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Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:43 pm

 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:47 pm

120 seat aircraft for this route. They must be betting that only premium pax want to fly the route non-stop. They would have to charge a pretty penny for those seats!! The 777-200LR makes more sense for the ultra-super-long-haul but that is just a small percentage of QANTAS' routes. Maybe Airbus might surprise everyone and win this order.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:22 pm

Good Luck Leahy, because you will need a lot of it to win this one!!!
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:41 pm

How long (how many hours) would the nonstop LHR-SYD flight be - and SYD-LHR?

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 1):
The 777-200LR makes more sense for the ultra-super-long-haul

That's your opinion, but QF seems are not agree with you.

From the article this is written:

>""Both the A340-500 and the 777-200LR can perform the London-Sydney leg with a good payload --240 passengers for the 777-200LR-- but Qantas apparently is not keen on a one-stop or one-way service""<


I wonder if a PER-LHR non-stop flight could be successful
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:52 pm

Quoting Sq212 (Thread starter):
Will it sell?

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=2872

Cheers

This was a very strangely written article that should have received more critical review prior to publishment, in my opinion.

It really comes off as an editorial more than anything else informative. Essentially, advice is being given to Qantas to just accept a technical stop as the best solution. Unamed "analysts" are given credit for this supposedly useful bit of guidance.

These so-called sources then go on to advise Qantas on joining Oneworld alliance because seemingly Qantas is being unrealistic to expect profitable non-stop service capabilities from Sydney to London.

No mention of whether the 777LR will be capable of meeting Qantas' requirements is made, which would make the premise of this article a moot point.

Who really wrote this thing anyway?
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:53 pm

it is a given that QF will not order the A345 or A346 or A346HGW or any version of the A340 for that matter.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:02 pm

Sadly, the article doesn't indicate what modification would be made to the A340-500 to give it the needed range boost. Presumably, it would be an application of A350 developments and updated engines.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 4):
I wonder if a PER-LHR non-stop flight could be successful

Technically, yes, of course, PER-LHR would be successful. Economically, the market is dubious. PER-LHR is mostly a leisure market.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 6):
it is a given that QF will not order the A345 or A346 or A346HGW or any version of the A340 for that matter.

That may be true, but are you suggesting that Airbus should not even try?

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:09 pm

How about that Leahy huh? Must be spending a lot of time, pulling his hair out and running around chasing Boeing's initiatives and coming up with half baked alternatives.

I liked Airbus better when they were the innovators but the A380 has seemingly rendered them infertile... much the same as Boeing was not that long ago.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:14 pm

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 5):
Essentially, advice is being given to Qantas to just accept a technical stop as the best solution

QF wants to make the SYD-LHR-SYD non stop. Period!!!

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
PER-LHR is mostly a leisure market

Agree, but it seems the best solution to link UK with Australia in a non-stop flight and with a decent pay load; only 120 pax could be a joke unless they be top premium pax.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:18 pm

If QF´s to buy all 777/787 what about the 747ADV?

Curius.

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 2):
Good Luck Leahy, because you will need a lot of it to win this one!!!

Or an extremely good price, like 50 million dollars per plane! One possibility is that Airbus is doing this only to try to pressure Boeing into lower its price in this deal.

Another possibility, which is also important to take into account, is that QF might be interested in buying an airplane mainly for flights to South America and South Africa. With ETOPS possibly being an issue on such flights, QF might decide to buy a plane which will enable them to both fly on these routes as well as to North America.

If QF decides that the 772 anyway doesn't have the range to do SYD-LHR nonstop, then they could possibly agree to get the A345, if the price is significantly lower.

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 5):
Unamed "analysts" are given credit

Maybe some of those "analysts" are comments taken from a.net forums???

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 5):
These so-called sources then go on to advise Qantas on joining Oneworld alliance because seemingly Qantas is being unrealistic to expect profitable non-stop service capabilities from Sydney to London.

??? Qantas is already in Oneworld!
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 5):
It really comes off as an editorial more than anything else informative. Essentially, advice is being given to Qantas to just accept a technical stop as the best solution. Unamed "analysts" are given credit for this supposedly useful bit of guidance.

