SolarWind
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1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:16 am

I think as similar thread was on the Net some time ago..but I cant find it....So...If you could travel back in time 30 years to 1975...and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?..Heres a few..1.A new TWO engine plane would be able to fly 7000 to 8000 mi. Non Stop...2...5 out of the 6 largest US Airlines would take a trip thru Chap. 11..3.The two great US Flag carriers of the 70s..Pan Am, and TWA would be out of Business..4..AA would be the largest Airline in the world..and the largest US carrier in MIA,LHR, and South America (AA didnt have a single flight to any of these in the 70s)..5. CO would be flying NS to PEK and DEL from EWR with a Twin engine plane.no less....What else?..later SW
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:29 am

First, Thank you for remind me that I am 30!!! Big grin  Wink

Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.
Airlines offering only peanuts during flight.
OneWorld and Star Alliance.
Aeroflot flying Airbus and Boeing!
There's no flying cars...yet.
Airlines still flying DC-9,707,747-100 and 737-200.
Air France and KLM merger.
Bye, bye Swissair and Sabena.
Emirates.
E-ticket.
Osaka-Kansai Airport.
Hong Kong New york nonstop.
Singapore LAX and New York nonstop.
IFE,PTV's on Economy CLass!
Braniff 1 is gone, Braniff 2 is gone too.
Virgin Atlantic

Soooo many things.

USADreamliner .

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting SolarWind (Thread starter):
and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?.

I hate to disappoint you, but I think their shock would emanate not from what modern aircraft can do or what the state of various airlines are but, rather, from how little progress we've made technologically. Despite the fact that 1975 was somewhat of a "doom-and-gloom" period with people claiming we were running out of global oil and food, aviation was the one bright spot. I think they would be surprised at how little airplanes have in fact changed - despite great performances on just two engines, they are still for the most part an aluminum tube with wings. Perhaps they might be impressed with the composite construction just around the corner (787/350) but they would be surprised that the planes still look the same and fly the same.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.

And that says it all!
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:42 am

Deregulation
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)
No supersonic aircraft
Abysmal service
30 inch seat pitch in economy
Alliances
Automated call-centers
Online booking
Eurowhite color schemes

[Edited 2005-11-04 16:44:25]
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:51 am

I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:52 am

The impact of FF programs with people flying in First even though they bought a cheap ticket.

The quality of the food - it actually used to be pretty good in those days.

The level of security that is required just to board a plane.

Not being able to let kids up front to see what it's like - many a future pilot lost on that one.

The advancements in computerization in aircraft.
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:03 am

The creation of domestic hubs.

In '75 only BN and DL had the beginnings of Hub systems.

Regional airlines.

Back in '75 when you flew on regionals, they were flying mostly used props, today most are flying RJ's and sophisticated turboporps!

Flip flops and cut offs.

What people think is ok now is just beyond words.

Also, prior to deregulation, major airlines did not just go out of business. If there was a "sick" airline it was often forced into a merger.

[Edited 2005-11-04 17:05:32]
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 4):
I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.

Actually, the Twin Towers were completed, I believe, in 1970 & 1972; but nonetheless your point is still valid.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.

More like no PanAm (the original) PERIOD! Also TWA, Western & Eastern would be gone.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)

Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.

A few other shockers/surprises:

Boeing would merge with McDonnell-Douglas and offer a MDD derivative (717-200) for a brief period.

737s would be used for transcontinental flights.

Glass cockpits.

Smoking banned on all domestic flights.

The T.V. show Airline.

Regional Jets (or RJs) doing routes normally handled by DC-9s, 732s, and/or BAC111s. Back then, if one said "RJ"; they were usually referring to the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.

No super jumbo aircraft available for commercial service until 2008-2010.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:22 am

In 1975 the NW DC-9 you just boarded would be the same DC-9 you boarded in 2005....sorry NW...LOL...couldnt resist.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 8):
In 1975 the NW DC-9 you just boarded would be the same DC-9 you boarded in 2005....sorry NW...LOL...couldnt resist.

NW did not fly the DC-9 in '75. They came to NW with the RC merger.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:36 am

They would notice a cabin full of passengers. 1975 US airlines were not de-regulated yet and were flying many routes with 25% load factors and ticket prices to match the cost of operating near empty airplanes.
I was on a BN flight about that time frame JFK-IAD-OKC-COS myself and 2 other passengers on a 27. Many flights you just picked most any seat as there were few passengers.

