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The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:20 am

We all know that Airbus is fully concentrated in the A380 and the A350, but what do you think it will be the next project for them? or the aviation world will be satisfied with that by many years?...just talking about Airbus products.
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:24 am

think a A320 replacement, OR a A340 family replacer
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1):
I think an A320 replacement, OR an A340 family replacer

I think the A350 is more a replacer of the old A340's

An A345 and A346 replacer seems to be to early, if that ever comes.

The A320 will be a little older and would make more sense, although it is a nice aircraft, and still running great in the market!
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:50 am

The possibilities are:
a) an A320 replacement, and
b) something sized between the A350 and the WhaleJet.
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting Morvious (Reply 2):
I think the A350 is more a replacer of the old A340's

An A345 and A346 replacer seems to be to early, if that ever comes.

They're about the same age as the 764, which is being replaced. The key is whether it can compete well. The 777LRs have a decided advantage. Even the HGWs won't succeed in closing the gap. Airbus will have to do something about that market or else surrender it to Boeing. Perhaps a big twin along the lines of Y3 would be in order.
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):
Perhaps a big twin along the lines of Y3 would be in order.

In my opinion, that's what Airbus should have built instead of the WhaleJet.
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 4):


They're about the same age as the 764, which is being replaced. The key is whether it can compete well. The 777LRs have a decided advantage. Even the HGWs won't succeed in closing the gap. Airbus will have to do something about that market or else surrender it to Boeing. Perhaps a big twin along the lines of Y3 would be in order.

I dunno, airlines are still happily using a number of these, and they still have outstanding orders for them. Somebody obviously wants them.

I think there's still a niche as well for the routes that ETOPS can't handle, or airlines that don't seem to fly twins on long routes (CX comes to mind).
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 6):
I dunno, airlines are still happily using a number of these, and they still have outstanding orders for them. Somebody obviously wants them.

How many of those orders are recent, though? I count ten A340-500/-600 orders for this year, all from VS. VS was deeply committed to the type by this point. Now compare that against 47 for the 777-200LR/-300ER for this year. Sure, somebody still wants them, but the only recent order was from a captive customer.
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 6):
I dunno, airlines are still happily using a number of these, and they still have outstanding orders for them. Somebody obviously wants them.

Yes there are a few operators, but more want the 777LRs. By the time Airbus is done with the A350, they would have to consider developing a replacement that can compete better with the big twin. If the SQ, QF or CX orders go to the A340NG over the 777LR, then I'll humbly retract.
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:40 am

I lean towards the 320 replacement. Airbus knows that Boeing is transferring lessons learned to a 737 replacement and Airbus doesn't want to be caught shout again, like they were with the 787. Both companies will work on the single aisle replacement in the background - waiting for the other to make the first announcement. My bet is that WN will push the Boeing project before the Airbus design is released.

Developing something to go head to head with the 747 is, IMO, a waste of money, especially when work on a 32E will generate more sales over a period of time. Expanding the 350 range to eat into the 777 sales might help, but I don't think they will be ready to invest in that with the risk of a 73E raising its head.
 
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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:06 am

Not news~

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TOLOSE, Wednesday, November 2, 2005.
Airbrush confirmed today at an official product launch press conference that a new family of passenger aircraft will be offered to airlines from the beginning of next month. The new A360 will be a family of aircraft of varying lengths all seating 8 abreast. The shortest family member will be the A360-2 at 20m with 100 seats and the longest A360-15 will be 150m with 850 seats which will be the longest passenger aircraft ever designed.

All members of the new family will feature fly-by-wire technology compatible with existing Airbrush aircraft. Existing pilots flying today's Airbrush aircraft will be able to acquire supplemental type rating after a 1-day transition course. The new aircraft family can also be flown pilotless. A datalink from each aircraft is set up to connect to a central server at Airbrush headquaters at Tolose. 3 IVM Deep Blue super computers will control all connected planes in pilotless mode. Advanced automatic collision avoidance system ensures separation from other aircraft within a 10Nm radius. Where air traffic control interaction is necessary, the system employs voice recognition and computer speech technologies to interact with air traffic controllers.

The revolutionary aircraft will feature a fuselage and wings made from advanced space age Aluminium Reinforced Multidirectional Carbon Fibre (AlRMDCF). The new material has been developed in the past year by Airbrush's Advanced Materials Laboratory in Texas after buying the establishment from rival Boing in 2001. The use of this new technology will equate to a 43% reduction in structural weight over a conventional Aluminium construction. Both fuselage and wings will be of a modular design with 10m fuselage plugs and 5m standard wing plugs. Airlines can attach or detach fuselage and wing sections depending on the requirement of their flights. The xpress-on system pioneered by mobile phone maker Nokia ensures attaching and detaching modules is practical on stand at the airport.

Each wing module will be preinstalled with an ultra-high bypass ratio micro engine made by Rose Roise. Each engine produces the equivalent amount of incremental thrust required for the extra lift generated by the wing module to which the engine is attached. Fuel burn by these micro engines is expected to be 35% lower than conventional engines. Environmental campaigners hail this as the breakthrough in modern transport technology of the century.

An Airbrush spokesman commented the new family of aircraft has been developed in anticipation of Boing's expected announcement of a similar conceptual study. Boing is to host a press conference following publication of it's half-year results next Wednesday.

This aircraft will replace all existing Airbrush products. This include the popular small-sized A320 family, the medium to long range A330/A340, the high capacity A380 and the ultra long range A350 family which has yet to enter service. The A360 is expected to enter service in 2014.


 

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RE: The Next A3XX...(?)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting Morvious (Reply 2):
The A320 will be a little older and would make more sense, although it is a nice aircraft, and still running great in the market!

Agree.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 10):
All members of the new family will feature fly-by-wire technology compatible with existing Airbrush aircraft. Existing pilots flying today's Airbrush aircraft

Well, now they are AIRBRUSH aircraft???????  Wow!
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