These so-called sources then go on to advise Qantas on joining Oneworld alliance because seemingly Qantas is being unrealistic to expect profitable non-stop service capabilities from Sydney to London.

I'd actually gathered it was an Airbus "analyst" who gave this to who-ever wrote the article as it has been their consistent line throughout this aircraft competition that Qantas would have to settle for one-stop service due to winds on one of the legs. Boeing effectively eliminated Airbus from the ULR aircraft part of the order by promising non-stop service on both legs.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):
That may be true, but are you suggesting that Airbus should not even try?

They may as well just concede and focus on selling A350's and A320's to Qantas. The A350/787 decision will most likely be the biggest part of the order in any case and a large A350 order would do wonders for Airbus at the moment given the 787's momentum in the market.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):
If QF´s to buy all 777/787 what about the 747ADV?


With 12 A380's coming on board I don't think QF will be a 747ADV customer for quite some time. Not unless the A380 turns out to be a spectacular failure in any case but I can't see that happening.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
They may as well just concede and focus on selling A350's and A320's to Qantas.

Why?

Since neither plane - A345 or 777LR - is dead set capable of doing what Qantas supposedly wants, it is all fair game.

I assume the order will go to Boeing, but I don't sneer at Airbus for trying.

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 6):
it is a given that QF will not order the A345 or A346 or A346HGW or any version of the A340 for that matter.

Why?

Are you Geoff Dixon?

Incidently Qantas had a press release the other day, AND two months ago AND late last year stating they were evaluating both the 777 and A340 variants.
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:40 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 6):
it is a given that QF will not order the A345 or A346 or A346HGW or any version of the A340 for that matter.

I have been reading your posts for the last few years, and the 777 love affair is becoming increasingly more obvious in your postings, you used to hide it well  Smile

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:48 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 3):
How long (how many hours) would the nonstop LHR-SYD flight be - and SYD-LHR?

Doesn't anybody know - or is this a stupid question? Sorry if that is the case ...

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:38 pm

I feel the huge wide body QF order will go to the Boeing basket.
What Leahy says , is the very last try for Airbus to be the winner........but surely they will not be.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:49 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 10):
Agree, but it seems the best solution to link UK with Australia in a non-stop flight and with a decent pay load; only 120 pax could be a joke unless they be top premium pax.

So what your saying is the 772LR is the best option then?
For it will carry 240 pax on the Kangaroo route, as opposed to the A345's 120?

Quoting FCKC (Reply 18):
I feel the huge wide body QF order will go to the Boeing basket.
What Leahy says , is the very last try for Airbus to be the winner........but surely they will not be.

For efficiency the 772LR is by far the best option when pitched against the A345.

The only thing I see that could swing this order towards the Airbus is QF's stance on ETOPS. Does anyone know what QF's current policy is on ETOPS?
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:57 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 15):
Quoting Dalecary (Reply 6):
it is a given that QF will not order the A345 or A346 or A346HGW or any version of the A340 for that matter.
Why?
Are you Geoff Dixon?

You've beat me with this question Monteycarlos. That is a very ignorant statement Dalecary!

Leahy's suggestion isn't that stupid. Obviously QF is not impressed by the current capabilities of both 777LR and A345. If Airbus could do the non-stop flight in both directions this would make the difference. And don't forget that flights this long will not be sold as Economy class anyway so this Business and First only concept is probably feasible.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:05 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 17):
Doesn't anybody know - or is this a stupid question? Sorry if that is the case ...

LordHowe

As much as I would like to know the numbers myself, unfortunately nobody has yet step forward for an answer. AFIK, Singapore Airlines still hold the record of 18+ hours non-stop flight time on a A340-500. my guess is LHR-SYD flight time will be more than 18 hours. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 5):
Who really wrote this thing anyway?

Geoff Thomas...ATW editor who I have met personally. I didn't think it was slanted but clearly the 772LR is the aircraft with the better performance for the super long haul routes.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:04 pm

Odd article - firstly, I thought that QF had advised Airbus that it was not interested in the A340, wasnt there just a thread about that here a couple of days ago? It seems that in the ULR category, QF will go with the 777LR, but a lot still depends on doing the LHR-SYD route.

