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BA And QF On The Kangaroo Route

Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:53 am

We have all seen the RFP from QF and much has been discussed about the potential for QF getting a version of the 777-200LR with extra fuel tanks to allow it to operate nonstop from SYD to LHR both ways year round. One of the arguments that I have heard on here and from quotes of QF representatives is that these flights would give QF a competetive edge over competitors like SQ and EK in that it would reduce the flying time by a few hours.

A question that has come to mind that I have not seen addressed on this site (my apologies if it has, but I couldn't find one on the search) deals with this topic of the possible competitive advantage that QF could have over SQ and EK on the Kangaroo Route if it decides to purchase this version of the -200LR. While there is little that SQ and QF could do ops wise (yes, they could increase the service, etc.), what about BA? I believe that BA sold its stake in QF recently (my apologies as I don't quite remember), but they still partner quite well within OneWorld. If QF were to order -200LRs and start nonstop service between LHR and SYD, do you think that BA would do the same to remain at an even keel with QF? Is their partnership in Oneworld (and perviously) strong enough that BA would just continue their onestop flights through SIN and BKK? Or do you think that BA would likewise purchase some -200LRs to compete with QF?
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RE: BA And QF On The Kangaroo Route

Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:48 am

In an acronym "JSA" - Joint Services Agreement, recently renewed for 5 or 10 years (can't remember which). Summed up - "what is QF is BA, what is BA is QF, on the Kangaroo route".

So BA will get just as much, or as little, from the QF operation of a non stop service as if they operated it themselves. So if it goes ahead you WILL see BA code shares on all non stop flights.

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RE: BA And QF On The Kangaroo Route

Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:02 pm

I think the JSA is for 10 years, and was within the last year or 2 extended. Basically it means that if QF had the T7 going SYD-LHR, then you would see it with a BA7XXX. I don't think BA would buy a plane just to match QF. QF has just recently changed its ffp to allow 100% accrual on discount Y fares on BA. Previously it was only 25%. On discount Y fares on QF you always accrued at 100%.

Some more info can be found here about the JSA:
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RE: BA And QF On The Kangaroo Route

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:01 am


Thanks for the link. However, given the length of it, I won't be able to read it quite yet. Soon though, I will try to hit the important parts. Do they share revenue then on the routes that they fly? In essence, it would be just as sensible for BA to market the QF nonstop flights (if QF actually starts them?).

I guess that there is close to zero likelihood of BA getting the -200LR then as this would have been their only likely route to use it no. Thanks again Wunala and Gemuser.

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