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LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:45 am

I have read that Luftansa management believes they can continue to run efficiently with both airbus and boeings in their fleet! I am wondering if the 777-300er and 787 might make up part of the Luftansa fleet in the future.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:48 am

The 787 is probably more likely than the 77W in their future plans!

But maybe LH could replace the 747's with a mix of 77W's and A380's!

LH also has the 346's which are competitors to the 77W's!

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:50 am

787s perhaps. Some people have suggested their A306s could be replaced by 783s.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:53 am

One could argue the 787-3 can be see as a likely replacement for A300/A310

However looking at the relative short flights LH performs with these aircraft and the higher empty weight of the -3 I´m not sure anymore.

LH has the 346 so I´m not sure were the 773 could fit in. Same for 787-8, RR powered A330´s are new in the LH fleet. Longer term, who knows..
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:59 am

LH doesn't need another large aircraft like the 777. They have plenty of those. The 787 seems like a likely fit. The 787 has great range, which may be something LH is looking for. If they were to buy the 787, I think it would the -800 and not the -300. They could use the plane in medium range markets (to replace the A300/310s) while still expanding in small long range markets where an A340 is too big.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:29 am

Quoting Georgiabill (Thread starter):
I am wondering if the 777-300er and 787 might make up part of the Luftansa fleet in the future.

There was a brief period of time around last year when LH considered the 773ER, but decided to continue with an A346 add-on order.

In my opinion, the only the 777F has a decent shot to represent the 777 family at LH. Unless fuel prices skyrocket again or LH begins some truely massive growth, I suspect the 773ER's chance has passed with LH.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
However looking at the relative short flights LH performs with these aircraft and the higher empty weight of the -3 I´m not sure anymore.

In what way? Fuel consumption or landing/weight related expenses?

It has been demonstrated that the 787-3 should burn considerably less fuel for a given mission (within its range) compared to the 763A or A300-6. As you already know, many of the new technology pushing fuel burn down adds opperating weight. The T1000 and Genx are heavier per shipset than the T700 or CF6, but consume sufficently less fuel to make economic sense.

IMO, it isn't suprising that the 787-3 has a high OEW. New generation aircraft are often heavier than their predescors, but still more efficent. The 73G weights more than the 733, but burns considerably less fuel per mission. Being a derrivitive of a long-haul aircraft, I think the OEW situation of the 787-3 is the best that can be done within the constrains of the (first priority) 787-8/9.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:31 am

I´ve heard just recently that LHs fleet management is indeed seriously interested in the 787. Inside LH there is some concern that they might become too dependent on one supplier (Airbus) and want to change that. The 744 will stay for very long, don´t expect them too leave the fleet in any considerably numbers before 2010 after the oldest have turned 20. The 737 will certainly leave the fleet a lot earlier than the 744 LH is very happy with.

As much as I heard the 747 Adv. and 777 chances aren´t too high though to find their way into LHs fleet, although both might fit into future LH Cargo operation.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:40 am

Agreed the 777-200LR freighter is most likely candidate to join LH in the near future. However I am sure the 777-300ER, could replace the 744 on some routes and give LH options to open new routes from Berlin and Munich which a 744 would be to big and a A340 would be to small. Just a thought!
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:09 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
In my opinion, the only the 777F has a decent shot to represent the 777 family at LH. Unless fuel prices skyrocket again or LH begins some truely massive growth, I suspect the 773ER's chance has passed with LH.



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
As much as I heard the 747 Adv. and 777 chances aren´t too high though to find their way into LHs fleet, although both might fit into future LH Cargo operation.



Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 7):
Agreed the 777-200LR freighter is most likely candidate to join LH in the near future. However I am sure the 777-300ER, could replace the 744 on some routes and give LH options to open new routes from Berlin and Munich which a 744 would be to big and a A340 would be to small. Just a thought!

Agreed. The 772LRF is the only MD11F replacement aircraft available so LH Cargo might go for the 772ERF but even if LH will go for the 772LRF it will take a long time as the MD11Fs operated by LH Cargo are still fairly new aircraft. IMO it will take a long time before we can see a Boeing order coming from LH but who knows. Time will tell...

