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The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:45 pm

Hello all,

Am I the only one?? I have seen several photos of the A380, I have even a Herpa 1:500 model of the A380 and it should be a huge aircraft.

Though.... I just checked the photos of the A380 at Frankfurt and there is no single photo which convinces me that we are dealing with a huge plane. Even the photo of the A380 parked at the gate seems quite normal.

Probably I have to wait to see one in real life, then I hope I am wrong...

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:56 pm

The A380 is an airplane that you really need to see up close to realize just how big the aircraft is. Reason being that it is not a long aircraft from the nose to the tail, but rather big from the ground to the fuselage.... Trust me on this, the A380 is a big aircraft.

You can get an idea as to how high the A380 stretches with this photo.



The A380 engines look like they can swallow the A318.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/MidnightMike/Paris%20Air%20Show%2016-June-2005/A318A380.jpg

Here is a photo of the 777-200LR, now compare that to the height of the A380.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/MidnightMike/Paris%20Air%20Show%2016-June-2005/f18dae01.jpg
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:10 am

No, its tiny. In fact if you park it 500 meters behind the A318 its even smaller than that..... not sure what the hell Airbus are on about....

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:14 am

It's not huge at all. It's just as its dimensions are.



Next topic: why does it seems so huge to my hamster ?
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:41 am

Photos I have seen from the front of the a380 has impressed me & given me an idea of the size of the a380 .

And photos from the top looking down on the a380 . From this angle you can really see the size of the wings .

Can anyone provide these photos ???

Thanks

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
Though.... I just checked the photos of the A380 at Frankfurt and there is no single photo which convinces me that we are dealing with a huge plane.

I agree. Especially in this picture I don't see the big deal compared to the United 747 in the background. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=948285&TopOfYest=yes

But then of course, this is just the first (short) version. You should compare it to the 747sp. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=811044 Yuck, how ugly. This one doesn't look too big either. But wait till the streched versions of the 380 will appear. Then it will look both impressive and beautiful.

BTW, how beautiful is the Boeing 777 livery! Eventhough I don't see how to compare with the A380 on this photo...
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:07 am

well it is relative to say that it is small or big. I depends on who you ask, but I too am not impressed with the size of the A380 based on the photos i've seen. the tail is big, but the length is not much more than the 747. What impresses me is the size of the AN225!!  Smile love it!
 
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:26 am

This picture kinda brings it home....


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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:15 am

When I saw it at Paris I was suprisd at how small it was compared to the image that I had built up in my mind.

It was parked next to the A346 and that made it look short. The tail is very high though.

Can't wait to see it at LHR.

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:25 am

its a bulky airplane, its not a mammoth except for the engines and tail. The tail is like 3 times as high as the airplane itself, amazing
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:57 am

^What makes it carry that many people is it's cross section... having a 10 abrest Y class on the lower deck and 8 abreast Y on the upper deck.

The wingspam, tail and engines are huge aswell.

But it's shorter than both the 773ER and 346.

The 380-900 will be another thing though!  Wink
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
I just checked the photos of the A380 at Frankfurt and there is no single photo which convinces me that we are dealing with a huge plane.

Do you normally travel by cruise ship or oil tanker?
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:34 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 11):
Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
I just checked the photos of the A380 at Frankfurt and there is no single photo which convinces me that we are dealing with a huge plane

Do you feel the same for An225???
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 pm

Quoting A360 (Reply 10):
The 380-900 will be another thing though!

Oh yes I agree on that one! I'm sure it will!

And for the size... I'll wait till I see it myself in Farnborough or somewhere next year before I comment  Wink
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:08 pm

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 1):
The A380 engines look like they can swallow the A318.

Forget the engines looks at those winglets.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 6):
What impresses me is the size of the AN225!! love it!

So true. Have you seen the pic of it at Frankfurt with the "Follow Me Car" (sorry don't know how to put pics in here). Photo Id 214 929. Really puts into proportion its size compared to the VW van.

