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UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:57 am

I recently had a talk with some of my UA buddies here in Chicago concerning their plan for India. What I learned is that UA is preparing for services to India, and as soon as they can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK) they are planning on implementing two new DAILY services to India:

ORD-DEL-BOM

SFO-NRT-BLR




The first one came as a shocker to me, but when I reconsidered it, I think it could work. If a different timings than AA's service, maybe a 2-4AM Delhi arrival, it would work perfectly. An onward service to BOM (w/o cabotage) makes perfect sense, with the huge number of ethnic Gujuratis in the Chicagoland area.

SFO-NRT-BLR would work easily. No need for analysis.


Any thoughts?
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:01 am

I hope this is correct. I would love to see UA fly these routes. I'm sure they would be successful... Especially the BLR flight.

[Edited 2005-11-04 02:03:02]
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:06 am

I think that would be great. Although NRT is a little out of the way compared to AMS or CDG (offered on NW or DL) I think there is potential there. Hopefully at least one of these routes will come to fruition. UA has been preparing or at least rumored to be going back to India ever since they pulled out when they dropped the around the world flight.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:11 am

The BLR service would great for freight.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK)

What time frames are we looking at??

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
SFO-NRT-BLR

Wow! If this does really materialize, Is it going to be UA's gain and NW loss?

Quoting 777D (Reply 3):
The BLR service would great for freight

Just curious, what kind?
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 4):
Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK)

What time frames are we looking at??

I really don't know. If UA decides to place a boeing order for T7s and 787s, it could be a few years. If the decide to hurry the process and lease it could be quite soon. Who knows?
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:57 am

wow. people who are from the region of india will sure have a lot of options getting there with BA, AA, PIA, and maybe soon UA
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 4):
The BLR service would great for freight

Just curious, what kind?

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:24 am

There is a huge stock of buses, ladders and other ground equipent that beongs to UA lyin around at DEL. I don't see it being cleaned up.

As for the ORD-North India route, a non-stop ORD- (Ahmedabad) with feeds on the domestic airlines to DEL, BOM, PNQ, BLR, MAA etc would make a lot more sense.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:43 am

United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:05 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

It's possible that they want more 772s to replace 744s on other routes, and then use the 744s on ORD-DEL.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
As for the ORD-North India route, a non-stop ORD- (Ahmedabad) with feeds on the domestic airlines to DEL, BOM, PNQ, BLR, MAA etc would make a lot more sense.

I think a flight to DEL is best. A codeshare with 9W would be ideal. From DEL, connections can be made to anywhere in India, as opposed to the limits of AMD. For instance, there would be no way for UA to target Punjabi passengers heading up to ATQ without a stop at DEL.

The BOM extension works very well, and I am suprised AA never conceived the idea.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:35 pm

One stop BLR-NRT-SFO will surely be a success. There is huge potential for more seats to SFO / SJC / OAK / SEA routes.

BLR is becoming a star alliance heaven. LH, SQ and TG are already flying there. UA would be a good addition. Too bad NW (and ST) is loosing out.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:40 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Although NRT is a little out of the way compared to AMS or CDG (offered on NW or

Didn't NWA just call off AMS-BLR?
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 11):
I think a flight to DEL is best. A

DEL is now over-served. And there are enough new flights headed for Amritsar to take care of that Punjabi segment, largely lowest Economy Excursion yields.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:47 pm

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 12):
One stop BLR-NRT-SFO will surely be a success. There is huge potential for more seats to SFO / SJC / OAK / SEA routes.

BLR is becoming a star alliance heaven. LH, SQ and TG are already flying there. UA would be a good addition. Too bad NW (and ST) is loosing out.

I've been saying it would be in AA's interest to try to get some of these routes, but since they don't have the rights such as NRT-DEL, NRT-BLR, I'm not so sure if it will work out and its certainly out of the possibility of them getting the -200LR for now, will make no sense for them... however a BLR-SEA could be done with their current -200ER's, but leaves much to be desired in connecting to seattle...


however, SJC-DEL-SJC or LAX-DEL-LAX would be easily done by AA's 777-200ER's......I think it would work as the Northern Bay Area (fremont, sunnyvale, san jose,etc.) has a MASSIVE desi population..!!

