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Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:31 pm

The 50 flights break down as follows:

Beginning Nov. 12, 2005

New Orleans Service:

• Two new MSY-DAL nonstops

• Two new MSY-BNA nonstops

• Two new MSY-MCO nonstops

• Two new MSY-TPA nonstops

• One additional MSY-HOU nonstop (previously an-nounced)

Other New Service:

• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

• One new LAS-PVD nonstop

• One additional LAS-GEG nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-STL nonstop (for a total of two)

Beginning Feb. 5, 2006

• One additional ABQ-HOU nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional ABQ-OAK nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional AUS-BNA nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional AUS-SAN nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BHM-MCO nonstop (for a total of two)

• Two additional BUR-OAK nonstops (for a total of 16)

• One additional MDW-PHL nonstop (for a total of eight)

• One additional MDW-SMF nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional FLL-HOU nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional HOU-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional HOU-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional IND-MCI nonstop (for a total of two)

• Two additional ISP-MDW nonstops (for a total of seven)

• One additional JAX-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional JAX-TPA nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional MCI-SAN nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional MCI-STL nonstop (for a total of six)

• One additional MCI-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-TUS nonstop (for a total of six)

• One additional BNA-FLL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BNA-JAX nonstop (for a total of four)

• One additional BNA-LAS nonstop (for a total of four)

• One additional BNA-MCO nonstop (for a total of five)

• One additional BNA-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BNA-TPA nonstop (for a total of five)

• Two additional OAK-SAN nonstop (for a total of 20)

• One additional OAK-SNA nonstop (for a total of nine)

• One additional MCO-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional PHL-PHX nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional PHL-PIT nonstop (for a total of seven)

• One new SAN-SAT nonstop

• One additional STL-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional TPA-FLL nonstop (for a total of nine)
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:32 pm

No DEN in this yet?

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:44 pm

darn, no luck on more burbank service, was wondering how the sat flights to midway were doing and if well enough, if they would add daily service. anybody been on the bur-mdw flight here or know how well it has performed
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:53 pm

YES!! Finally another LAS-STL/PHL frequency!! There will be a happy PVD fan when he hears about the new LAS-PVD service!  Smile
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:55 pm

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional AUS-BNA nonstop (for a total of three)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• Two additional BUR-OAK nonstops (for a total of 16)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional LAS-TUS nonstop (for a total of six)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional BNA-JAX nonstop (for a total of four)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional BNA-MCO nonstop (for a total of five)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• Two additional OAK-SAN nonstop (for a total of 20)

I am really out of the loop - I'm very surprised at the frequencies that will exist in these markets. I know WN is big in OAK, BNA, LAS, etc, but I guess I didn't realize how big BNA had become, let alone OAK.

Pretty impressive. One cool thing about WN is that, if it were one of the majors, each new route would have started from one of two or three hub airports in their system. Not knocking their system, but WN offers routes that most other airlines won't touch (or offer).

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:57 pm

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

Eeek, I hope Allegiant can survive, although I doubt it.

Edit: I don't see any of these flights on southwest.com, any idea when they will be loaded?

[Edited 2005-10-27 09:03:39]
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:30 pm

Strange there is no additional PIT service (other than the PHL flight). How is WN doing there? I thought they'd be ramping up more by now.
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:07 pm

Southwest is going after Midwest Airlines with the additional MCI-SAN. WN's owned the market for years with only one nonstop flight. Always fun to see them behave like a legacy.  Wink

Nevertheless, good to see them restart SAN-SAT and bump up AUS-SAN. WN must be getting close to 100 flights at SAN (their stated goal).

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:34 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
I guess I didn't realize how big BNA had become

No PHL-BNA non-stop service yet?  Sad I guess I'll have to wait until next year.
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
No DEN in this yet?

All the DEN cities are announced already in another thread. Red it to find out. Hint: 13 Daily flights, the rest just read it!!!

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:44 pm

The PVD-LAS is not on the website, can you tell me when it is scheduled? It is not online yet.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:36 pm

wow..Not even one new flight to SEA.........................
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:54 pm

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

I was always surprised that route didn't already exist (instead being run by Champion charters in a 727!!) Maybe this was a move aimed at heading off the new US since they already run to PHX in "big" CRJ's.