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:48 am

Hmm...I think flares are still in, big collars etc. Kipper ties, mullets... Big grin
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)

Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.

Aloaha Airlines, from SNA, SAN, BUR, LAS, RNO, to HNL, all of those were/are served by 737-700's with winglets. I believe that the LAS-HNL flight was the longest I have ever been on in a 737.
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
NW did not fly the DC-9 in '75. They came to NW with the RC merger.

In '75, I think NW only flew 707s, 727s, 747s, and DC10s. Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that! They would evolve into Northwest's Signature fleet type.

[Edited 2005-11-04 21:04:46]
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:04 am

99) Airbus will have > 50% marketshare.  Smile




What marketshare had Airbus in '75 ? 1% ? 2% ? Big grin
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:18 am

January 1975 : British Airways inaugurate its first shuttle service London-Glasgow

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March 1975 : First test flight for the Yak-42

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March 1975 : First test flight for the STOL Dash 7 from De Havilland Canada.

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Avril 1975 : French President Valery Giscard D'Estaing inaugurates the new LYON SATOLAS Airport.

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Avril 1975 : Danièle Décuré becomes the first female pilot on Airbus A300 (Air France)

Mai 1975 : British Airways and Air New Zealand open a codeshare service London-Auckland via LAX with a DC-10

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June 1975 : German charter airline "Germanair" operates its first Airbus A300B4

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July 1975 : First test flight for the B747SP

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July 1975 : The last Constellation (F-ZVMV) in service in France is retired from service and offered to "Le Bourget Air & Space museum "

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August 1975 : JAL creates Japan Asia Airways to operate flights to Taïwan

November 1975 : SABENA inaugurates a flight to Singapore, via Vienna/Abu Dhabi/Bangkok

December 1975 : The 10th and Last Dassault Mercure (F-BTTJ) is delivered to the French Domestic airline AIR INTER.

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December 1975 : The Concorde cn 205, F-BVFA, is delivered to Air France. The aircraft is the first to wear the new AF livery.

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December 1975 : Aeroflot introduces the supersonic Tu-144 on the line Moscow - Alma Ata ...

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
Airbus will have > 50% marketshare.

That in 2005 Airbus would still be asking for launch aid  Wink
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:52 am

 eyepopping   footinmouth   eyepopping 

Internet onboard ( try to explain that 30 years ago!)

PrivatAir flying for LH,LX and KL
.
John Travolta and the 707 ( or is it a 720?)

Flights between China and Taiwan

Malev,LOt,CSA,Aeroflot,Balkan flying western built airplanes.

Wait five more years for the creation of America West, and then 25 years
more for the merger with US Airways,wich merged with Piedmont in 1987(88?).

Year 1975, the creation of Crossair ( they'll never believe me if I tell them about the future of this company!)

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
Wait five more years for the creation of America West

America West started in 1983, some 8 years after 1975.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
then 25 years
more for the merger with US Airways,wich merged with Piedmont in 1987(88?).

The USAir name wouldn't come along until some 4 years later; late Sept. of 1979; prior to that, the airline was still Allegheny.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
John Travolta and the 707 ( or is it a 720?)

What? Vinne Barbarino would have his own plane?
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 13):
Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that!

As I recall, my fourth flight ever was LAS-GCN on a RW DC9 in 1975. It brought back lots of memories seeing an NW DC9 with an N93xx registration in EWR last year.
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:09 am

That a world community would all be yapping about civil aviation on something called the internet using personal computers!
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:16 am

Flying being cheaper than taking the train!

While it is true that the real progress seems to look small, nobody should forget that a 787 is much more advanced airplane than the 747-100.

FBW, glass cockpits, satellite communication, all these things have made it much easier to fly. And don't forget traffic growth. Today Fra has more than 50mio passengers. In the 70s it were maybe 10million. This is a huge difference.
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:46 am

1975:
Flying was a fun (and usually infrequent) experience people would pay a lot for
Customer was important
Service mattered
Airline reputation mattered
Food, drinks and space were plentiful
Almost all pax would dress decently for a flight
Concorde was a symbol of aviation technology marvels just around the corner

2005:
Flying is a frustrating experience which some people try to avoid
Shareholders only thing that matters
Food? drinks? space? That's what first class is for
Customers are simply a business inconvenience
Many pax dress and act like pigs (or worse)
Lockheed gone
McDD gone
Concorde a museum display item




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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:50 am

Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 23):
Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.

