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Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:25 am

I was watching the BBC1 news yesterday and they were talking about how Ryanair do well in transporting people around Europe for nearly nothing. They also mentioned the possibility of longhaul, but if Aer Lingus do well on Longhaul routes with very low fares why cant Ryanair or could they?
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:30 am

Oh dear, I don't particularly enjoy flying FR from ABZ-DUB(50 minute flight)(well I do enjoy it if it's a 732), I'd hate to fly with FR over the pond.
What A/C would they probably purchase if they were to do this?

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:35 am

Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:38 am

I would never fly them to New York on 737-800 maybe a 767.
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

I highly doubt it.  Smile

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:35 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

Not if the A/C was in high density config, like all FRs 738s are.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:49 am

This has been discussed alot. Ryanair are never ever ever going to fly longhaul.
They have a strict 737-800 policy and therefor won't being being any longhaul aircraft. Ryanair, like Easyjet, are very open about the fact that 3 and a half hours is about the upper limit for a LCC flight. If Ryanair was to fly longhaul they probably wouldn't be any cheaper than existing translalantic carriers due to the complexity of scheduling, fuelling and staffing those long journeys.
No longhaul for Ryanair.
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:24 am

RyanAir won't do long haul.
It's a totally different market.
1-They will need catering, and you can't really ask passengers to pay for food on a 8 hour flight can you ?
2- They would have to use a bigger aircraft , a 757-200ER for example
3-They will need more legroom, and window blinds
4- They will have to have a bigger hold luggage allowance
5- They will need some sort of IFE
6- They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..
7-They will have to have more flight and cabin crew, because of lay overs
8- I doubt the American Government will be too happy about having FR flying to their country/ airports
9- They won't be able to sell tickets for cheap fares such as £1
10-They'll face heavy compotition form the likes of BA, VS, UA, AA, form LHR and US, CO,BD etc from MAN and LGW
11- They would need more than 1 economy class, at least 2 classes ( a higher level class and an economy class).
12- They'll need something good to attract passengers form LHR/LGW/MAN operators.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:39 am

Actually, I beg to differ. As a passenger I wouldnt mind the following if it was a cheap fare:

1 Id take my own food, or buy on board, if I do it on a flight to Spain then I dont mind doing it on a flight to the US.
2 Jet2 operate a 757, if an LCC was serious about doing it then they would lease 1
3 Legroom I agree with, but it wouldnt be a 738. 757s are used by TOM, and FCA on long haul routes to egypt
4 Agreed, more hold allowance - but it would be a different operation to the EU routes
5 You could have IFE that you pay for, another frill - if you just want the cheap seat then thats what u get, if u want more, pay for it.
6 Stansted, Luton, Nottingham, Bristol - any LCC airport could be used. And why not use JFK, jetBlue use it. If not, what about the possibility of a smaller regional airport being converted to support transatlantic flights like Islip Long Island for NYC.
7 If it was a daily flight, crew could stay for one night, minimising cost. You would need 5 cabin crew on a 757.
8 USA mite be happy on having FR or U2 landing there
9 How about cheap tickets for around £89.99 one way inc tax???
10 FR have always had competition
11 why would you need 2 classes - theres no need
12 FR had heacy competition on the DUB LON route, but now are the biggest operater

So why wouldnt it work - I think that the ideas of maxjet are wrong, for a traveller like myself. I believe that flights would leave full everyday.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:43 am

Well, recently MOL stated in an interview that longhaul would be a "natural/logic" extension to FR´s activities.
So, the Q is if they can do it with the B738...
At the moment the range of the B 738 (even with winglets) is not sufficient for a non-stop from europe except probably SNN-ISL (Islip - on Long Island north of NYC where also WN operates into to serve the NYC-market)
Not to forget the ETOPS resrtictions...
Only the B 73G (737-700) can go without payload restriction over the pond from continental Europe.