I reckon the A388's big enough. A bit off topic, do any airlines have firm A389 orders so far?

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Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:26 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 14):
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:53 pm

Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
Hello all,

Am I the only one??

No you are not. I saw it at the Paris Air Show, - and I am sorry to say but it is not "huge", - bug of course very big...
It is very high compared with the 747, and the wing/wingspan is huge. The 346 is a "lot" longer, but wait and see the -900!

Try this link, - and you are able to compare this mighty beautifully flying whale to an Elephant or VW Golf, - or more relevant the 747.

http://www.spiegel.de/flash/0,5532,10309,00.html
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:27 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 2):
No, it's tiny. In fact if you park it 500 meters behind the A318 it's even smaller than that..... not sure what the hell Airbus are on about....

That made me laugh out loud. I like this kind of humor.

But seriously, from 744 to 380 is not the jump in size that 707 to 747 was. As others have remarked, it is not the longest aircraft either.

Finally, as Norma Desmond said " I AM big, it's the pictures that got small..."
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:49 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 11):
Do you normally travel by cruise ship or oil tanker?

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:01 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 3):
Next topic: why does it seems so huge to my hamster ?

Brilliant!!! I laughed for nearly a minute.

Quoting A360 (Reply 10):
^What makes it carry that many people is it's cross section... having a 10 abrest Y class on the lower deck and 8 abreast Y on the upper deck.

We'll see how long the main deck stays 10 abreast. Remember that the JumboJet started out 9 abreast. My guess is the WhaleJet will be 11 abreast very soon. The WhaleJet's fuselage is 30 inches wider than the JumboJet's. Even at 11 abreast, the WhaleJet will have more spacious seating than the JumboJet has at 10 abreast.

Quoting A360 (Reply 10):
The 380-900 will be another thing though!

If it is ever produced.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:23 pm

Its a shame they didn't park it next to a 747 when it was at Frankfurt, just to give everyone an idea of the size difference. I think its mainly the wingspan which is more noticable.

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:37 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 14):

no, not yet  Smile

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 15):

thankyou! Big grin
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:51 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 14):
do any airlines have firm A389 orders so far?

There is nothing to order yet. There is no authority to offer, just speculation. It is not at all clear whether or not there will ever be an A380-900. Until the A380-800 enters service and the airlines see how the economics play out, no one is particularly interested in ordering a stretch. EK are the most interested, but they will not order before they have A380-800s flying.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:23 pm

A number of airlines have said they would like to order, if Airbus was granted authority to offer. Fedex being one of them.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:11 pm

The only way you will really appreciate its size is when you wander into the Immigration area, just after one has landed, and join the back of the queue for processing.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:14 am

Forgive me if this seems a stupid question, but has any airline ever attempted more than 10 abreast config???

I assume the 3-4-3 configs found in 747's, 777's and DC10/MD11's are the widest to date. If the A380 goes for 11 abreast, what would be the likely config, and what could that feasibly increase total pax numbers too.

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Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting Hantsflyer27 (Reply 25):
Forgive me if this seems a stupid question, but has any airline ever attempted more than 10 abreast config???

I assume the 3-4-3 configs found in 747's, 777's and DC10/MD11's are the widest to date.

Correct.

Quoting Hantsflyer27 (Reply 25):
If the A380 goes for 11 abreast, what would be the likely config, and what could that feasibly increase total pax numbers too.

The config would be 3-5-3. Total seating would depend on many factors, but Airbus has discussed 800-odd for the A380-800.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:37 am

Again,
The a380 is a huge a/c !

Please, can someone provide photos of the a380 from the front and photos or drawings of the a380 from above the a380 looking down on the a/c !!!

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:37 am

I completely agree with you, Varig767. When the project was first launched, I thought wow, this thing is going to be HUGE! Looking at all the new pictures of it, it doesn't seem to be THAT big. I mean sure, its pretty large. Looks to me like maybe a little bigger than the 747. It's just not what I expected.