Here are some sample one way fares (in '74 dollars) from the BN Winter/Spring 1974 Schedule:

ACA-ORD F $177.00 Y 139.50
EZE-DFW F $584.00 Y 396.00
ORD-DFW F $90.00 Y $69.00
DFW-DTW F $ 108.00 Y $83.00
DFW-MSP F 98.00 Y 73.00
DFW-JFK F 140.00 Y 107.00

Hope this helps.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:39 pm

Aeroflot buying Western aircraft like Boeing and Airbus,
that the AN-225 flew commercial goods, the demise of the 3-holers would certainly rise a few
eye-brows in 1975.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:50 pm

Those first class prices are great. BTW $80 in 1974 would be $315 today. Got that rate here...

http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.cfm
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:05 pm

Southwest Airlines would become the most successful and profitable airline in history, and have service to 50+ cities by 2005.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:11 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
Internet onboard ( try to explain that 30 years ago!)



Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 20):
That a world community would all be yapping about civil aviation on something called the internet using personal computers!

If you found the right geeks at certain academic institutions, you may have had some success. The internet was created in 1969 as a way for otherwise disconnected computer users to communicate with each other. But who then could have imagined the profound way in which it's changed our lives?

Regardless of the leaps in technology we'll see in the future, I'm sure there will always be diehards perched on ladders around airport perimeter fences around the world striving to capture that perfect airliner image and discussing them among like-minded friends.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:31 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 27):
Southwest Airlines would become the most successful and profitable airline in history

I would say that is a bit over stated.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 28):
If you found the right geeks at certain academic institutions, you may have had some success. The internet was created in 1969 as a way for otherwise disconnected computer users to communicate with each other.

Personal computers did not exist in 1969.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 30):
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 28):
If you found the right geeks at certain academic institutions, you may have had some success. The internet was created in 1969 as a way for otherwise disconnected computer users to communicate with each other.

Personal computers did not exist in 1969.

Threepoint is talking about ARPANET:

The precursor to the Internet, ARPANET was a large wide-area network created by the United States Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA). Established in 1969, ARPANET served as a testbed for new networking technologies, linking many universities and research centers. The first two nodes that formed the ARPANET were UCLA and the Stanford Research Institute, followed shortly thereafter by the University of Utah.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:31 pm

What about A.net????????
I am sure no one in 1975 knew about this wonderful place
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 26):
Those first class prices are great. BTW $80 in 1974 would be $315 today. Got that rate here...

Those are one way... that would be $630 r/t.

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:47 am

Wow . . . what a great thread!!!!  Smile

I was just looking in a 1982 encyclopedia . . . now I know it's 6 years later but u get the idea.

Worlds Busiest Airports

1. ORD 47,927,000 pax
2. ATL
3. LAX
4. LHR
5. JFK
6. SFO
7. DFW (REGIONAL)
8. STAPLETON
9. TOKYO (doesnt say which one)
10. MIA
11. LGA!!
12. OSAKA 16,824,000
13. FRA
14. BOS
15. ORY
16. HNL
17. DCA
18. YYZ
19. DTW
20. PIT
21. IAH
22. LAS
23. FCO
24. PHL
25. MEX 10,206,000 pax

LGA, DCA, and BOS ... such tiny airports by todays standards, were amongst the world's busiest. BOS may still get into the top 25 today, but DCA and LGA won't.

No MCO/EWR/CDG! Amongst other things, the list has really shifted. IAH, DFW, MIA, and LAS are closer to the top.

Also to note . . . if u handled over 20,000,000 pax a year, you were in the top 10.

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:57 am

JFK, sure not Moscow wasn´t included, flying in Sovietunion was inexpensive...
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting SolarWind (Thread starter):
AA would be the largest Airline in the world..

Really? It's AF/KLM surely. (And THAT is even more surprising!)
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
I would say that is a bit over stated.

the numbers don't lie. 20+ years of consecutive profits are nothing any other airline has ever done in a deregulated environment. Economics alone proves that what I said was true. Of course, with other factors considered, there could be some consideration.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 10):
I was on a BN flight about that time frame JFK-IAD-OKC-COS myself and 2 other passengers on a 27. Many flights you just picked most any seat as there were few passengers.

Not exactly 1975, but from the same era. Memorable flights I've taken with near empty loads....I've somewhat of a savant...numbers stick out in my mind!

