Lindy
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Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:00 am

Hi All,

With all the fuel fuss in airline industry why Delta is not thinking about installing winglets on 737-800 and 757-200? Just those two types count for almost half of their fleet. Wouldn't it be smart to start with winglets?

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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:19 am

Retrofitting costs $$$... something DL really doesn't have much of atm!
 
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Retrofitting costs $$$... something DL really doesn't have much of atm!

IMHO DL would have been better off spending the $300 Million that they have committed to the cabin refurbishment program on winglets instead. It would have made perfect sense for the 752 especially now that it seems that most if not all of DLs 752s will be on routes longer than 1750 miles.

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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:28 am

Who knows. They may do it sooner than later on the 75, now that Song planes are going to be repainted into DL colors, they may add winglets as a part of the Ch 11 refurbishing plan.
I cant see the 737s having winglets yet.
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:34 am

DL is one of the more unimaginative airlines. They won't install them before 7 or 8 other carriers rave about the fuel savings.
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
DL is one of the more unimaginative airlines. They won't install them before 7 or 8 other carriers rave about the fuel savings.

When you can't afford to be the pioneer, why not let the other's show how much risk in involved before accounting for tremendous costs without the results? Sounds more sensible to me to make sure the results are present.
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:54 am

Yes, if the whole Song ordeal has taught you anything, its that Delta doesnt like to take risks - and if it means they're behind the curve, they dont seem to care.
 
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:48 pm

One reason, Delta is 20 BILLION in debt.
 
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:52 pm

Quoting Lindy (Thread starter):
Hi All,

With all the fuel fuss in airline industry why Delta is not thinking about installing winglets on 737-800 and 757-200? Just those two types count for almost half of their fleet. Wouldn't it be smart to start with winglets?

Rafal

WN paid around $750-800k for a single set of winglets for their 737s. It's a pretty big capital expenditure. Multiply $750k x how many 738s and 757s there are and you come up with a big number. It's not as black and white as it may seem.

Hence why AA has only installed one set on a 738 for the time being.

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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
DL is one of the more unimaginative airlines. They won't install them before 7 or 8 other carriers rave about the fuel savings.

Yeah right. Back in the mid 90s DL installed winglets on two of their 727s for an evaluation trial. The winglets did save fuel but only about 2.5% while the manufactuers of the winglets claimed 6% or more. Combine that experience with Dls current financial status and I think you have a better idea of why they haven't opted for winglets on their 738s and 752s than a lack of imagination.

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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:52 am

I think its the expense. Even though the winglets increase fuel efficiency, the up front costs is prohibitive for the company right now.
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RE: Delta's 738 & 752

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 3):
I cant see the 737s having winglets yet.

Which is of course, ridiculous given the savings seen by all carriers who have them

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
DL is one of the more unimaginative airlines. They won't install them before 7 or 8 other carriers rave about the fuel savings.

Um, a lot more than 7 or 8 carriers have raved about the fuel savings on the 737NG, so I don't see why every carrier (unless, perhaps, they have gate issues) would not have them

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 5):
When you can't afford to be the pioneer, why not let the other's show how much risk in involved before accounting for tremendous costs without the results?

WN and many other carriers have shown that the 737NG APB kit pays for itself even on shorter routes in no time at all
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