Quoting Vega (Reply 6):
Strange there is no additional PIT service (other than the PHL flight). How is WN doing there? I thought they'd be ramping up more by now.

They just ramped up by over half at PIT about a month ago or so. Post Katrina. 6 new flights I believed... most of which were originally scheduled to not be starting until about now, were started as soon as the MSY disaster's effects became clear. Places like TPA, PHX, and more frequencies on the other routes.

With all the PIT-PHL shuttles running now, you'd think the PA Turnpike Commission would be feeling the pinch, lol.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new SAN-SAT nonstop
• One additional BNA-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)
• One additional MCO-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

Wow, this should push SAT up to or past 50 dailies.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:59 pm

Dangit.. nothing new at RDU..
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:02 pm

Quoting Leneld (Reply 11):
wow..Not even one new flight to SEA.........................

I thought they told yall in Seattle no flights until prices come down or BFI opens old 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 13):
Wow, this should push SAT up to or past 50 dailies.

49 to be exact...and with only five gates.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:25 pm

remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 17):
remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...

Why would they have to cut back much if they're receiving new jets... and supposedly their utilization avg. had been down a bit anyways since the MSY traffic collapse?
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
Why would they have to cut back much if they're receiving new jets... and supposedly their utilization avg. had been down a bit anyways since the MSY traffic collapse?

I don't know, we'll have to wait and see when they post the new 2/5/06 schedule...
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:48 pm

OAK is getting six additional flights for WN? Where are they going to find the room? Obviously the extension to T2 won't be complete by then.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 17):
remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...

If you listened to the 3Q report then you would have heard Kelly say there are about 5 of the MSY aircraft not accounted for in the schedule. He said WN used about 15 airplanes for the pre hurricane schedule. Also, WN already had BA delieveries scheduled. So it look like all this adds up to 50 flight plus DEN.

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting Wnsocal (Reply 21):
If you listened to the 3Q report then you would have heard Kelly say there are about 5 of the MSY aircraft not accounted for in the schedule. He said WN used about 15 airplanes for the pre hurricane schedule. Also, WN already had BA delieveries scheduled. So it look like all this adds up to 50 flight plus DEN.

I'm sure with all those MSY additions on 2/5/06, all of the "displaced" aircraft will be accounted for.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:31 pm

Gotta have all these new flights for those new 737's coming on!

I hope we will see them serve DAY someday, but I doubt it.
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:32 pm

Nice to see WN setting themselves up to retake the number one slot here at MSY. The loads have been superb out of here, and any and all increase in service can only bode well for the area, the airline, and the airport.

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:25 am

I really like this quote from the press release....

""We are especially pleased to see demand increasing in New Orleans," said Rogge. "Our load factors have been high, and we are pleased to be rebuilding our New Orleans service. As aircraft availability permits, Southwest Airlines will continue to adjust its New Orleans flight schedule to respond to increasing Customer demand."

It's a shame that certain other low fare airlines haven't expressed the same views as WN has. Oh well, it's their loss. Good riddance.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:10 am

note on the press release from WN where they list the additional flights beginning February 5, 2006:

"(due to schedule adjustments)"

...this is not a normal statement on thier new service announcements. Look for a few frequency reductions in some other markets once they download their 2/5/06 schedule.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:14 am

No OAK-IND yet  Sad
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:22 am

I love this...first two thoughts.

On OKC-LAS...

I think Allegiant will do fine, but the market is filling up. Champion is running 4 weekly 727 flights, Allegiant 4 weekly MD-80s, and US-West running a daily CRJ-900. Southwest is late to the game, so the others should be ok. Their Saturday only flight has been around with no harm to the others.

Now on to this massive increase in flights...

From USAToday: Southwest CEO Gary Kelly says the biggest single threat facing the airline industry is "excess capacity". That, of course, comes as Southwest is set to unveil its routes and fares out of Denver, the discount giant's newest destination. "The market needs to be allowed to run its course. There has been no meaningful reduction of surplus capacity," Kelly is quoted as saying by Air Transport World.