As MOL always has "radical" ideas to cut expenses i can quite well imagine the possibility of transatlantic service by FR!
And despite the unwillingness of many passengers (and some members of this forum) to be cramped in a high density 737-800 for 7-8 hrs finally the ticketprice will drive demand as on all other routes that FR operates. I am quite confident that it will happen that way. Remember that WN successfully flies non-stop BWI-OAK for some time already and the difference in flyingtime to a transatlantic is rather marginal.
Which proves that the market will accept a B738 on such a route if the pricetag is low enough...(e.g. 99,-US$ ow transcont isn´t bad at all...)
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
8- I doubt the American Government will be too happy about having FR flying to their country/ airports

Why?  Smile

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
6- They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..

Why?  Smile

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
5- They will need some sort of IFE

LH don't have IFE in most of their long haul aircraft, so FR wouldn't be alone, should it choose not to provide it.

Should Ryanair go into long haul (Unlikely at the moment, but....) their product would have to be adjusted slightly. However, as stated above, if the price was right you'd probably be surprised how much people would sacrifice.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:48 am

Ryanair almost certainly won't fly long-haul, but:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need catering, and you can't really ask passengers to pay for food on a 8 hour flight can you ?

Why not? Happens all the time on trains, in cars and on coaches/buses. Why is flying different? Because, again, of the perception.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need more legroom, and window blinds

Not necessarily. It's all about value-for-money. If you could fly to, say, India for a fiver return you wouldn't care about a couple of inches.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will have to have a bigger hold luggage allowance

I think people should pay X for whatever they're taking, so if you don't have any check-in luggage, you don't pay for it, whereas if you have 50 KGs, you pay for that. Fairer to all.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need some sort of IFE

You don't normally get any entertainment on buses/cars, in cars and on most trains, so what's the issue with flying? It's perception again. People should have the option to pay for IFE. If one person doesn't want to watch the TV, then they don't need to pay for it. If another does, then they can pay for it. Simple. The same with food and drink. Pay for what you want. Don't pay if you don't want it.

If you offer great products at great prices, so the value element will be fantastic, people will always buy it and several times.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..

So long as there is a suitable airport (in terms of location, facilities, etc.) and a deal can be struck, then I don't see why this need be a problem.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They would need more than 1 economy class, at least 2 classes ( a higher level class and an economy class).

Why???!

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They'll need something good to attract passengers form LHR/LGW/MAN operators.

Yep: unbeatable value-for-money. The cheapest fares and the best punctuality; safety; frequency; and reliability. What a perfect combination.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:07 am

The point in the business model of the LCCs is that on shorthaul flights the direct and unavoidable operation costs are only a relatively small part of the overall costs. A lot of money goes into many kinds of services: booking, airport fees, onboard service, ground service etc. For that, LCCs cut all these costs down by offering no service, flying to remote airports, booking at the internet only, etc. On longhaul, costs like aircraft purchase/leasing, fuel, mx, pilot wages etc. are the lion's share of overall costs, and the LCC business model can't cut costs here.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting A350 (Reply 12):
LCCs cut all these costs down by offering no service, flying to remote airports, booking at the internet only, etc.

Wow, that's a generalization.

It might be true of some LCC's - especially in Europe - but it isn't true of them all.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
USA mite be happy on having FR or U2 landing there

Only if they are willing to pay landing fees and charges and don't ask for subsidies...

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
If the price is right - anyone would fly, thats already been proved!

If the price is right, human beings would do anything...

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
Remember that WN successfully flies non-stop BWI-OAK for some time already and the difference in flyingtime to a transatlantic is rather marginal.

You forgot to mention WN's seat pitch is very comfortable, unlike FR's or most other non-US LCC's.

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
e.g. 99,-US$ ow transcont isn�t bad at all...)

Condor already offers such deals.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 10):
LH don't have IFE in most of their long haul aircraft

Wrong. They have IFE, but no PTVs.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 10):
Should Ryanair go into long haul (Unlikely at the moment, but....) their product would have to be adjusted slightly.