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 4):
The 787 seems like a likely fit. The 787 has great range, which may be something LH is looking for. If they were to buy the 787, I think it would the -800 and not the -300.

LH are big enough to buy both the B787-3 and the B787-8 (and possibly the B787-9/10X as well) The B787-3 and B787-8 are virtually identical other than wingtips and fuselage thickness, neither of which is going to require a different spares inventory or MX training.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:03 pm

I do expect a large order for 787s or A350s as A343 replacement and for fleet growth, however, not before 2010. The race is probably absolutely open and the better offer wins. In case of an A350 purchase a few 783s are still possible.

For the T7, however, I'm not looking forward, except for the freighter. They will stay with the A346 and order more if they need more.

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting Georgiabill (Thread starter):
I am wondering if the 777-300er and 787 might make up part of the Luftansa fleet in the future.

Replace the yoke with a sidestick and they order 100s of them Big grin

Just kidding of course...

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:54 pm

DfwRevolution

Totally agree with this comments.
The only way the T7 family has to be part of the LH fleet is the cargo version.
If the cargo continues to grow at LH , it will be more and more difficult to find MD11Fs , thus the 777-200LRF will be the only solution.I expect very soon.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:19 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 12):
If the cargo continues to grow at LH , it will be more and more difficult to find MD11Fs , thus the 777-200LRF will be the only solution.I expect very soon.

The A380F is the alternative. LH cargo has already said they consider both the 777F and the A380F. I don't know if they will keep the MD11Fs in case of an A380F purchase, but I think it would make sense to keep them for thinner routes.

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 10):
For the T7, however, I'm not looking forward, except for the freighter. They will stay with the A346 and order more if they need more.

with LH basically purchasing Airbus the past number of years, it will be interesting to see if they will purchase some Boeings...

but in the end, its all about $$$ and they will go where they can get the better deal and what kinds of fleet suits them best.....if Boeing will be able to do the job, then they will purchase Boeings, if Airbus does the job, than Airbus it shall be...

that being said, would be nice to see some new Boeings in LH colours.. yes 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 13):
The A380F is the alternative.

Some how I question that. The A380F and the 777F are in very different leagues. The 777F can take denser freight than the A380F, while the A380F can take significantly more. There's no reason that they couldn't have both if they decide they want to introduce the 777 into their fleet.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:31 am

Could the 787-3 make a good replacement for LH's A300-600s?

Seems to me that the range and capacity are roughly comparable, maybe the 787 is a bit larger in capacity.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:45 am

You can expect a 777 - 300 ER order as replacement for their 744 fleet. Those old birdies just use too much fuel.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
that being said, would be nice to see some new Boeings in LH colours..

There are indeed a lot of chances for that. If I had to bet, I'd say 747 Adv. (They have stated interest in that, because the gap between the A346 and the 744 is somewhat small, that between the 744 and the A388 really big.)

Their CEO said he'd be interested in a long-range 787. I guess that means 787-8, for routes where the A343 is a little too big.

LH is an independent company, they can chose whatever plane they like. Although the large Airbus fleet makes more Airbus planes more likely. But they don't want to be with only one manufacturer, not at their size.

Quoting Amy (Reply 16):
Could the 787-3 make a good replacement for LH's A300-600s?

Seems to me that the range and capacity are roughly comparable, maybe the 787 is a bit larger in capacity.

Would make sense. The A306 is their workhorse for domestic and LHR flights, it seems they'll use them until they fall apart.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 7):
However I am sure the 777-300ER, could replace the 744 on some routes and give LH options to open new routes from Berlin and Munich which a 744 would be to big and a A340 would be to small.

If a 744 is too big and a 340 (assuming 340-300) too small, they will use the 340-600 hence no real need for the 773ER.

Quoting Buslover (Reply 17):
You can expect a 777 - 300 ER order as replacement for their 744 fleet. Those old birdies just use too much fuel

That should almost be considered as an insult against the 744. QF, AF, KE or SQ who all got brand new 744s in the past few years probably don't share your opinion. Even LH got its more recent 744 not even 4 years ago!
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:02 am

Hi,

i would love to see new Boeing orders from Lufthansa.
But i do not see a B787-Order because look at Lufthansa´s current big A330/340-Fleet: (Dec.05)

A330-200 (LX) 9
A330-300 (LH) 10
A340-300 (LH) 28
A340-300 (LX) 9
A340-600 (LH) 10 + 7 on order

This is a total of 66 + 7 on order!!!