I'm sorry...this group is the biggest bunch of hypocrites I've seen in a long time. They march around like their stuff doesn't stink, but everyone must bow down to them. Want to reduce capacity in the industry? Quit flying a bunch of half empty 737s around.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:22 am

I was hoping for more BUR longhaul service (additional MDW, HOU, ISP, MHT), anyone know the total of WN flights from BUR now, and what it ranks within their system?
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:29 am

Just look at what WN announced today---49 new flights while the legacy carriers are cutting back......For 34 years folks have been saying: "this cannot continue" and it just gets better and better....I mean in my base airport of Oakland they are now going to have 20 flights a day between Oakland and San Diego!!! They are now the power in the industry and no other airline can compete with them....LCC or legacy.......all the legacy airlines can do is run like hell (go international) or try to stifle them like AA is doing on the Wright Amendment. It is truly a remarkable story that in 34 years the legacy carriers just hoped that WN would go away and now the folks going away are them. We see this in business all the time--it is called arrogance and it started with Bob Crandall at AA and has continued for 34 years....Like Honda being ignored by GM. it is the same....the legacy carriers should have changed years ago and started anew but they had not the courage to battle the unions and take the strikes. And no I do not now nor have I ever worked for SWA but I take over 100 flights a year on them---flights I used to take on AA, UAL and DL......the battle is over folks and the clear winner is SWA
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
One additional MCI-SAN nonstop (for a total of two)

Midwest has a better product and they start next week.

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
Two additional OAK-SAN nonstop (for a total of 20)

20 flights? Let's not clog up the California Corridor.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 6):
Strange there is no additional PIT service (other than the PHL flight). How is WN doing there? I thought they'd be ramping up more by now

Started with 10 dailies in May, this 7th Philly run makes 20 dailies in 7 months...thats a pretty damn good expansion rate =)

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 26):
note on the press release from WN where they list the additional flights beginning February 5, 2006:

"(due to schedule adjustments)"

...this is not a normal statement on thier new service announcements. Look for a few frequency reductions in some other markets once they download their 2/5/06 schedule

"Due to schedule adjustments" = MSY went from 65 dailies to 13 (after this announcment). Any other adjustment would be minimal and just a market correction...look at any airlines seasonal adjustments to see what I mean.

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 26):
note on the press release from WN where they list the additional flights beginning February 5, 2006:

"(due to schedule adjustments)"

...this is not a normal statement on thier new service announcements. Look for a few frequency reductions in some other markets once they download their 2/5/06 schedule.

There will be minimal reductions. The increase in service is coming primarily from new a/c (and no retirements), the reduction of MSY service, and most importantly, better a/c utilization. When Schedule Planning sent out the (internal) e-mail confirming the Feb '06 schdule, they stated that they were able to do the same amount of flying with seven LESS aircraft! Amazing really.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 31):
Midwest has a better product and they start next week.

We hear this argument all the time. It always reminds me of when MetroJet and Southwest went head to head at BWI. The bottom line is that cheap seats and safe reliable service is what counts in the domestic market.

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 32):
Any other adjustment would be minimal and just a market correction

You are correct.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:15 am

Yea we got alot more PIT service, though with this change.
We got the additional Philly runs. Plus;

New:
1x TPA
1x PHX



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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:18 am

Several cuts notices so far...im sure there are alot more

PVD gains LAS, looses MCI and 1x BNA
MHT looses both BNA flights ( no more non stop)
BDL is down to 3x PHL flights (they started with 5 last year)
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting Dbba (Reply 30):
Just look at what WN announced today---49 new flights while the legacy carriers are cutting back......


Quoting Dbba (Reply 30):
all the legacy airlines can do is run like hell

Funny. I don't see Continental "running like hell." Sure they're doing International, because they're making a boatload of money on it. Quit drinking that Canyon Blue Koolaid. You can bet your bottom dollar that if WN's "business plan" and fleet allowed them to ship a few across the Atlantic, they'd be there too. Continental's 757's are basically doing what WN's 737's do domestically... connecting smaller city pairs.