[Edited 2005-11-04 05:51:45]
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
Software, of course.

Don't you mean software engineers?

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 13):
Didn't NWA just call off AMS-BLR?

Yup. While you could have fown SFO - AMS - BLR, I would think that as a UA hub, SFO fliers would favor a Star Alliance routing (currently SFO - FRA - BLR ?).

I wonder which NRT flight would get the axe. Me thinks one of the ICN or HNL slots.

[Edited 2005-11-04 06:46:15]
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:24 pm

Well, they have to give free flights to all the people in India who now answer the phone when you call United Reservations...God is that annoying...
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:51 pm

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 17):
Well, they have to give free flights to all the people in India who now answer the phone when you call United Reservations...God is that annoying...

You got that wrong, what is more annoying is the long line of executives from USA based airlines standing in New Delhi asking for rights to fly to India. Nothing wrong with that, but then most of them are unable to speak English that others can understand either.

And if you still find that annoying, use the Internet "UAPremierGuy".
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:53 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 10):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

It's possible that they want more 772s to replace 744s on other routes, and then use the 744s on ORD-DEL.

What he trying to say is that, won't UAL have range issues with those 777s going ORD-DEL?
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:09 pm

Yes UALs 772 will have issues going ORD-DEL nonstop!!!!!

ORD-DEL distance = 7470 miles

777-200ER range = 7730 miles


I would say its a nogo...
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:22 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
ORD-DEL-BOM

Any confirmation date with Timings.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
ORD-DEL-BOM

Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop? There's already a non-stop ORD-DEL flight, hence why would anyone fly UA ORD-DEL-BOM when they don't gain the benefits of a non-stop. Any *A member can easily make one of the different one-stop options of ORD-Europe-BOM on *A.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
SFO-NRT-BLR

Wake up UA! Wake up NW! There's money to be made on this route (though a non-stop SFO-BLR would be the killer).

Would a SFO-HKG-BLR routing make sense? I would think there's more people going to/from HKG/China, than to Japan?
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:05 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Wake up UA! Wake up NW! There's money to be made on this route (though a non-stop SFO-BLR would be the killer

That would certainly be a killer, infact SFO-BLR and SFO-BOM would both be killer route.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop?

Not possible until they get the 777-200 LR or the 788, at PRESENT the only aircrafts which can do the route year round non-stop without any payload restrictions are:

777-200 LR
747-400 ER
340-500
340-600 HGW
777-300 ER??

As you can see UA do not have any of these aircrafts to perform the route profitability. Otherwise they would have to something like what AC did with the 343s on DEL-YYZ by making a technical stop at Sweden i think.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:02 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Would a SFO-HKG-BLR routing make sense? I would think there's more people going to/from HKG/China, than to Japan?

Nimish: Yes, HKG would be infinitely better for UA and regular West Coast-India travellers (like myself), as it is more en-route and faster turnaround/less delayed than Narita.

However, the US and China failed to negotiate expanded 5th freedom from HKG (probably on UA's behalf), so there are major restrictions on what can/cannot be flown from there. Additionally, UA would have to add inbound flights to HKG to increase lift, as most of their flights to HKG (ORD/SFO/NRT) are perpetually full with mostly O&D traffic.

Question for those more educated: UA has some 5th freedom from HKG (currently being used on SIN and SGN - formerly used RTW). How many frequecies/destinations are they allowed?

 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting Gabrielz (Reply 24):
Additionally, UA would have to add inbound flights to HKG to increase lift, as most of their flights to HKG (ORD/SFO/NRT) are perpetually full with mostly O&D traffic.

By having it go through NRT, UA can also pick up additional feed from LAX, SEA, etc...
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
Yes UALs 772 will have issues going ORD-DEL nonstop!!!!!

ORD-DEL distance = 7470 miles

777-200ER range = 7730 miles


I would say its a nogo...