So,why should LH invest in a completely different Airplane (787) instead of introducing a family-airplane - the A350..?

A shortrange A350 is likely to come as well.

I expect either B747A or B777-300ER Orders as a B744-Replacement!

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
So,why should LH invest in a completely different Airplane (787) instead of introducing a family-airplane - the A350..?

They could have both, the A350 is maybe a little to big for some routes, so they could buy a bunch of 787-8s. If they buy some 20 of them the family/commonality-issue will be ok, I suppose.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:46 am

Don't you think , before purchasing T7s (all versions) or 787s , they have to resolve firstly the 737 problem.
They will choose a new narrow body plane to replace these 737s , but they said it will not be in any case coming from the A320 family or 737NG family.
It will be one out of the successor of both these families.
Can somebody closed to this LH file confirmed in which order they want to buy planes.
T7/787/A350 first , or narrow bodies first ?
It will be interesting to get the answer.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:58 am

The two fleet areas (LH and LH cargo) have to be looked at separately as LH runs both as almost separate airlines.

LH is going to need an A306 replacement in the short term, and some have already left the fleet. So it's a short to medium range people carrier they need. Airbus doesn't really have anything in the pot at the moment for that sector as it's not a market they envisage doing much business with. So the 783 would be a favourite to get that business. However more point to point services negate the traffic which needs to be shuttled in and out of FRA by the A306 so they could well just downsize to the A321 on remaining feeder routes with the A330 if required.

As for LH Cargo, freight is the growth driver nowadays and with revised traffic forecasts showing that moving boxes will outstrip moving people for point growth in traffic, then look to see LH Cargo wanting more aircraft in the MD-11 mould. No specialist equipment at the journey end, which means a single decker. There is only one suitable aircraft at the moment and that's the 777F, so I'd say an order is looking probable and sooner than some might think.

They could opt for an A380F as well for major trunk routes but having watched them move to a smaller aircraft as standard and leaving the heavy lifts to Antonov or subcontract operators then their strategy would point to operating the 777F alongside the MD-11.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
As much as I heard the 747 Adv. and 777 chances aren´t too high though to find their way into LHs fleet, although both might fit into future LH Cargo operation.

What do you mean? They have openly expressed interest in the B 747A and LH is one of the airlines that are pushing for the B 747A, both passengers and cargo version
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:11 pm

Quoting Buslover (Reply 17):
You can expect a 777 - 300 ER order as replacement for their 744 fleet. Those old birdies just use too much fuel.

The were evaluating the 777-300ER last year but went for the A340-600.
No way for the 777-300 with LH anymore. Which is sad because while I like the A340-300 better than the 777-200 I prefer the 777-300 over the long A340-600.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Their CEO said he'd be interested in a long-range 787. I guess that means 787-8, for routes where the A343 is a little too big.

He meant the 787-900 because he talked about a longer version. But I agree with you. The 787-8 could open new markets for LH on long and thin routes.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
A shortrange A350 is likely to come as well.

When ? Not before the 787-3 hits the sky. Lets see if the A300-600 can wait that long.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
I expect either B747A or B777-300ER Orders as a B744-Replacement!

Only a 747A, 777 see above. The only 777 in LH cargos will most likely be a freighter or a short term lease similar to the 767s before.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 24):
What do you mean? They have openly expressed interest in the B 747A and LH is one of the airlines that are pushing for the B 747A, both passengers and cargo version

Agreed
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:00 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 23):
LH is going to need an A306 replacement in the short term, and some have already left the fleet.

According to information from a highly credible source inside LH they don't have to replace the A306 in the short term. Even if a few of them reach a critical amount of cycles it is no problem for LH to get some newer ones on the used market - like they already did when they purchased 2(?) ex EK A306s not too long ago. So again, LH feels no pressure to replace them in the short term.