Yes - they should also charge for using lavatories. Would bring them a lot of money on longhaul flights. Or dirty and smelly cabins of course...  melting 

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):

Why not? Happens all the time on trains, in cars and on coaches/buses. Why is flying different?

Because food and drinks on trains are usually cheaper than aboard FR, and apart from that not many train journeys go for eight hours or more nonstop. Plus you get more legroom on trains usually.
When going in car, one can stop. When did you drive for eight hours nonstop last time? Busses also stop regularly. And dry air (which requires to drink regularly) is something you usually find in aircraft cabins, not in trains, busses or cars.

So there is a difference, though you don't want to realize it.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
You don't normally get any entertainment on buses/cars, in cars and on most trains, so what's the issue with flying? It's perception again. People should have the option to pay for IFE. If one person doesn't want to watch the TV, then they don't need to pay for it. If another does, then they can pay for it. Simple. The same with food and drink. Pay for what you want. Don't pay if you don't want it.

Sure, let's pay for anything extra. In the end - if we had FR's model on longhaul flights - one would pay more for a journey than taking a regular flight with all services included. But people would only notice the ticket price in the first moment and forget about all extra costs...well, until they are on the trip.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
The cheapest fares and the best punctuality; safety; frequency; and reliability.

Yes, reliability - like flights being canceled with pax stranded for several days without alternatives being offered. Very reliable.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
If you want it to be fantastically special, then fly business or first.

Or Economy, if you choose the right carrier.


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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:40 am

Laker did it and did well until BA/VS killed them
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 15):
Laker did it and did well until BA/VS killed them

Totally wrong. Laker Airways went bankrupt in 1982 while VS took off in 1984. Actually Laker even inspired Richard Branson to start his airline.


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Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Wrong. They have IFE, but no PTVs.

Sorry, my mistake.  Smile

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:49 am

Interesting idea.
1) Landing rights in the US and destinations.
2) Aircraft.
3) Price.
4) Frequency.
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Yes, reliability

Yep. FR exceedingly rarely cancels any of its flights.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
When going in car, one can stop. When did you drive for eight hours nonstop last time? Busses also stop regularly.

Yes. You buy stuff you want. If you don't want it, you don't buy it. If I am travelling with Virgin Trains, where no food is included in the price unless in first, I will buy food if I want it and not if I don't. Simple. The same simple concept should apply in the air - but also with entertainment (like on Virgin Trains, where you buy headphones, etc., to listen to the music system), baggage, etc.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Sure, let's pay for anything extra.

Yep. That way those who want stuff pay for it, and those that don't, don't pay for it. The best and fairest way for all. The only things everyone should have is a seat and the necessary security stuff, etc. Other than all, all should pay for what they want, so they have more of a tailor-made flight rather than same-for-all.
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
Yep. FR exceedingly rarely cancels any of its flights.

But it happens and those pax have a big problem then...reliability also means a service must be reliable when trouble occurs.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
You buy stuff you want. If you don't want it, you don't buy it. If I am travelling with Virgin Trains, where no food is included in the price unless in first, I will buy food if I want it and not if I don't. Simple.

Simple and expensive, in FR's case. LCCs like germanwings or Virgin Blue charge charge reasonable prices, FR is a rip-off. And it would be an even worse rip-off on longhauls where pax are much more likely to demand food and drinks.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
The only things everyone should have is a seat and the necessary security stuff, etc. Other than all, all should pay for what they want, so they have more of a tailor-made flight rather than same-for-all.

"Tailor-made" flight on FR - with non-existent legroom, seats not reclining, no window blinds, rip-off prices for catering items and IFE - a heaven for travelers on eight hours or more...  sarcastic 


Those who enjoy to torture themselves for hours and take the risk of being stranded at an Indian regional airfield should be free to do so - but FR's longhaul entry would result in overall service levels on similar routes and in those markets decreasing massively. And that would be the real problem.


