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My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:14 am

I am flying on Frontier's DEN-DTW 6:55pm flight tonight. I confirmed it with F9 as being an A318.

I'm familiar with flying on A320s. Are there any noticable differences between the 320 and 318 besides the physical differences? Will I be able to notice/detect any in-flight characteristics that are noticably different?

Lastly, how much is F9's PTV charge?!

(FYI: I fly back to Denver through ORD on UA tomorrow, so only one F9 segment)
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:29 pm

Frontier charges $5 for the PTV or $8 if you want to choose one of the movie options. This is an either or situation. Movie for $8 or TV for $5. The A318 is just like the 319 or 320 - you won't notice much of a difference - except it's not as far to walk to the lavatory!  Smile
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 1):
Frontier charges $5 for the PTV or $8 if you want to choose one of the movie options. This is an either or situation. Movie for $8 or TV for $5.

After the movie is over you can still purchase DirecTV for $5.
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:33 pm

The 318 is a neat little plane. There is no difference from a 319/320 in terms of seats, etc. Enjoy your flight on Frontier. And expect it to be a full flight, those DEN-DTW flights were pretty much always full when I worked them.
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting TWAAF9 (Reply 2):
After the movie is over you can still purchase DirecTV for $5.

Or watch the Wild Blue Yonder channel for free.

http://www.frontierairlines.com/ife/index.asp

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:48 pm

Only difference I noted on the A318 was the cabin controls for the flight attendant was a touchscreen. On the A319 the cabin controls are on a button panel.

Other than some rows of seats missing I couldn't tell the difference between flying in a A318 versus a A319. The rides felt exactly the same. In Denver may the only difference you'll notice is the A318's aren't supposed to taxi under the bridge connecting the terminal with Concourse A.
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:54 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):
Or watch the Wild Blue Yonder channel for free.

http://www.frontierairlines.com/ife/index.asp

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Very true...shame on me for not pointing that out. I am a Summit Member and get the Direct TV for free, but I do like the short films on the Wild Blue Yonder Channel. The magazine is very good too. Nice in flight brand concept by Frontier.
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:57 pm

Quoting Brick (Reply 5):
Only difference I noted on the A318 was the cabin controls for the flight attendant was a touchscreen. On the A319 the cabin controls are on a button panel.

Actually I flew on N942FR and noticed it too had the touch screen control panel and the over seat air unit was different. I guess this is something new with the A319's as well. Anyone know for sure?
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:07 pm

Quoting Brick (Reply 5):
In Denver may the only difference you'll notice is the A318's aren't supposed to taxi under the bridge connecting the terminal with Concourse A.

Splain that?
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:05 pm

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 8):
Quoting Brick (Reply 5):
In Denver may the only difference you'll notice is the A318's aren't supposed to taxi under the bridge connecting the terminal with Concourse A.

I believe that the tail height of the A318 is a little higher than the A319s. As such, I don't believe there is enough clearence for the A318 to clear it, while the A319, with its lower heigh, can.

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:07 pm

The airbridge connects the main terminal to Terminal A - Frontier's base.

At the highest point, the clearance is 42 feet:


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It is said that the highest point of the A318 - the top of the tail - is 41.5 feet.

It is believed that the A318 could go under the bridge, but Frontier are not prepared to risk it. It would be ugly if something went wrong.

Meanwhile - for those who have not been on the A318:

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm

The touch screen F/A controls were just one of a number of interior improvements that Airbus launched with the A318. Other changes include modified pax service units, as already mentioned, new overhead bin handles, and new screens in the cockpit. Airbus slowly put the same units into other members of the A320 family as they ran through their stock of the older style parts. I know that all of Independence Air's A319s have all of these features, as do the newer Fronteir A319s (somewhere around 935 is where they start if memory serves).

As for no A318s going under the bridge on the south side of concourse A in Denver, it has to do with the height of the tail. Since A318s have a taller tail, there was concern about the tail striking the underside of the bridge if the planes taxied through. There was a bit of disagreement between the Denver Airport, Frontier and Airbus as to whether or not it would fit. I think the general concensus was that an A318 could make it under, but only at its tallest point. Bascially Frontier decided it was not worth the risk to see if they could fit and instead simply limited the A318s to northside ops, basically odd numbered A gates in DEN only. All F9 A318s have little round stickers on the cockpit dash with the word bridge crossed out by a red line as a reminder to pilots not to go under.

Depending on the weather, and your pilot, there might be a nose down pitch made by the pilot after flare before touchdown done to smooth the landing, but that's pretty much the only thing different on the A318 other than the missing three rows. I never did like working the A318s. Tiny cargo doors with barely enough space for bags on heavy days in summer, let alone cargo. The only nice thing was that with one foot in the door way, I could reach both the fore and aft bulkheads of the aft cargo bin. Not something I could do in the A319s by a long shot!
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting Brick (Reply 5):
Only difference I noted on the A318 was the cabin controls for the flight attendant was a touchscreen. On the A319 the cabin controls are on a button panel.

