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Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:37 am

Here's the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113107413091988208-


The article states basically:

Mr. Page says his plane will hold about 50 passengers when its refurbishment is complete. A top Gulfstream business jet typically carries 15 or fewer. He declines to give other details. People in the aviation industry familiar with the planned interior say it will have a sitting area, two staterooms with adjoining lavatories and a shower. Farther aft will be a large sitting-and-dining area. At the rear will be 12 to 16 first-class seats for guests or employees and a large galley.

[Edited 2005-11-04 16:41:33]
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:54 am

Good article. They're also smart if they bought it from QF, because QF have an excellent reputation on the used aircraft market. The planes are usually in very good condition and require minimal attention to get back into the air.

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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:59 am

I read the WSJ article this morning and was actually impressed Brin and Page purchased this aircraft privately; GOOG has not spent a dime on the acquisition.

Does anyone know if the aircraft is a 767-200ER, or simply a non-ER model?
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 2):
Does anyone know if the aircraft is a 767-200ER, or simply a non-ER model?

all QF 767s were/are ER models
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:49 am

Heard it on CNBC this morning, the purchase price is $15 Million, and after the remodeling, it will cost $40 million total...

Good for them!! Lucky bastards.... hee hee...
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:46 am

Flying a used 767 with a functional but not lavish VIP interior would cost an average of about $13,000 per flight-hour, compared with $7,850 for a Gulfstream V, according to Conklin & deDecker Aviation Information.

As for what they plan to do with it, Mr. Page wouldn't be specific. He says "part of the equation for this sort of machinery is to be able to take large numbers of people to places such as Africa. I think that can only be good for the world."

The purchase of a wide-body jet for personal use might seem at odds with the Google founders' support for environmental causes. The company gives employees $5,000 if they buy hybrid gas-electric cars, for example.
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:36 am

Cool. So now the question is, will it have a boring corporate jet livery, or perhaps the multicolored "Google" logo in billboard letters across the sides? I'm sure someone here can come up with a Photoshop rendering...  Smile
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:05 am

I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

SFO-LHR 5367 mi
SFO-GRU 6472 mi
SFO-EZE 6451 mi
SFO-SCL 5906 mi
SFO-NRT 5124 mi
SFO-CDG 5583 mi
SFO-FCO 6264 mi

Some of these flights appear to be on the outer threshold of the aircraft's performance limits.

Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:35 am

Does anyone know what the former QF registration of the 762 is? Wonder if QF will be using it for promotional tours, like the Travolta 707, 50 years form now?
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:10 am

The article is now available on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, no subscription required.

[Edited 2005-11-04 22:22:36]
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056



Hi Pdpsol

no offense but are you sure about the PW4056 - QF's 200ERs were early build a/c and I was pretty sure that they were JT9D's .
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

SFO-LHR 5367 mi
SFO-GRU 6472 mi
SFO-EZE 6451 mi
SFO-SCL 5906 mi
SFO-NRT 5124 mi
SFO-CDG 5583 mi
SFO-FCO 6264 mi

Some of these flights appear to be on the outer threshold of the aircraft's performance limits.

Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.

No doubt in a VIP configuration, weight would be low and they could get more range, plus they could add some more fuel tanks, perhaps.
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:25 am

Quote:

He says there's no plan for Google to reimburse the duo for its costs. A Google spokesman says the plane has no formal connection with the company.

So there's not going to be a Google livery?
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

I would imagine the effective range to be quite a big greater, since it will carry much less payload than if it were in airline service.
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm).

The 767-238/ER is equipped with PW JT9D-7R4E with 50,00lbs each.

I believe all QFs 762s were the same.
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
no offense but are you sure about the PW4056 - QF's 200ERs were early build a/c and I was pretty sure that they were JT9D's

No offense taken; my source is the a.net aircraft specs database, which lists the following engines offered on the 762ER:

767-200ER
PW4050 222.4kN (50,000lb)
PW4052 231kN (52,000lb)
PW4056 252.4kN (56,750lb)
CF680C2B4Fs 257.7kN (57,900lb)

Obviously, QF's examples fly with the Pratt & Whitney engines, not the GE CF6s, and the database only lists the JT9D7R4D as having been offered on the 767-200 [non-ER].

Quite a sweet plane these dudes will be flying around in. Also, if the aircraft's weight in VIP-format is lower than a typical two-class passenger layout, no doubt its stated range performance can be enhanced.
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:24 am

I did the research via the FAA site.

The aircraft is former VH-EAQ (newest of the QF 762 fleet and most recent to be retired) - c/n 23896.