The techincial stop issue is nonstarter: QF wants an aircraft that can do LHR-SYD in both directions year round with a reasonable payload.....QF may or may not opt for a lower density F/J class service to get the route launched....that is still unclear. The A345, clearly is not going to make this goal.....now we have to see if the 777LR will be capable, thus far Boeing is not committing and QF is not making a final decision.

As for LHR-PER - we have discussed that so many times here, its not going to happen......this is all about the ability to operate nonstop flights between LHR and SYD/MEL, the routes where there is premium demand, business demand and some money to be made. LHR-PER does not have demand or premium traffic - and QF is not going to invest hundred of millions in a new type to launch this at-best marginal route. The next point is that someone will say why not LHR-PER-SYD.....answer: there is little to no benefit of flying that route over the existing LHR-SIN-SYD services.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:05 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 4):

I wonder if a PER-LHR non-stop flight could be successful

Oooohhh, I hope so, be nice to see more heavies in Perth!!!
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:11 pm

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 21):
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 17):
Doesn't anybody know - or is this a stupid question? Sorry if that is the case ...

LordHowe

As much as I would like to know the numbers myself, unfortunately nobody has yet step forward for an answer. AFIK, Singapore Airlines still hold the record of 18+ hours non-stop flight time on a A340-500. my guess is LHR-SYD flight time will be more than 18 hours. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers.

Re: flight time LHR-SYD / SYD-LHR, there is a lot of data on the other QF order threads, so see there. From memory the non-stop can be done in roughly 20hrs, less in the W-E direction, more on return....
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:33 pm

Boeing is proposing the 777ULR with 240 seats, obviously that's not going to be an all Business configuration. Anyone knows how many F/C/Y seats they are proposing?
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:33 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
As for LHR-PER - we have discussed that so many times here, its not going to happen......this is all about the ability to operate nonstop flights between LHR and SYD/MEL, the routes where there is premium demand, business demand and some money to be made. LHR-PER does not have demand or premium traffic - and QF is not going to invest hundred of millions in a new type to launch this at-best marginal route. The next point is that someone will say why not LHR-PER-SYD.....answer: there is little to no benefit of flying that route over the existing LHR-SIN-SYD services.

Whoa, hold up there DutchJet, I know PER can be a sleepy town but every international heavy out of here (MAL, SIA, QF, SAA, THAI, EK) every day is packed. At worst you can't get a flight out for days except if you can plead exceptional circumstances (like a family loss etc). Even Jetstar don't fly here because QF domestic load factors are so high. I hate to disagree but I reckon PER - LHR is a very real scenario.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:48 pm

I don't!

PER-LHR is full of tourists... backpackers and wealthy babyboomers. The babyboomers are up the front, the 20 and 30 somethings up the back.... and since this is their own money both the front and the back are more price sensative. Hence why thai Airways $5000 business class tickets will do well.... but how many $13000 First or $10 000 business class tickets are you going to sell? Not enough!

Syd on the other hand is a global financial centre, and to a lesser but not insignificant extent, so is Melbourne. It is no accident Emirates stuck that amazing first class on this route, to ZRH and to JFK..... but nowhere else.

If there is going to a non-stop that makes money in the form of 777LR or A345, it MUST be from the East coast, as it MUST suck up almost the entire premium cabin market to make it work.

As for the idea... the A380 from DRW to FRA may be your saving grace. If it was outfitted in high density (hell maybe Jetstar International?) and it was basically surving northern european backbackers who wanna see the outback, that may work. Other than that...forget it... the Singapore Changi hub allows too many possibilities that make money.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:48 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 22):
I didn't think it was slanted but clearly the 772LR is the aircraft with the better performance for the super long haul routes.

One would almost forget Boeing has been trying to sell the 772LR for 5 years now and Airbus has since then become a clear market leader.

Don't some of you guys have somewhere an little uncomfortable feeling some crusial info in the endlessly repeated a.net 777 superiority over 340 truth is missing?

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:18 pm

I wouldn't want to be in the air for 18 hours or more. A stop over is a welcome break to most people, especially for me (and I'm guessing most us on a.net) as an aviation enthusiast.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:43 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 17):
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 3):
How long (how many hours) would the nonstop LHR-SYD flight be - and SYD-LHR?

