glidepath73
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ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:53 pm

Hi!
As "Badische Zeitung" recently wrote, the Swiss government talks about a fourth runway for ZRH. The article said, the traffic increase till 2020 in ZRH will make another RWY necessary (Can't post a link, since the newspaper shows only the headline in the net).

How do you think could a fourth runway be implemented in the current runway system at ZRH? I've heard once, that RWY 14-32 should be moved to create a parallel RWY 16L-34R. (On top of the highway to Bülach) But then, we would still have only three runways in ZRH.

What did you hear about this?

Regards,
Patrick
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AlanUK
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:15 pm

I think this is silly. With 3 runways, ZRH handles an average of 20 million passengers a year. (17 million in 2003 is the last exact figure I have).

When you think that LHR with only 2 runways manages a whooping 80 million. If we follow these statistics, ZRH could easily get the job done with... half a runway!

Kidding of course, but it makes me wonder why a third runway is required at ZRH?!

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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 1):
When you think that LHR with only 2 runways manages a whooping 80 million.

LHR only handles 67,343,960 passengers, not 80 million. Also, there is a reason LHR has so many restrictions on service while ZRH has none of them.
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glidepath73
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:13 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 1):
Kidding of course, but it makes me wonder why a third runway is required at ZRH?!

ZRH has already three runways: 16-34, 10-28 and 14-32

The actual runway system is not very lucky in ZRH. Take offs on 16 are restricted by the landing traffic on 14 (possible go-around's) 10-28 and 16-34 cross each other, which restricts the maximum traffic there. LHR has parallel runways, in ZRH all runway's restrict somehow each other.

Regards,
Patrick

[Edited 2005-10-28 10:13:32]
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Carpethead
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:23 pm

Usually its landing capacity that constrains an airport.
Couldn't ZRH add a few taxiways and implement to following arrival procedure:
South/east wind: Land-10 & 14.
North/west wind: Land-32 & 34.
Takeoffs would primarily be on the non-landing runway and heavies can utilize the longest runway between arrivals.

With LX downsizing, it's hard to tell whether the extra capacity will be needed. Then again with LX to soon be coming under the LH umbrella, ZRH could see growth as FRA & MUC become constrained.
 
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:28 pm

Quoting Glidepath73 (Thread starter):
the Swiss government talks about a fourth runway for ZRH

This debate is part of a larger discussion on the so called "Infrastrukturplan Luftfahrt" (Swiss infrastructure master plan for aviation).

At the moment there are quite a few stakeholders especially in the canton of Zurich who want to impose a mandatory legal ceiling on the number of take offs and landings at ZRH.

The cantonal government in Zurich and the ferderal government in Berne are opposed to fixed ceilings while acknowledging the concerns of those who are affected by the noise which is major issue in densely populated Switzerland.

As the airport will soon reach its "natural" capacity limit, not putting a legal limit on the numbers of arrivals and departures would mean that the airport would have to be allowed to expand its capacity and that would mean changes to the current runway system.

While it is extremely unlikely that any such changes will be implemented in the next decade or two given the current political climate, it is nevertheless important that these long term options are being discussed now at all levels of government now, so that the airport will have have a clear legal and regulatory framework under which to plan its future.

Given the acquisition of LX by LH one can only hope that the severely strained relations between the canton of Zurich and the German Bundesland of Baden Würtemberg which have led to the problematic regulations under which the airport is currently operating will be mended in the future.
 
glidepath73
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 5):
Given the acquisition of LX by LH one can only hope that the severely strained relations between the canton of Zurich and the German Bundesland of Baden Würtemberg which have led to the problematic regulations under which the airport is currently operating will be mended in the future.

That's really true!
I hope that the LH deal will change something here in Germany very soon.
There would be no discussion about this issue, if ZRH would be located in Germany...

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 6):
hope that the LH deal will change something here in Germany very soon.
There would be no discussion about this issue, if ZRH would be located in Germany...

Maybe the new German grand coalition which will also include a new transport minister will help things along as well, as the SPD and CDU will no longer be able to use the issue of overflight rights on the approach into ZRH for partisan politics.

On can only hope that all involved parties in Switzerland and Germany have by now realised that the current mess is a typical lose-lose situation and that a further unwillingness of Baden-Würtemberg to compromise would eventually lead to a new approach that would bring even more noise to the German communities along the Rhine river while staying on the Swiss side of the border and therefore in Swiss airspace..
 
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RE: ZRH - Fourth Runway In 2020

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:40 pm

Maybe shut down the 10/28 and lay a parralel runway next to 14/32 and 16/34...

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 6):
Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 5):
Given the acquisition of LX by LH one can only hope that the severely strained relations between the canton of Zurich and the German Bundesland of Baden Würtemberg which have led to the problematic regulations under which the airport is currently operating will be mended in the future.

That's really true!
I hope that the LH deal will change something here in Germany very soon.
There would be no discussion about this issue, if ZRH would be located in Germany...

Regards,
Patrick

yes,

those 90° turns at the 14/16 ILS's are getting annoying after a while...
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