This was a positive post until your BS started getting spewed. Even I was being positive towards WN.

[Edited 2005-10-27 19:20:24]
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 35):
BDL is down to 3x PHL flights (they started with 5 last year)

One tiny battle that looks to be won (or at least forced to a draw) by US defending their turf.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
The bottom line is that cheap seats and safe reliable service is what counts in the domestic market.

Cheaper seats yes, definitely, but are you trying to say Midwest isn't safe??
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:31 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 37):
Cheaper seats yes, definitely, but are you trying to say Midwest isn't safe??

Of course not, I was only refering to the domestic market in general. Midwest is a great airline, and consistantly meets the safe and reliable criteria. I'm not sure about being cheap though as I don't shop for airline tickets. They do offer a better "product" than WN in many areas but I don't know if that has broad mass market appeal. In any event, I hope both airlines do well on the route.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:38 am

Southwest just keeps digging themselves into a hole, what I mean by that is just in one article, they said that capacity in the US needs to be reduced, and yet next year they are growing their fleet 11%. WN has become the most contradicting company. They must think they own the world that everyone else should drop capacity so they can increase it. The have done a lot of this lately and makes me lose a heck of a lot more respect for them.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 32):
"Due to schedule adjustments" = MSY went from 65 dailies to 13 (after this announcment). Any other adjustment would be minimal and just a market correction...look at any airlines seasonal adjustments to see what I mean.

WN doesn't do seasonal adjustments. WN also VERY rarely reduces frequesncies or drops markets when compared to every other airline and when compared to the amount of yoy capacity growth that they produce.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
There will be minimal reductions

but reductions nonetheless. Thats all I was saying.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
The increase in service is coming primarily from new a/c (and no retirements), the reduction of MSY service, and most importantly, better a/c utilization.

All aircraft that were displaced with the MSY disruption are now re-incorporated into the network schedule (effective 2/6/06).
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:14 am

Burnsie:

I'm not sure I follow the "loss of respect for them" argument.

Here's the bottom line.

Right now fares are low. Demand for seats, however, seems to be increasing witness the high load factors most airlines are experiencing.

Some airlines want to decrease supply so that the intersection of the supply curve and the demand curve occurs at a higher dollar figure, ie, they can charge more for the product.

You are correct, however, in your view that Southwest seems to act in ways contrary to the behaviour of other airlines.

When load factors get high, they don't raise the fare to knock the load factor down while generating more revenue. Instead, they add capacity to make more money at the lower fares.

That's the real contradiction. But it gets back to which airline is really looking out for you.

Some airlines take care of their shareholders by squeezing their employees wages thru bankruptcy courts and wage concessions while holding walk-up-fare-paying passengers up for every cent they can shake them down for.

Southwest takes care of their shareholders by treating their employees well, creating a happy, well paid, but very productive workforce who then, in turn, deliver a product which may not be the cheapest each time but is always a reasonable value.

Incidentally, the new flights look like winners.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 38):
Midwest is a great airline, and consistantly meets the safe and reliable criteria. I'm not sure about being cheap though as I don't shop for airline tickets

Oh ok. I was conceding WN as cheaper than Midwest, at least most routes, just a little misunderstanding there on both ends. Sorry.

I keep wanting to give Midwest a try (mmm, fresh baked cookies) but I never really have a need to go anywhere that leads to efficiently flying them without a less-direct routing or paying quite a premium... not to mention driving to an airport to catch them. Yeah I know, that's my same excuse for WN too.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:39 am

TxAgKuwait:

Thanks for that intelligent response to Burnsie....

You see Burnsie, you need to understand how business works and how business plans play out. It is laughable when you say you "have lost respect for SWA".....who cares if they have bluffed the market with the "this industry needs less capacity" while they have increased their capacity. WE CALL THIS BUSINESS and it is rough and tumble and now SWA is making a capacity move not unlike a fighter who has landed the pre-knockout blows....Can you possibly imagine the sheer frustration and embarrassment in the offices of the legacy carriers as they see these city pair markets slip away? This is why I am so proud to be an American---where we have an economy based on the survival of the fittest and sadly companies that SHOULD fail delay the inevitable due to our antiquated bankruptcy laws and hurt the other legacy carriers (like AA and CO) who do not take this route.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:52 am

Excellent reply TxAgKuwait. Airlines who can make money on lower fares can and should add capacity where they can profit from it. Southwest indeed is an airline that "looks out for you" not only as a consumer, whom they do not gouge even when dominant on a route. This business philosophy also serves to "look out for" the investor as well.