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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
LCCs like germanwings or Virgin Blue charge charge reasonable prices, FR is a rip-off.

Shame U2 charges the same - and in some cases, like tea, even more.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
with non-existent legroom

I believe FR's pitch is equal to, or better than, U2's.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
Those who enjoy to torture themselves for hours and take the risk of being stranded at an Indian regional airfield should be free to do so - but FR's longhaul entry would result in overall service levels on similar routes and in those markets decreasing massively. And that would be the real problem.

And who, precisely, has said that FR will be beginning long-haul flights? They won't be happening. So why the discussion???!
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
Shame U2 charges the same - and in some cases, like tea, even more.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
I believe FR's pitch is equal to, or better than, U2's.

I did not say U2 would do any better...

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
And who, precisely, has said that FR will be beginning long-haul flights? They won't be happening. So why the discussion???!

Nobody said. But I pointed out what it probably would mean if they did - because certain people seem to be longing for it while ignoring the consequences...


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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 22):
But I pointed out what it probably would mean if they did - because certain people seem to be longing for it while ignoring the consequences...

LMAO. Nonsense. If I could get a £5 return deal to India, I'd happily accept FR or whatever - even on an eight-hour flight. But that's just me.   Sure, some people will be willing to pay more for more comfort, IFE, food/drink/etc., but...

[Edited 2005-10-30 21:15:20]
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
LMAO. Nonsense. If I could get a �5 return deal to India, I'd happily accept FR or whatever - even on an eight-hour flight. But that's just me.

That's it exactly. Many people would do whatever if the price is low enough - it's not just you. And a low-standard LCC like FR gaining market share would most likely result in overall service levels to decrease...


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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
if I do it on a flight to Spain then I dont mind doing it on a flight to the US.

But a 8 hour flight across the Atlantic is different from your average 1 hour flight to Spain

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need catering, and you can't really ask passengers to pay for food on a 8 hour flight can you ?
Why not? Happens all the time on trains, in cars and on coaches/buses.

Because you can get off at the next stop/ service station and get a bite to eat, slightly different on a plane

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
2 Jet2 operate a 757, if an LCC was serious about doing it then they would lease 1

That's what I said, in reply to the question if the 738 could do the flight.

Look, Long Haul is a different story to a 1 hour flight to MAD.
That's why no LCC has done it in about 20 years, if it was that greater of an opertunity, FR and U2 would have been flying over the Pond for years and there would be no such thing as a full service airline if it was that great.
you may think it sound a good idea and that a few inches wouldn't matter because you can save £100 compared to economy in a full service airline, but about 4 hours into the flight, you'll start to think different,Your legs will hurt and you will end up sitting there, nothing to do, no IFE or PTV, no cooked meals to tuck into etc.What are you going to do then ? And all that for getting up at the crack of dawn for a 4am departure for a 8 hour flight to somewhere in America that you've never heard in the middle of the desert where you have to get a 3 hour bus journey to get to the nearest town. Real value for money  Yeah sure
sure you could stand up and walk about, but you can't walk up and down the single asile of a 757 for hours on end.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
Tailor-made" flight on FR - with non-existent legroom, seats not reclining, no window blinds, rip-off prices for catering items and IFE - a heaven for travelers on eight hours or more...

Thank you, finaly someone who can see some sence.

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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 25):
Because you can get off at the next stop/ service station and get a bite to eat, slightly different on a plane

LOL. Not at all. You can buy whatever you want onboard the aircraft or bring your own. Wow. So difficult.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 25):
finaly someone who can see some sence.

Shame that you, with so much "sence," can't even spell simple words. 'Nuff said.
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
Shame that you, with so much "sence,"

Ummm. I spelt that right, shame you can't read.  Wink

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
Not at all. You can buy whatever you want onboard the aircraft or bring your own.

And you can do that on a car journey.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 27):
Ummm. I spelt that right, shame you can't read.

Don't go there..........

