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End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:02 pm

The countdown has started on the remaining days of three-engined commercial aircraft in Japan. The last flights of JL DC-10s will be on October 31. One aircraft will fly HKG-NRT and another NRT-ICN-NRT. Originally, the last flights were supposed to be next year but due to the cost of fuel and drop in demand, the timetable was moved up.

The first jet 3-holer of course was the 727 in Japan waaaaay back in the 60s. L-1011s were operated by ANA from the mid-70s until 1995. JL operated the MD-11 from 1994 to 2004. Both ANA, JAL and some predecessors operated 727s.

After the DC-10s are off the Japanese register there will be only two aircraft that will be three engined. Two Dassault Falcon 900 operated by the Coast Guard.

At least we will still have plenty of other carriers providing flights into Japan with three-holers like FX, 5X, AY, etc.
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:16 pm

Hi!

Yes, that's another chapter ending in japonese civil aviation. I was quite surprised to know that the DC-10 actually stayed LONGER than the MD11 with JL!!!! I also miss the 3-holers around. Here in LIS we get RG regulary with MD11's, and we still a few L1011-500's from portuguese charter airlines ( YES Air, Euro Atlantic, Lusair ).
I was in KIX last May and I only saw two MD11's, one from AY and another from FedEX, the rest was 744's, 777's, 767's..... very few narrow bodies there!
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:42 pm

I unexpectedly flew NRT-ICN on a JAL DC-10 in June, due to an equipment change. It was definitely a trip back in time. The interior still retained much of the lettering and insignia from the 70s and 80s branding era, not to mention "McDonnell Douglas" everywhere (as opposed to Boeing). It was an interesting trip.

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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:48 pm

Why did JL retire their MD-11s before their DC-10s?
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
Why did JL retire their MD-11s before their DC-10s?

Because they could get more money selling the MD-11s. The PW powered DC-10-40s, or DC-10s in general, are not exactly in demand for anything and head straight to the desert to get parted out and destroyed. All their MD-11s were sold to UPS for conversion to freighters very quickly.

Here's the JAL DC-10's last day in HNL. First one is JA8542 pushing back.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../ready/ja8542-last-day-26oct05.jpg

This one is with HNL JAL and JHI managers waving and bowing. It would have been better if that fuel truck didn't purposely stop in front of me. I couldn't get a better one because there also was another van stopped in front of the fuel truck just a few seconds earlier.

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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:25 am

Just one extra tidbit on the history of the DC-10 in Japan. Japan Air System (JAS) which has merged into JAL used to operate a few DC-10s and these, used to fly to Singapore regularly until the airline stopped serving the route.
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:42 am

Has JAL already retired the DC-10's that they had modified for domestic use?
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:05 am

I remember for a while we got lots of JAS DC-10s flying into HKG, I saw them everyday...

Oh well, those are gone now I guess
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:02 pm

Last flight touched down about 23 minutes ago, at 16:37..
It was flight JL952 ICN-NRT, operated by JA8541.

Goodbye JAL DC-10s, you will be missed ...  Sad
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:58 pm

Its a shame to see another major removing a classic tri-jet from their fleet.I guess its a sign of the times though.

Soon all we will see are airports totally dominated by twins. Watching the 'golden age' of the jet disappear is not something that I enjoy seeing, but it has to happen  Sad

To all the remaining DC-10's, L1011's, MD-11's and 747-classics out there...... hang on in there Big grin
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:07 am

JA8543 operated the last flight from Hong Kong this morning.
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:30 am

Next planned to go real soon will be their A300s. At which point, JL will have an all Boeing fleet (or at least mainline fleet).

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
Why did JL retire their MD-11s before their DC-10s?

What Ha763 said. Plus, I think ANA is thinking the same thing with their minor A320 order. They plan to eventually retire them all in favor of 73Gs, but selling A320s would net more money than buying some 737 Classics and then turning around and dumping them not soon after. Japanese airlines consider resell value a big factor in their fleet planning.

- John

[Edited 2005-10-31 16:33:57]
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:21 pm

A blink of an eye and suddenly those lovely birds no longer grace the skies, sporting the tsuru or rising sun.

Still nice to see JL flying the B747 classics, but I can bet those will be next on the axe after the A300s.
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:02 pm

Man, when I first saw the headline of this topic, the DC-10 was the last thing that came to mind.
 
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RE: End Of 3-holers In Japan (almost)

Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:38 pm

The next aircraft type to be leaving JL group will be the YS-11 next year.
The older A300-B2/B4 will be withdrawn next year but the A300-622Rs will be with JL for rest of this decade and a good part of next.
If anything the next aircraft type to go will be the Mad Dogs with the coming of the 737NG.
The 743s will stay a long time unless price of gas goes insanely up.

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