1976
Western Airlines
720B
LAX-PHX
18 pax

1977
Braniff
727-200
DFW-PDX
10 pax

1978
United
767-200
DFW-DEN
20 pax

1982
Northwest Orient
727-200
GFK-YWG
5 pax

1982
NordAir
737-200
YYZ-YWG
1 pax (me)
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 30):
Personal computers did not exist in 1969.

Yeah, but Al Gore was alive then.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
1978
United
767-200
DFW-DEN
20 pax

Are you sure? The first 767s didn't come out until 1982.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 39):
Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
1978
United
767-200
DFW-DEN
20 pax

Are you sure? The first 767s didn't come out until 1982.

Maybe he meant to say 727-200.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
hate to disappoint you, but I think their shock would emanate not from what modern aircraft can do or what the state of various airlines are but, rather, from how little progress we've made technologically

I agree with you. I think aviation advanced technologically more between 1945 to 1975 than from 1975 to 2005. Ironically I think WWII and the cold war acted as a catalyst for aviation technology between the forties and the 70s. Many people thought we would have advanced more in supersonic travel between the 60s and now. When I was a kid I remember reading many science and technology magazines predicting what we would be flying in or driving in the 21st century. Yes there have been very important changes especially with computer technology but I think back in the 70s people thought by now we would have advanced more.
 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 30):
Personal computers did not exist in 1969.

No, but the origins of the internet were on academic networks, not personal computers: http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml#Initial_Concepts
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:36 am

1. Eastern and Pan Am both gone.

2. No DC-anything in production.

3. 747 still queen of the skies, even though her rival is on its way.

4. Low Cost Carriers

5. Regional Jets

6. Spoke and Hub ops

7. No smoking on flights

8. The success of Airbus

9. All the U.S. carriers in Chp. 11

10. Deregulation and the decline of U.S. domestic wide-body service, and phenomenal success of the 737.

11. The 727 being a rare bird.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:23 am

I can't believe everyone forgot this one:

A Starbucks at *every* airport!  bigthumbsup 

DEN! Come on people! Construction started in 1989! Opened 1995.  Smile
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Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
There's no flying cars...yet.

I was promised flying cars!  hissyfit 

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
E-ticket.

Oh boy... try to explain everything that is required for an E-ticket:
1. Universal credit card ownership
2. Personal computers *everywhere*
3. The internet
4. Web browsers/servers/internet security.

Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 4):
I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...

 cry 

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):

Flip flops and cut offs.

Oh, they had Flip flops then (on the beach only though).

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 15):

December 1975 : The Concorde cn 205, F-BVFA, is delivered to Air France. The aircraft is the first to wear the new AF livery.

 Sad The shock would be NO supersonic aircraft are flying across the Atlantic... And that PanAm pilots never flew any.  Sad

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):

Internet onboard ( try to explain that 30 years ago!)

 rotfl  And why it would be worth paying $25 for access!

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 22):
Almost all pax would dress decently for a flight



Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 34):
9. TOKYO (doesnt say which one)

Ummm... NRT opened in 1978!!!

The shock would be that farmer is still holding his ground!


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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 44):
DEN! Come on people! Construction started in 1989! Opened 1995.
From: DEN" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEN

Your post reminded me of a couple other goodies:

At PHL, the newly built International Terminal (then known as just 'A'); will not open for another 16 years.

At BOS, the ground breaking ceremony for construction of the proposed commuter runway (14-32) will not take place for another 30 years.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 39):
Are you sure? The first 767s didn't come out until 1982.

And United didn't serve DFW in 1978!
So, I was wrong on so many levels!!

It was 1982, within weeks of entry into service, it's why I booked the flight in the first place, estatic when I was able to sample many different seats.
(I for some reason was thinking of a 1978 flight from DFW-DEN booked on CO, but wound up flying FL because of mechanical. 140 folks scrambling to fit onto the last flight of the day out, on a 737 holding 110!
At that time, I believe if memory serves correctly, between DFW-DEN, the choice of airlines was: AA, CO, BN, FL, and UA. What a bloodbath. I do remember the ticket was $39.00.
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:19 pm

At least now you dont have Charleton Heston trying to climb in the smashed open cockpit of an ex-AA 747-100 doing IAD-SLC...  innocent 
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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:55 pm

Another one............

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RE: 1975 VS. 2005

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:04 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 36):
Really? It's AF/KLM surely. (And THAT is even more surprising!)

AA is still the largest carrier.

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