Best of luck to Southwest with all new routes and frequencies.

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:15 am

Looks like both ISP-BNA flights were cut.....or you could say both got reassigned to MDW.
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:32 am

STL loses one flight to MDW,MCO, and two to HOU. So really there is no additional frequencies added to the schedule it will stay the same at 63 daily. Since the additional flights added today will off set the reductions in service (one to LAS,MCI,TPA,BWI(previously announced)).
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 28):
I'm sorry...this group is the biggest bunch of hypocrites I've seen in a long time. They march around like their stuff doesn't stink, but everyone must bow down to them. Want to reduce capacity in the industry? Quit flying a bunch of half empty 737s around.

I think the implication was "the carriers in bankruptcy and/or losing their shirts" should be reducing capacity, while the carriers that are making a buck or two are obviously in a position to increase.

With four legacies in or just out of bankruptcy, it's easy to see that there is an artificial support of capacity going on. Were these carriers required to pay their bills (I'm not debating bankruptcy laws, just making a point), then they would certainly either be reducing capacity or being out of business entirely.

Instead, you have airlines losing BILLIONS and just plodding along with new routes, new partner regional routes, etc.

Why should WN NOT grow if they can make a buck? Just so the moneylosers can continue to be moneylosers? That's called charity.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 31):
Midwest has a better product and they start next week.

I'm sure you're correct, but what does that have to do with this thread?

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
We hear this argument all the time. It always reminds me of when MetroJet and Southwest went head to head at BWI. The bottom line is that cheap seats and safe reliable service is what counts in the domestic market.

I thought it was Different Strokes for Different Folks? Anyhow, there is room for more than one business model, provided the various models actually can make a profit.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 36):
This was a positive post until your BS started getting spewed. Even I was being positive towards WN.

So noted  Smile.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 39):
Southwest just keeps digging themselves into a hole, what I mean by that is just in one article, they said that capacity in the US needs to be reduced, and yet next year they are growing their fleet 11%. WN has become the most contradicting company. They must think they own the world that everyone else should drop capacity so they can increase it. The have done a lot of this lately and makes me lose a heck of a lot more respect for them.

I think TxAgKuwait pretty much summed it up. I'm not sure where they say they "own the world". If I had a money making business, and I was surrounded by competitors who were losing money hand over fist, but kept opening more locations, why should I stop expanding and yet they keep going.

WN isn't being hypocritcal, just opinionated. I will agree, though, that they are POTENTIALLY digging a hole. At some point their exponential growth will be so large that they will be making regular 50 flight addition announcements, and they will hit a wall of sorts in their growth, cost structure, etc. Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 33):
We hear this argument all the time. It always reminds me of when MetroJet and Southwest went head to head at BWI. The bottom line is that cheap seats and safe reliable service is what counts in the domestic market.

People care about product. That "head to head" you speak of was with a "like" coach product and a losing cost structure for US. Midwest has a better product and only 50 people a day out of about 300 need to pay for that product for Midwest to be successful. If you like flying in cramped quarters, enjoy yourself. I for one am happy to see a better and affordable option when visiting family or traveling on business and I'll gladly drive to Milwaukee vs. O'Hare to get it. I don't do the Midway shuffle.
 
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RE: Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:26 am

Well to update the MCI situation, here is what I found:

MCI will lose all N/S service to PVD and SLC.
MCI will lose 1x daily to ABQ (dropping it from 3 to 2)

So, in the end I believe we are gaining one flight out of this 'schedule enhancement'.

SWA is definitely going after Midwest on the SAN and TPA routes, seeing that they added one extra frequency. And they are going after NWA on the IND routes. This enhancement at MCI seems more retaliatory than anything. Just my thoughts though.