That is why this route is will only come in effect when UA gets some new 777s, as I said above.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
Otherwise they would have to something like what AC did with the 343s on DEL-YYZ by making a technical stop at Sweden i think

AC is offering that YYZ-ZRH-DEL where ZRH is in Switzerland, not Sweden  Smile
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting Pilatusguy (Reply 27):
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
Otherwise they would have to something like what AC did with the 343s on DEL-YYZ by making a technical stop at Sweden i think

AC is offering that YYZ-ZRH-DEL where ZRH is in Switzerland, not Sweden
Flight# 878 / 879

What he meant was that when AC was flying YYZ-DEL nonstop, often times they had to make an unscheduled technical stop in Sweeden for refueling.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:51 am

UAL should fly from its IAD hub to DEL and not ORD. There are enough airlines flying to ORD from India direct and via EU/UK but what would really give them a competitive edge would be flying from IAD nonstop with the B 772ER thus providing a convenient hassle free option for the Indians living in the BWI-IAD-DCA area.

From IAD, it can send pax all across to USAs and Canada's most important Indian populated cities. Plus its easier for the B 772ER to fly IAD-DEL nonstop than ORD-DEL nonstop.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
Yes UALs 772 will have issues going ORD-DEL nonstop!!!!!



Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
ORD-DEL distance = 7470 miles

777-200ER range = 7730 miles

You mixed that up. ORD-DEL's distance is 6503 nm, and the 777-200ER's range is 7730 nm.

But United's 777s are a lower weight than AA, DL, CO, or really most other carrier's. They would potentially struggle to fly the route. Maybe not.

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:09 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
recently had a talk with some of my UA buddies here in Chicago concerning their plan for India. What I learned is that UA is preparing for services to India, and as soon as they can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK) they are planning on implementing two new DAILY services to India:

I thought they already did go to India. I remember when I use to live in Chicago, they had a full page add in the Tribune looking for Hindi speaking
FAs for their Indian route. They also did announcements in Hindi
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:19 am

UA's current longest route is ORD-HKG which is really pushing it for the 747s.

ORD-HKG 7794 mi
ORD-DEL 7484 mi
ORD-BOM 8054 mi

ORD-DEL should be possible with the 747s as it is over three hundred miles shorter. ORD-BOM is three hundred miles longer than UA's current longest route and would push the 747 beyond its limits. ORD-HKG can face weight restrictions as is. Winds shouldn't be an issue if the flight uses a polar route, but mountanous terrain could be, but hopefully a 747 would prevent this.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 25):
By having it go through NRT, UA can also pick up additional feed from LAX, SEA, etc...

That is what even I was thinking. They will get additional feed from LAX, SEA etc. And other star alliance partners too fly to NRT from US. So, it can skim some more passengers off those flights too.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 16):
I wonder which NRT flight would get the axe. Me thinks one of the ICN or HNL slots.

If UA needs a slot or an aircraft, I would hate to see HNL-NRT go, but if they could get ANA to make up the lost capacity by upgrading their once daily 763 to a 744 it would be ok. UA is the number three carrier between NRT and HNL, behind NW (operating a 742, sometimes 744) and JA operating a whole lot of heavies, and ahead of NH with only one flight. I think there is plenty of demand on the route to encourage star to keep a lot of capacity.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:20 am

Why did UA give up their LHR / DEL route?

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
There is a huge stock of buses, ladders and other ground equipent that beongs to UA lyin around at DEL. I don't see it being cleaned up.

The return for service is not immediate or definite, besides that equipment could cleaned up in a matter of days.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:12 pm

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 36):
besides that equipment could cleaned up in a matter of days.

Put them in the new livery while you are at it! We wouldn't want any "rustbucket" ground equipment to be used.

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 31):
I thought they already did go to India

In the past, UA flew LHR - DEL - HKG. ORD - DEL was planned, but canned post 9/11.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 29):
From IAD, it can send pax all across to USAs and Canada's most important Indian populated cities.

