36 am

Does anyone know what are the top markets for EK out of JFK? Where do most of the pax go? Does anyone haev a rough idea of how many pax only go to DXB and how many go to other cities (and which ones)? I would assume that India would be a large connecting market for EK from JFK. Is there much to/from Australia on this route?
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 12):
Does anyone know what are the top markets for EK out of JFK? Where do most of the pax go? Does anyone haev a rough idea of how many pax only go to DXB and how many go to other cities (and which ones)? I would assume that India would be a large connecting market for EK from JFK. Is there much to/from Australia on this route?

I've flown on that route, and judging from what I saw on the flight, Africa might be a top destination.... I didn't see too many Pakistanis and Indians.. no 

just my observation
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 5):
Gosh, DXB-JFK is "just" 11000km!!
It's not that long!... People think that just because EK uses 345's on the route, it's very long.



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 7):
Keep in mind Malaysia used to fly KUL-DXB-EWR without any problem with a 772ER.

I believe there may have been weight restrictions on the DXB-EWR sector for the 772ER. While the route itself isn't that long, taking off with a full payload from the heat in Dubai can be an issue. Both DXB-SYD/MEL and DXB-JFK are within the 772ERs range, but when you try to launch a plane off of a runway in 110F temperatures, performance falls and you have to limit payload. But that is the price you have to pay for getting aviation fuel for so cheap.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:17 am

^How dramatically do performances fall just with hot temperatures alone? Considering DXB is at sea level.

Under "normal" conditions (not very hot or very high)The 772ER is capable of performing routes much longer than 11000km.

CO's 772ER's do EWR-HKG nonstop both ways, and that's around 13000 km.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:26 am

I just checked several random dates in August06, and both flights show as 345 in EK's direct acess in Sabre.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting LH459 (Reply 16):
I just checked several random dates in August06, and both flights show as 345 in EK's direct acess in Sabre.

Nope

EK 204: JFKDXB 0940-0630 772
EK 202: JFKDXB 2330-2020 345

So they will be mixing it starting 1 Jul 2006
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:32 am

What about the product itself ?

Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?

If it's the 77W, no problem (though there are differences), but the 772ER seems a bit more "tired" !

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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:36 am

Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?[/quote]
Even so, passengers will be very disapointed if it is the new 773 ER because compared to the A345, for example, in First Class, the seats don't compare at all, and I think this is a huge mistake that Emirates made.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop.

MH was flying EWR-Dubai nonstop with a 777-200ER before they switched to the 747-400 and routed the flight through Stockholm.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 18):
Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?

First of all, acording to reply 18, it will be the 772ER.
But it will probably be one already retrofitted to 77W interior cabin standards.

Even so, the first class is just a regular first class (not top notch) instead of the best first class in the world(in terms of cabin/seat at least) offered in the 345's. So yes... the first class passengers will notice it and will regreat it.

As for the J class passengers, they will notice it too, as the 777's J class is old styled, as oposed toe the 345's, where it has shell type seats (although not lie flat). So, J class passengers will be disapointed too.

As for Y, I think pitch on the 777's is greater, but it's a 10 abreast, which make the seats narrower on the 777's.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The problem here is the cabin configuration of the 77W's... If it's 3-4-3 in eco, it's not that great...

3-4-3 does mean very narrow seats, but even 2-5-2 is bad if you ask me. Who wants to sit in the middle seat in a row of 5 seats for 11Mm?  yuck 

That's why a confort-oriented airline that can get cheap kerosene like EK should go for A340s rather than 777s on its premium sectors...
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 17):
Nope

EK 204: JFKDXB 0940-0630 772
EK 202: JFKDXB 2330-2020 345

01JUL SAT JFK/EDT DXB/‡8
EK RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT **
7EK 204 F4 A2 J7 C5 Y9 W9 M0 B0 K0 JFKDXB 0910 0650‡1 345 0
H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0
8EK 202 F4 A2 J7 C5 Y9 W9 M0 B0 K0 JFKDXB 2330 2020‡1 345 0

I see the 772 if I check Sabre availability, vs. EK direct connect. As you can see, direct connect shows 345 on both flights.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:46 am

Well Orbitz shows a 777 as well, which is actually where I first saw the issue, when I was searching to see if Emirates still flew the A345 between Australia and New Zealand.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Hotelbravo (Reply 22):
3-4-3 does mean very narrow seats, but even 2-5-2 is bad if you ask me. Who wants to sit in the middle seat in a row of 5 seats for 11Mm?

Most 777's(not in EK though) are configured in 3-3-3 configuration.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
MH was flying EWR-Dubai nonstop with a 777-200ER before they switched to the 747-400 and routed the flight through Stockholm.

It was still re-routed to ARN with the 777 originally before upgrading to a 744 then back to a 777. the 744 only was switched when it was already on the ARN route
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:44 am

Hopefully EK will do an interior upgrade on the old 772's and 773's soon!
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting Hotelbravo (Reply 22):
That's why a confort-oriented airline that can get cheap kerosene like EK

please at least read some of these threads before repeating that ignorant comment.

EK does not get cheap fuel. Fuel costs are the same at DXB for all airlines, and are frequently higher than at some other hubs.
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 12):
Does anyone know what are the top markets for EK out of JFK? Where do most of the pax go? Does anyone haev a rough idea of how many pax only go to DXB and how many go to other cities (and which ones)? I would assume that India would be a large connecting market for EK from JFK. Is there much to/from Australia on this route?

The times that I check the flight on our DCS I see more than half the aircraft on certain days are filled with passengers connecting to/from HYD and MAA. There is also a significant number connecting to other Indian EK ports of BOM, DEL and COK. EK also gets a good load from LHE and ISB. You must also remember that there is a good market for the product from within the Middle East itself.

I am not too sure of the connections from JFK though.

From the way EK has been advertising in DXB I assumed that A345 was being used on both flights.
 
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RE: Emirates: 777 To JFK

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:05 pm

Quoting Zaphod (Reply 29):
From the way EK has been advertising in DXB I assumed that A345 was being used on both flights.

EK will use 345's on both flights.

What we are discussing is if that will change to 1 345 and 1 777 in the summer of 2006.
But for now it's still unclear.