You've obviously never been in an FR argument with Pe@rson before... Big grin

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 27):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
Shame that you, with so much "sence,"

Ummm. I spelt that right, shame you can't read.

Replace 'c' with 's' and, yes, it'll be right.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 27):
And you can do that on a car journey.

Yes, precisely.
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
Shame that you, with so much "sence," can't even spell simple words. 'Nuff said.

Why am I not surprised someone distracts from the subject for something insignificant such as a typo...  scratchchin 

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 25):
you may think it sound a good idea and that a few inches wouldn't matter because you can save �100 compared to economy in a full service airline, but about 4 hours into the flight, you'll start to think different,Your legs will hurt and you will end up sitting there, nothing to do, no IFE or PTV, no cooked meals to tuck into etc.What are you going to do then ? And all that for getting up at the crack of dawn for a 4am departure for a 8 hour flight to somewhere in America that you've never heard in the middle of the desert where you have to get a 3 hour bus journey to get to the nearest town. Real value for money

Well said...


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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 25):
But a 8 hour flight across the Atlantic is different from your average 1 hour flight to Spain

What sort of aircraft do you fly on? The last time I went to Spain, it took a good bit longer than 1 hour!

Ah, it must be one of these.............

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
2- They would have to use a bigger aircraft , a 757-200ER for example

Wait a minute, the aircraft you mention doesn't exist.
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 28):
You've obviously never been in an FR argument with Pe@rson before...

Nope  Smile

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 29):
Replace 'c' with 's' and, yes, it'll be right.

I swear to GOD , I spelt sence right.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 32):
I swear to GOD , I spelt sence right.

Sense.  Smile

Like Common Sense:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Common+Sense&meta=

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Pe@rson
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 30):
Why am I not surprised someone distracts from the subject for something insignificant such as a typo...

Because Mr. Clever thinks he has senSe - and that his argument made senSe - yet he can't even spell the word. Ironic, yes, and very funny.

And, besides, you all know my opinions regarding Ryanair, and also that it is highly unlikely that a long-haul version of the airline will exist. So there's little point discussing it.

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"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 34):
And, besides, you all know my opinions regarding Ryanair, and also that it is highly unlikely that a long-haul version of the airline will exist. So there's little point discussing it.

But you did take part in the discussion first, and after some interesting (negative) aspects were thrown in you decided to distract from the subject suddenly...


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wrighbrothers
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 33):
Sense.

Ahhhhhhh, I got confused because..

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 26):
Shame that you, with so much "sence,"

Yes yes. I admit I was wrong,  Sad
I'm sorry, I was wrong,take it all back

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 34):
And, besides, you all know my opinions regarding Ryanair

I don't, I guess you like them.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 34):
Because Mr. Clever thinks he has senSe - and that his argument made senSe - yet he can't even spell the word. Ironic, yes, and very funny.

I too can laugh at it  biggrin  , We all make mistakes right.

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
3-They will need more legroom, and window blinds

Why more leg room? The charter airlines have been flying long haul since the 1990's with the same, if not less leg room than Ryanair.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
11- They would need more than 1 economy class, at least 2 classes ( a higher level class and an economy class).

Again, the charter airlines. Ok, they now have premium classes, but they operated for many years without it. And still the vast majority of charter long haul passengers don't upgrade, so are happy enough to put up with the leg room.
 
Pe@rson
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 35):
But you did take part in the discussion first, and after some interesting (negative) aspects were thrown in you decided to distract from the subject suddenly...

LOL. Whatever...

You should, by now, realise that the pros and cons of FR come up at least thrice-weekly, so repeating them becomes rather predictable and boring. I can't be bothered to argue with you when I believe what I want to believe and you believe what you believe. So let's stick to this and leave it there.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 31):
Wait a minute, the aircraft you mention doesn't exist.

Yes it does exist.

http://www.757.org.uk/phist/


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JM
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Gofly
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 36):

Wrightbrothers,

Don't worry about it. Nothing on here should be taken too seriously! Big grin

Take care,
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wrighbrothers
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:37 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 40):
Don't worry about it. Nothing on here should be taken too seriously!