Doesn't anybody know - or is this a stupid question? Sorry if that is the case ...

LordHowe

Nobody really knows, yet. The proposed aircraft the B777-200ULR does not even exist, yet. The QF advance planning group probabley has a pretty fair idea, but AFAIK Boeing has yet to give range guarentees.

The best estimate I can give is somewhere between 18 and 22 hours, with the 19-20 range best guess. This is based on:
The current flight time is 22 hours (23.5 hrs total time) so it wont be longer than that.
Time is saved by not having to get down from FL390, then back to it.
Assuming a close to GC route it will go more or less, overhead HKG, so by passing the nightly prade out of SE/S Asia for Europe, but of course will have to deal with the nightly prade out of HKG to Europe, but it will be well above the traffic for a substaintal period of time. So this route should save SOME time, how much? Don't know.

Guess we just have to wait until the schedule is released!

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 9):
How about that Leahy huh? Must be spending a lot of time, pulling his hair out and running around chasing Boeing's initiatives and coming up with half baked alternatives.

I liked Airbus better when they were the innovators but the A380 has seemingly rendered them infertile... much the same as Boeing was not that long ago.

Agreed. Right now he appears to have the "hampster-syndrome"; running around without really going anywhere. And the A-380 is a time consuming item. But in all fairness, the A-350 and 787 will both be time consuming as well.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:04 pm

It is an odd article but it makes sense that Airbus would keep trying if for nothing else to squeeze Boeing on it pricing.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 29):
One would almost forget Boeing has been trying to sell the 772LR for 5 years now and Airbus has since then become a clear market leader.

How deluded can you be. The situation you cite is like claiming to win a game before your opponent even shows up to the court.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 32):
Right now he appears to have the "hampster-syndrome"; running around without really going anywhere



Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 9):
pulling his hair out and running around chasing Boeing's initiatives

Back to earth:
- A has the biggest back log (& the number of aircraft is only half the story..)
- A upped its forecast to 360 aircraft deliveries this year, probably >400 next year
- A is at the start of the A380 era,
- A has a hot selling narrowbody product
- A owns the medium 250 seat market segment for itself 2002-2008
- A launched the A350 with already 140 orders after 2010 in the pocket.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:50 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 33):
The situation you cite is like claiming to win a game before your opponent even shows up to the court.

The easiest forgotten piece of boeing 777-200LR history on a.net.

Farnborough International 2000, Day 2

Boeing celebrated the launch of the longer range 777 program with a signing ceremony and champagne toast to its launch customers. All Nippon Airlines today also placed an order for the 777LR, and Emirates ordered the long range twinjet.
http://www.aeroworldnet.com/fi200025.htm
http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Aircraft/777X-5.html

& now forget ASAP again..
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 35):
& now forget ASAP again..

Interesting research Keesje!

How many were sold after these initial orders? And how many A345 in the same period? This would give a more accurate picture of the situation..
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:04 pm

Hi all.....If there was a non stop from SYD-LHR. How much time would the pax actually save? also would the existing seat pitch used on most carriers 31'' to 34'' in economy grow because of the long flight duration.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:05 pm

Keesje,

If you would bother to read your own "sources" you would clearly and easily see that aeroworldnet use "777LR" for both the -300ER/200LR. ANA and Emirates have taken delivery of the 300ER as the article indicates. Only EVA has wavered and even they are receiving 300R. Read it again.

Also, airtransportbiz is an amateur run website (albeit interesting and informative) and is not an actual news source.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 37):
Hi all.....If there was a non stop from SYD-LHR. How much time would the pax actually save? also would the existing seat pitch used on most carriers 31'' to 34'' in economy grow because of the long flight duration.

The delivery flight of the first Qantas Boeing 747-400, which had 30 people on board and no luggage had a flight duration LHR-SYD non-stop of 17 hours and 45 minutes.

This compares to the current 22 hours or so.

You won't see your normal Economy class seating on a flight of this duration, or at least, I'd hope not!