The number of UA feeder flights at ORD is higher than IAD. ORD is a more central location within North America. However, this is not to say that the total travel time or flight distance would be shorter in *every* case.


Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 25):
By having it go through NRT, UA can also pick up additional feed from LAX, SEA, etc...

LAX, SFO, ORD, SEA, JFK, and HNL to be exact. If timed right, you may be able to catch some ICN - NRT - BLR traffic. IAD could be served as a code share and continuation of NH's IAD - NRT route.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:21 pm

All these American/USA airlines "discovering" India and making for DEL/BOM need to bear in mind that:-

a) There is a much higher level of expectation from passengers on India routes. Good or bad is not the issue, it simply exists, and an airline that can not identify and fulfil these simple expectations, which often extend to not much more than simple polite non-patronising behaviour and plenty of drinking water, will soon find itself on its back. Kind of like VS for India-USA route.

b) There is much more than DEL / BOM and MAA/BLR in India. Srinagar, Ahmedabad, AMritsar, Pune, Kochi, Goa . . . and more.

Good luck. A bit like a reverse of Christopher Columbus "looking" for India.
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 38):
b) There is much more than DEL / BOM and MAA/BLR in India. Srinagar, Ahmedabad, AMritsar, Pune, Kochi, Goa . . . and more.

That point is very true. However, a nonstop ORD-AMD or YYZ-ATQ most likely will never happen by North American airlines. UA, AA, AC, etc rely mostly on business routes/passengers for their profit.
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
There is a huge stock of buses, ladders and other ground equipent that beongs to UA lyin around at DEL. I don't see it being cleaned up.

There's also a lot of TWA ground equipment in a heap at CDG and JFK (at least there was the last time I was there around 18 months ago). While I have absolutely no idea what UA's intentions are in India, my point is leftover ground equipment laying around isn't necessarily indicative of a return to the market (did someone once mention on here there's still a PA K loader at FRA?)

I would wager the costs of transporting such equipment to an active UA city outweighs the actual cost of the equipment, thus they simply left it there. However, I'm sure I'll be corrected.  Big grin
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Twaaf9 (Reply 40):
I would wager the costs of transporting such equipment to an active UA city outweighs the actual cost of the equipment, thus they simply left it there. However, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

Well, UA will have to clear ground rent on abandoned equipment before they can return to DEL again, that's for sure. That's a lot of money to b paid for scrap.
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 39):
However, a nonstop ORD-AMD or YYZ-ATQ most likely will never happen by North American airlines.

A route like YYZ-ATQ would be impssible for AC. The India-Canada Bilateral agreement restricts where in India AC can fly. DEL, BOM and CCU are the only three permitted destinations. Fortunately AC can fly to any destination in Canada. [Likewise an Indian carrier can fly to YUL and YYZ plus one of YEG or YVR.]
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:11 am

I know from someone who works for UA that they are setting up a 747 pilot base at IAD. That could only mean they are preparing for India routes from IAD. Could a UA 744 do nonstop IAD-BOM/DEL? (which I think it can). It would be a great route for UA, considering the huge Indian diaspora in DC/VA. Not to mention the connections from IAD...

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:40 am

This is excellent news. Every two weeks I ask my contacts at UA about their India plans and all I get is that nothing is imminent - but this suggests that some thing is in the works.

UA please forget DEL - please think of BOM or BLR/MAA. NRT makes sense and NRT-BLR would be perfect. Having just done PHL-ORD-NRT-SIN on UA, I must say UA has an impressive "hub" in NRT. I have never seen so many UA widebodies at one time - not in ORD, not in SFO or LAX and certainly not in IAD.
 
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Sshank (Reply 44):
UA please forget DEL - please think of BOM or BLR/MAA. NRT makes sense and NRT-BLR would be perfect. Having just done PHL-ORD-NRT-SIN on UA, I must say UA has an impressive "hub" in NRT. I have never seen so many UA widebodies at one time - not in ORD, not in SFO or LAX and certainly not in IAD.