Concerning rumors of A380F for LH Cargo: definitely not in this decade! As my source said: "not today, not tomorrow and possibly not the day after tomorrow". What we will see is the B772LRF.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:57 pm

Quoting Fraport (Reply 26):
According to information from a highly credible source inside LH they don't have to replace the A306 in the short term. Even if a few of them reach a critical amount of cycles it is no problem for LH to get some newer ones on the used market - like they already did when they purchased 2(?) ex EK A306s not too long ago. So again, LH feels no pressure to replace them in the short term.

Agreed, the A300-600 as well as the 737 are both planed to be used beyond 2010. But 2010 is not too far away so I do think that LH is planning for a replacement. What I do believe is that they wait and see how the low cost sector develops. Because with so many airlines (major and low cost) flying to London, Paris, Athens etc...there might be no use for a widebody on these routes.
A full sized widebody only to fly three cities within Germany from FRA like the A306 does now:
-HAM,
-TXL (later maybe BBI)
-MUC
seems to be a bit oversized. So they wait if they still need such a large airplane for short and medium haul in the near future. If not we will see a
higher capacity of A32X sized planes on these routes and sometimes maybe even a A330 if they need larger capacity. If yes we will see the 787-3 around 2012.
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I do not think that so many A300-600s are still available. Most of them are or will be converted to freighters and the rest is pretty much run down.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:37 am

LH has been leaning towards Airbus for the past few years especially with ordering the 380 and the bet seems to be that they will ultimately chose the 350 over the 787.

However with AC, a longtime Airbus loyalist, suddenly doing a 180 turn and dumping their Airbus widebodies in favour of Boeing, anything is possible in this marketplace....
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 28):
LH has been leaning towards Airbus for the past few years especially with ordering the 380 and the bet seems to be that they will ultimately chose the 350 over the 787.

But LH has said over the years that they have no interest to become independent from Airbus.
Although they have ordered the A380 they have shown interest in the 747Advanced. In fact they really love their 747s and will fly them for quite a while. The reason why they were leaning towards Airbus for the past years is that Airbus was that Airbus was faster and offered the better product for Lufthansa.
As Lufthansa was looking for a replacement for the 727 they choose the A320 (and ordered some 737-400, too, just for the case the A320 did not fulfill its expectations -the 737-400 have left the fleet so the A320 surely did).
The 737-700 and -800 were not available as Lufthansa bought the A320.

As they needed a replacement for the DC 10, the A340 was the airplane that was available at the time. The 777-200 rolled out years after that. As a big A340 customer it was very likely that they would choose the A340-600 over the 777-300.
As they did not choose the 777-300 last year and they publicly stated that they don´t want to go all Airbus it is very likely (but not certain) that they will choose the 787, now. I personally think there is huge possibilty of a joint 787/A350 order by Lufthansa.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
The 772LRF is the only MD11F replacement aircraft available so LH Cargo might go for the 772ERF but even if LH will go for the 772LRF it will take a long time as the MD11Fs operated by LH Cargo are still fairly new aircraft.

I'm not following this, I'm afraid.

There is only one 777 freighter, the 777-200F. It is based on the 777-200LR. There isn't one based on the 777-200ER.

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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 29):
But LH has said over the years that they have no interest to become independent from Airbus.

From the context, I think you meant the opposite:

they have no interest in becoming dependent on Airbus.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 31):
From the context, I think you meant the opposite:

they have no interest in becoming dependent on Airbus.

Yep, typo......
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:21 am

I am with those who believe that LH will continue with the A346 and A346HGW. Operating efficiencies of the 773ER aside, adding them into the fleet in terms of crew and operational/maintenance costs would probably outweigh them.

LH may go with the 787, or they may go with the A350. LH looks to be moving to an all-Airbus mainline fleet, but the A358 and A359 are larger then the 783 and LH does have those A306s to eventually replace.

I could see the 772F coming into their fleet, but as they phase out their 744 fleet as A388s enter service, they could convert them to 744Fs, which would allow them to improve their cargo lifting capacity teamed with their MD11Fs.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 29):
But LH has said over the years that they have no interest to become independent from Airbus.

But they in fact are dependent on Airbus.