New registration: N2767

The owners are listed as:

BLUE CITY HOLDINGS LLC
555 BRYANT ST # 347
PALO ALTO CA 94301-1704
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:45 am

Wow! I'll take their word for it when they say it is a smart investment, but I don't know! When are they going to be traveling to places like Tokyo, Heathrow, or Buenos Aires? They'll only probably use it for domestic travel in the US anyways. Besides that, if I had the money I would have a 744 on order! Wonder what the cost would be to outfit that bad boy!!!  Smile
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:07 pm

Let me get this straight, you think buying a 762 is a bad idea for mainly domestic travel but you would buy a 744 for the same reason?
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:18 pm

they could paint it white with a 'g' infront of the windows and a 'gle' at then aft of them so it would look like goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle

just a thought

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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:16 pm

Gav: If they saw that brilliant idea, I bet they'd do it.
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:45 pm

Where do I sign up. I want a plane!  Smile  thumbsup 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:48 pm

aircraft was Boeing 767-238 VH-EAQ now with Blue City which is barely a 5 minute drive from the Google campus.
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 17):
Wonder what the cost would be to outfit that bad boy!!

A lot, but not as much as you might think.

There is a company (or two, but one specifically) which does 767 conversions from used passenger examples so they have the experience. I recall seeing them doing a 763 for an Arab company a while back, the designers being a couple of women who have a global reputation for work like that. So they know what goes where and what is possible already.

I think they did the one for Roman Abramovitch which is a classy looking bird!
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 23):
I recall seeing them doing a 763 for an Arab company a while back, the designers being a couple of women who have a global reputation for work like that. So they know what goes where and what is possible already.

I was watching that program on TV half an hour ago. They were doing up a 737-700, I think
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:21 am

I read in USA Today that Google's founder donated $100 Mill to charity,so I think he can afford a used 762  Smile
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:35 am

Brian,
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:41 am

So now that the Google guys have a 767, I guess Paul Allen will have to upgrade from his two 757s. T73 anyone? Big grin
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:12 am

Guys,

I just got a very nice message from a non-member a.net enthusiast. He states all QF 767-238's "were ER's and all were powered by P&W JT9D-7R4E engines. 7 were owned by QF and all have been sold".

So, as Amy has stated, the QF examples were pre-P&W 4050/52/56 models, powered by the JT9D.

These Google boys will be traveling in style...
 
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 11):
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

SFO-LHR 5367 mi
SFO-GRU 6472 mi
SFO-EZE 6451 mi
SFO-SCL 5906 mi
SFO-NRT 5124 mi
SFO-CDG 5583 mi
SFO-FCO 6264 mi


Some of these flights appear to be on the outer threshold of the aircraft's performance limits.

Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.

No doubt in a VIP configuration, weight would be low and they could get more range, plus they could add some more fuel tanks, perhaps.

I deal with a 762ER (cannot reveal info sorry  Sad )

With it's Extra Tanks/Light Load it can fly upto 21hours endurance!

we've done LAX - NBO several times.

It's more like E ER (extra extended Range)

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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:36 am

They are also looking for the registration : G-OGLE too.

Any info who's doing the interior?

Maybe LH in FRA? Anyone?

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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 6):
Cool. So now the question is, will it have a boring corporate jet livery, or perhaps the multicolored "Google" logo in billboard letters across the sides? I'm sure someone here can come up with a Photoshop rendering... Smile

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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.

As others have stated, once a jet is converted to private use with limited payload and performance tweaks, those range figures go out the window. this plane could to SYD, HKG, SIN etc.

The 'mid-body' size of the 767 is just a great size for private use, too. And I assume you can rig the hold to drive a car into it, assuming it's something the size of a miata or elise or pontiac solstice.
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RE: Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas

Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting BBJII (Reply 30):
Any info who's doing the interior?

Maybe LH in FRA? Anyone?

Just read the link provided by the Thread starter:

Quote:
The Google co-founders' 767 is now in San Antonio, people familiar with the matter say, having its interior re-done by Gore Design Completions Ltd., a firm that specializes in outfitting executive jets. Previous clients include the Chinese government and the Detroit Pistons basketball team. Gore, in a May 12 press release, announced a contract to outfit a 767-200 with "a 100% VIP interior" for an unnamed U.S. customer.

Rick Penshorn, Gore's vice president of operations, says confidentiality agreements prohibit him from identifying who owns the plane. When it's finished in several months, he says, it will be transformed from a glorified bus into a "good, functional, well-appointed corporate aircraft, but not anything over the top."