I think maybe UA does not want to give up on DEL. For a long time, they were the only US carrier operating there. It's something of a pride issue maybe. Nevertheless, I am confident that they would be successful on ORD-DEL-BOM.
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:41 pm

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 43):
That could only mean they are preparing for India routes from IAD. Could a UA 744 do nonstop IAD-BOM/DEL? (which I think it can).

It could mean a lot of different things unrelated to India.

The 744 would struggle on IAD-DEL and IAD-BOM is out of the question.

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:21 am

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 42):
The India-Canada Bilateral agreement restricts where in India AC can fly. DEL, BOM and CCU are the only three permitted destinations. Fortunately AC can fly to any destination in Canada. [Likewise an Indian carrier can fly to YUL and YYZ plus one of YEG or YVR.]

This is old story as of today any canadian carrier can fly to BOM,DEL,BLR,CCU,MAA and HYD in india and any indian carrier can fly to Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton, Vancouver and any other 2 points in canada. Each side has 35x weekly. Link to bilateral.
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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:53 am

A few scenarios for United Airlines to re-enter the India market!

Scenario A>

United Airlines brings back its second daily service from San Francisco to Hong Kong. After a proven profit, United Airlines, reinstates service from Hong Kong to Delhi via the 747-400.

Flights with this scenario would be:

Hong Kong

(2) 747-400 to Chicago
(1) 747-400 to Delhi **
(1) 747-400 to Hanoi
(2) 747-400 to San Francisco **
(1) 747-400 to Singapore
(1) 747-400 to Tokyo

Scenario B>

United Airlines brings back its service from Los Angeles to Hong Kong. After a proven profit, United Airlines, starts service from Hong Kong to Bombay via the 747-400. In addition United Airlines stretches the turn time for the second Chicago flight to allow for a Bangalore service.

Flights for this scenario would be:

Hong Kong

(1) 747-400 to Bangalore **
(1) 747-400 to Bombay **
(2) 747-400 to Chicago
(1) 747-400 to Hanoi
(1) 747-400 to Los Angeles **
(1) 747-400 to San Francisco
(1) 747-400 to Singapore
(1) 747-400 to Tokyo

Scenario C>

United Airlines brings back both Los Angeles to Hong Kong and its second daily San Francisco to Hong Kong service. United Airlines simultaneaously returns service to Delhi and new service to Bombay via the 747-400. Bangalore is added as a tag onto the second daily ORD service.

Flights with this scenario would be:

Hong Kong

(1) 747-400 to Bangalore **
(1) 747-400 to Bombay **
(2) 747-400 to Chicago
(1) 747-400 to Delhi **
(1) 747-400 to Hanoi
(1) 747-400 to Los Angeles **
(2) 747-400 to San Francisco **
(1) 747-400 to Singapore
(1) 747-400 to Tokyo

Scenario D>

United Airlines commences service via the 777-200 on a routing from Washington.Dulles to Delhi via Bombay.

Scenario E>

United Airlines should Northwest Airlines falter, decides to jump at a chance to expand its Asian neatwork to include Narita to Bombay, Narita to Delhi, and Narita to Bangalore, Narita to Washington, Narita to Denver.

Flights with this scenario would be:

Tokyo

(1) 777-200 to Bangalore **
(1) 747-400 to Bangkok
(1) 777-200 to Bombay **
(2) 747-400 to Chicago
(1) 777-200 to Delhi **
(1) 777-200 to Denver **
(1) 777-200 to Hong Kong
(2) 777-200 to Honolulu
(2) 747-400 to Los Angeles
(1) 777-200 to New York
(2) 747-400 to San Francisco
(1) 777-200 to Seattle
(2) 777-200 to Seoul
(1) 777-200 to Singapore
(1) 777-200 to Taipei
(1) 777-200 to Washington **

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RE: UA Preparing For India?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:49 pm

UA has 5th freedom routes from Japan but has India signed off on this?
Only direct flights between Japan & India are JL with three-weekly NRT-DEL, 5 weekly NRT-DEL (with two or three being with BKK stopover), & three-weekly KIX-DEL with stopover in HKG.

UA does have slots at NRT including some that are idle.