I also see no chance for LH to buy 777s. Even if they are in cargo version. You are all mentioning the replacement of MD-11F, but forgot one very important fact. Those MD-11s are still very young and cargo planes, in general, are used much longer than pax planes, so I see no need for LH to rush into new deal for 777s if they can still use MD-11s and make money.

As for 787, I'm not so sure. LH could use them on thinner routes, but still I see no place for them.

There are two types that need replacement from LH fleet soon: A300-600s and 737Classics. It is strange, but LH seems hesitant to get rid of A300s and they still have a huge number of 737-300/500. Who knows, Lufthansa might even order some 737-700s to replace Classics. Currently, they definitely don't have enough A32Xs in their fleet to be able to simply retire 737s.
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:04 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 34):
Who knows, Lufthansa might even order some 737-700s to replace Classics. Currently, they definitely don't have enough A32Xs in their fleet to be able to simply retire 737s.

It's higly unlikely that LH orders 737NGs. As much as an order for further A32Xs is unlikely. They are propably pushing A and B to come up with successors. And here comes the replacement for the A306s into the game: if LH comes to the conclusion that the B787 is too big for this market (as LCCs in Europe become stronger) they might go ahead with a plane slightly larger than the A321 (or B739). My personal opinion is that LH will very likely be a launching customer for either the A32X- or B737-successor.

But that still does not mean that the 787 never will make it into LH fleet. I could imagine the B787-8 and/or -9 (or -10 if being built) as a long term A343 replacement.

[Edited 2005-11-13 13:05:32]

[Edited 2005-11-13 13:06:51]
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:14 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 24):

What do you mean? They have openly expressed interest in the B 747A and LH is one of the airlines that are pushing for the B 747A, both passengers and cargo version

I agree with previous posters that LH are unlikely to order the B777-300ER. Sooner or later their B747-400s will need to be replaced. In many cases the A340-600 (if still in production then) will be too small and the WhaleJet will be too large. I expect LH to order either the Adv JumboJet or a yet-to-be-developed large Airbus to challenge the market between the A350 and the WhaleJet.
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting Fraport (Reply 35):
It's higly unlikely that LH orders 737NGs. As much as an order for further A32Xs is unlikely. They are propably pushing A and B to come up with successors. And here comes the replacement for the A306s into the game: if LH comes to the conclusion that the B787 is too big for this market (as LCCs in Europe become stronger) they might go ahead with a plane slightly larger than the A321 (or B739). My personal opinion is that LH will very likely be a launching customer for either the A32X- or B737-successor.

The problem is LH does not wants to replace the 737 and the A320 with 737NGs or newly build A320s but both Airbus and Boeing don´t want to come out with a successor anytime soon. The 737NG and A320 are still selling very well.
LH is planning with the 737 until 2010 but before 2015 there has to be a replacement ready.
Regarding the 787 I think you are right. If Boeing and Airbus announce a A32X or 737 successor Lufthansa will definitely be a launch customer.
Who knows maybe they are already planning with the two manufacturers.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:28 pm

I think the 777-300ER is a likely replacement for LH's 744'S. With the improved economics it would allow LH to open new routes or increase frequencies from Munich. I also think the 787-300 could replace their A300's on their European routes, the 787-800's could be used to develope routes from Berlin, increase frequencies on routes from both FRA and MUN and open new routes from both cities. As far an enhanced 737 or A320 families of aircraft. I have seen threads and articles where WN has already expressed a commitment to buy a minimum 100 737X based on the 787 family. I would think if LH was looking for a renewal of their shorthaul fleet and with potential interest from WN then Boeing would be doing a study. It would be interesting to see what a 737 with 787 technology would do as far as range and operating economics
 
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RE: LH Are The 777 And 787 In Their Future?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 38):

Stop dreaming Georgiabill. LH won´t buy the 773ER as they already have the A346. Many people have told you this and I do so again, yet you seem to believe they will. LH knows what they´re doing. It is true that EK has/will get both, but they just need far more aircraft than LH and for this reason they opted to split the order.

As for LH Cargo, the 744BCF or 744SF or however it is called may be an alternative, as well as converted A343s if such a programme is offered.
Exceptions confirm the rule.