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Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:44 am

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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:44 am

A C-5 didn't look impressive at a distance at an airshow last year and I thought it was a C-17 instead. Once I got closer did I see how big it was.

I can understand why Boeing fans hate to see the 747 dethroned after only 35 years.....
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:42 am

Although I have not seen it in real life yet, it seems to me that the A380 has something wrong with it, design-wise, because it does not look big to me either. It is bulky and its tail is huge, but it lacks the sleek forms of for instance the 747, which in combination with its size makes it look both huge and beautiful... The A380's wings however are absolutely stunning! Perhaps some of the the A380's future operator's liveries will help it look big and beautiful though.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:20 am

Quoting Halibut (Reply 27):
Please, can someone provide photos of the a380 from the front and photos or drawings of the a380 from above the a380 looking down on the a/c !!!

will this do?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/747-v-380.jpg
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting Blast (Reply 31):
Although I have not seen it in real life yet, it seems to me that the A380 has something wrong with it, design-wise, because it does not look big to me either. It is bulky and its tail is huge, but it lacks the sleek forms of for instance the 747, which in combination with its size makes it look both huge and beautiful... The A380's wings however are absolutely stunning! Perhaps some of the the A380's future operator's liveries will help it look big and beautiful though.

It's built to get a job done, not to be a museum piece. Form follows function. If it gets me where I want to go quickly, comfortably, and at a fair price, then I don't care what it looks like.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:59 am

MidnightMike said it best I think. I have commented that the A380 doesn't appear to be that large, and it is because compared to the large width and height of the fuselage, it does not appear to be very long. Of course when you view it with a ramp worker walking by or next to other aircraft, it is obviously quite massive.

I think the issue here is that some people are not distinguishing between their perception of it's size due to its relative dimensions and its actual size.
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:13 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
It's built to get a job done, not to be a museum piece. Form follows function. If it gets me where I want to go quickly, comfortably, and at a fair price, then I don't care what it looks like.

Zvezda, you have a point. However, if I were to have designed an airplane so big, and with possibly such a huge impact on aviation, I would have designed something that would have looked good.

Big airliners capture people's imagination, therefore I 'd say that its functional form should actually also be aesthetically appealing.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:45 am

Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
I just checked the photos of the A380 at Frankfurt and there is no single photo which convinces me that we are dealing with a huge plane. Even the photo of the A380 parked at the gate seems quite normal.

I saw her taxiing at FRA from the upper deck of a 744 and she looked big enough to me. Our Captain evidently pushed himself out of the cockpit window to see if he was as tall as the A380. Big grin

The A380 taxied in front of a CRJ-200/CL-65 and I can tell you the RJ looked tiny.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
We'll see how long the main deck stays 10 abreast. Remember that the JumboJet started out 9 abreast. My guess is the WhaleJet will be 11 abreast very soon. The WhaleJet's fuselage is 30 inches wider than the JumboJet's. Even at 11 abreast, the WhaleJet will have more spacious seating than the JumboJet has at 10 abreast.

True, true.... let's when if in 10 years from now, the average abreast will be 10 or 11.  Wink
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 34):
Of course when you view it with a ramp worker walking by or next to other aircraft, it is obviously quite massive.

Exactly...I didn’t think the 777 was very big either until I finally saw it parked at a gate next to an M80. The M80 can drive under the wingtip of a 777 without its tail even touching it. You have to realize too that it's not necessarily the size, but the capacity that make the A380 stand out.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 3):
It's not huge at all. It's just as its dimensions are.



Next topic: why does it seems so huge to my hamster ?

Hahaha very clever. I agree, doesn't seem to big to me.
 
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RE: The A380 Doesn't Seem To Be Big At All?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 36):
Our Captain evidently pushed himself out of the cockpit window to see if he was as tall as the A380.

The Flight Deck windows don't open on the 744 - at least not on my airlines anyway.

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