Good, I don't like holding grudges ( is that spelt right  Wink ) or leaving a situation unhappy,depending on what you believe, you've only got one shot at life, make it a good one  Smile

Good wishes to all
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 40):
Don't worry about it. Nothing on here should be taken too seriously!

Indeed. It is, after all, merely a website. Hell, if you worry or get angry or whatever about things said herein, there really is no hope on the outside.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 42):
Indeed. It is, after all, merely a website. Hell, if you worry or get angry or whatever about things said herein, there really is no hope on the outside.

Friends Pe@rson ?
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Pe@rson
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 43):
Friends Pe@rson ?

LOL. I'd happily have a drink with JetMaster or anyone.

Also, I was just teasing you about the spelling - so don't worry. Next time, if there is one, just laugh and don't worry.  Smile

HOWEVER, I must disagree with:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 43):
British Airways , STILL the world favourite airline

 Wink
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:52 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 44):
HOWEVER, I must disagree with:
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 43):
British Airways , STILL the world favourite airline

Well.....  

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 44):
Also, I was just teasing you about the spelling

Good, well, not but ,ahhh you know what I mean

Cheers
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P.S-Pe@rson, i'd take you up on the drink but it's illegal, dam laws  

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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:56 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 45):
Pe@rson, i'd take you up on the drink but it's illegal, dam laws

Fair enough. But I'll tell you what: you buy my supply of alcohol and I'll forget all about the wee fact that you're underage.  Silly  Silly
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 39):
Yes it does exist.

No sir it does not exist. B767-200 ER exists. There is no such aircraft as a B757-200 ER

From the website you directed me to:

Although not a true "Extended Range" version of the aircraft, the 757-200(ER) first flew on 8th April 1986 and was delivered to Royal Brunei on 6th May 1986. The ER aircraft is certified to a higher gross takeoff weight, but does not feature additional fuel tank capacity (which is strictly speaking normally a feature of an ER variant)

[Edited 2005-10-30 23:16:41]
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JetMaster
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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 47):
No sir it does not exist. B767-200 ER exists. There is no such aircraft as a B757-200 ER

Yes, there is. It just depends on your point of view.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 47):
Although not a true "Extended Range" version of the aircraft, the 757-200(ER) first flew on 8th April 1986 and was delivered to Royal Brunei on 6th May 1986. The ER aircraft is certified to a higher gross takeoff weight, but does not feature additional fuel tank capacity (which is strictly speaking normally a feature of an ER variant)

Explains it quite well, doesn't it? Even jp airline fleets, Flight International or the NTSB use that (inofficial) designation, as well as leasing companies or operators:

http://www.atlasjet.com/ger/filo.htm

http://www.cameroon-airlines.com/index2.php?langue=fr&page=flotte

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...f+all-business+class+service+.html

http://www.fly-jet.com/aircraft/

http://www.ilfc.com/press/000503aeromexico.htm

http://www.israirairlines.com/welcome.asp

http://www.northamericanair.com/pres...Releases.asp?section=6&sub=3&id=12

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X13324&key=1

http://www.travelspan.com/TransMeridian.asp



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RE: Ryanair Worldwide?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
RyanAir won't do long haul.

That's what ppl said of SWA and a few months ago when Herb was telling Boeing employees that flying Intl was not high on there to-do-list yet. It will happen.

From the post: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2233332/

Oh yeah.. and looking through my notes, I realized that I left something out.

* Someone asked him when WN will start flying internationally. He responded "that given the utilization of our aircraft and turn around times, it would be very difficult to turn a Return on our Investment (ROI) like we can with a domestic destination. We looked at it, and we're going to do it, it's just not real high on our list of priorities."


Sorry for the omission guys! And thanks for your great remarks and support!


Ryanair bases there philosophy on the WN theory and management scheme, when Southwest starts look for Ryanair to start looking into it.
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