Easyjet have the touchscreen control in their 319's as well. At least the three of them i have flown...
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 7):
Actually I flew on N942FR and noticed it too had the touch screen control panel and the over seat air unit was different. I guess this is something new with the A319's as well. Anyone know for sure?

The enhanced panel can be found on all of F9's 318's and N936FR and higher 319's as well. They are a great feature to have and make my job a bit more easier as flight attendants have access to more cabin features using this panel versus the standard panel found on the earlier 319's.

I personally love to work in the 318's...they're unique planes which have somewhat of a difficult-to-describe different feel than the 319's. I guess that's something you pick up when you work in them so much!

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:11 am

Are there any particular routes where you usually find F9 318s? Do they ever venture down to Mexico?
 
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:00 am

So, DIA..:

How was it - did that A318 rock your world like u were hopin?
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 14):
Are there any particular routes where you usually find F9 318s? Do they ever venture down to Mexico?

Almost always on DEN/DTW.

They used to own DEN/BNA as well, when the route started, but that did so well they started sending in the 319's. I would guess the same will happen with DTW.

I don't think they have been used, so far, for Mexico flights.

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:12 am

Thnaks for all the responses. (Don't mean for this to be a trip report, so I'll make this short and to the point...

The touch-screen for the F/As was the first thing I noted to be different than other Airbuse I've been on. It was neat the way they worked it -very advanced I must say.

I was in seat 2E. Middle seat, but the PTV made it better. I didn't pay to watch TV, so I just watched the map channel for the entire flight - good enough for me (I learned some Spanish from the Ottor, Hector I believe! It was for F9's Mexico Destinations, when the map was not showing). Got into DTW at about 11:30 EST, then I stayed at the DTW Westin (Very Nice Hotel FYI).

The most notable thing about the A318 trip was the odd engine noise it made at higher thrusts. It was sort of a propeller sound more than a jet. Our t/o roll was a long 40 seconds...longer than I thought it would be. The flight was absolutely packed...a good sign I guess. My A318 had the fox pups it. We maxed out at 39,000ft at 610mph. We deboarded into a ghostly empty terminal at DTW.

Overall, I am impressed with F9 service and a/c. F9 employees were a joy to interact with.

I flew UA through ORD on the way back...got bumped off my flight due to overbooking...eventually caught a 3:55 departure back to DEN (757 middle seat) I'd rather have an F9 middle!

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:29 am

Quoting Brick (Reply 5):
Only difference I noted on the A318 was the cabin controls for the flight attendant was a touchscreen. On the A319 the cabin controls are on a button panel.

The cabin display panel is called "CIDS" (Cabin Intercommunication Data System) very neat - even lets you pre-programme all the announcements in various languages. The only thing that slightly worries me is that it gives a Windows 'ding' if you do something wrong...
And indeed after being first installed on the A318 it's now available on all A320 family aircraft.
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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:30 am

DIA,

Glad you enjoyed flying on Frontier to Detroit, and congrats again on your first A318 ride. DTW is a relatively new city on our growing route map. If I recall correctly, service began in early May of this year, and to hear that your flight was relatively full is good news.

By the way, if you are interested, the names of the fox pups, if they were not announced by the F/A, are Moe & Joe (N804FR).

I, too, enjoy the map channel. If the last row of the plane (seats C or D, to be more exact) are unoccupied, I like to have at least one set tuned to that channel when I'm working in the aft galley...always nice to know where you're flying over  Smile

Hope we'll be able to serve you again on a future F9 flight!

All the best,

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:18 am

NZblue:

An F/A and one of the pilots announced the fox pups' names. I couldn't hear them (I was talking to one of the pax next to me), but they sure did announce them.

I always like to know where I am, so your in-flight display is excellent (the speed and altitude make it even better).

During the flight I also read up on how F9 F/As are the creme-de-la-creme of F/As. I must say, they seem happier and are more polite than on some other U.S. carriers......so, maybe F9 has got something working for them in that arena. I look forward to that show on (I think it is the Travel Channel?) in January 2006...should be interesting to see how F9 FAs are chosen and what they have to go through to make the grade.

From what I can tell, it's no wonder F9 has a solid following. Good leadership with the trickle-down effect throughout its system. I think F9 will do just fine when SWA starts service to Denver.

FYI: Last time I flew with you guys was before you had any Airbuses, and the 733s were still being aquired! I flew a few 732s with F9...I loved 'em too. Alas, F9 is now a modern carrier with state-of-the-art equipment.

I finally signed up for EarlyReturns! (I travel heavily on UA and NWA, so this is a big step for me)

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RE: My First A318 Flight Tonight...(On F9)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:41 am

I'm looking forward to seeing the show myself. Not only because I think it'll be great for F9, but I was in the very class that was filmed for the entire 6 weeks of training. I can't say anything about it, though  shhh , so you'll have to tune in along with me to see the final production  Smile
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