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:18 pm

On another thread Astuteman said that he had heard from a friend in Airbus that they are planning a quick weight-saving upgrade of the A340 - and, in the longer term (i.e. by say 2011), thinking about 'A350-ising' it with composite wings, wider lighter fuselage etc. I expect that the first idea is what Leahy wanted to talk to Geoff Dixon about.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2403640/

There does seem to be a pattern developing here. First Airbus de-bunked the 787 ("No problem, we can already compete with it"), and are now having to come from behind with the A350.

Then it was, "The 772LR won't sell, the ULH market's too small." Now they're having to play 'catch up' again by hastily planning A340 makeovers.

Sounding confident and putting the best face on things from a PR viewpoint is one thing - every commercial company has to do that at times. But believing your own propaganda, and shutting your eyes to the real potential of the other guy's new products until it's too late, is quite another.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:24 pm

Thanks for the reply ClassicLover. But if the 777LR was aquired by Qantas how would this be operated.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 41):
Thanks for the reply ClassicLover. But if the 777LR was aquired by Qantas how would this be operated.

Do you mean from a configuation standpoint or what? From what I've heard on here (always reliable - err - hehe!) it'll be 200 odd passengers as a premium service.

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:28 pm

Whilst i realise that the LHR-SYD attempt would only be 120 seats, are Airbus planning on doing anything to increase the range of the A345 at normal payloads? So that it can complete NYC and DFW with full pax?

If so - and QF are not satisfied with either planes ability to fly SYD-LHR-SYD then - Airbus may have a slight chance. Otherwise the 772LR is a given.

Bear in mind though it is more complicated as the demand is for 2 types of aircraft (777vs A340 and 787 vs A350), and i'd imagine only a small amount of those planes would be for ULR applications. Thus the final selection of manufacturor could be more weighted on the abilities of the A350 and 787.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:30 pm

Let's face it: Qantas wants SYD-LHR and back. The 772LR can do that better than the A345 (both todays versions). All rumors about an improved A345 or an less weight A340 or an A350ied A340 are rumors. Perhpas Airbus has something in the pipeline but at the moment they fall short of having an ULR that can beat the 772LR. So IMHO Qantas has the choice to take the 772LR or to nail down Airbus on specs and delivery dates for an real competitive AC that is paperware at the moment. So it's not too hard to guess what Qantas will do in this situation...

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:33 pm

Why can't QF just accept that SYD-LHR are half a world away from each other and just continue with one-stop services... they are making money on them, for heavens sake.

I lived in Sydney for four years when studying at uni, and flew Europe-Asia-SYD many times in Y class. I found the one-stop services from many airlines, incl QF, to be very quick and efficient and it was nice to be able to stretch my legs and take a breath of "fresh airport-terminal air"... (beats the fart-filled air in the plane after 12 hours easily...  Smile )
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:34 pm

Quoting Startknob (Reply 44):
The 772LR can do that better than the A345 (both todays versions).

That's nonsense! The 772LR cannot do it both directions. So, please explain what's better about that...  

Edit: typo

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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:36 pm

E1747SYDNEY, the route that is getting the press attention is SYD-LHR nonstop. But my guess is that Qantas are also considering nonstops to Dallas and/or O'Hare as well. Even New York, although I don't think the 772LR (or the A340) can do that at the moment (adverse winds again).

It looks as if any LHR service will be all-business class for the moment. Getting the passengers doesn't look like being a problem, I expect that they'll be able to poach any amount of business clients from their competitors on the LHR routes, who will presumably be stuck with one-stop.
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:39 pm

Isn't Geoffrey Thomas, the journalist who wrote the atwonline article a pro-Boeing journalist anyway?

Most of his articles in the Australian newspaper are regarding Boeing and I can't remember the last time he wrote an article regarding an Airbus product.

It's not a very good article, looks like a space filler. I think he could have provided more details about the performance of the B777LR and A345 and how they relats to QFs plans.
 
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RE: Airbus Pitches Long-range A340 To Qantas

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 42):
Do you mean from a configuation standpoint or what? From what I've heard on here (always reliable - err - hehe!) it'll be 200 odd passengers as a premium service.

Trent.

yes basically if I was to book a flight with Qantas from Sydney if they aqquire the 777LR Would I have to pay the equivalent of a biz class fare? Thanks
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