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Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:00 am

According to some sources from the www.avia.ru (they have some Aeroflot insiders posting on their forum) , although not yet officially announced Aerolfot did sign an agreement for the A350s.

Nothing against Airbus, but I was really hoping they would go for the 787. I mean A350 is too big for Aeroflot. Although may be until the aircraft will be delivered, Russian air travel will pick up.

This info is not official so don't quote me on this one.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:14 am

Let's wait for the official press release then...
If it is A350 indeed, then that's a surprise move... I thought they wanted new planes in 2009?
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:20 am

I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
I mean A350 is too big for Aeroflot.

Let's not forget they're supposed to replace among others planes like the IL-86 and IL-96s, which aren't exactly small planes either. Plus, if they go for the -800, it's not that big...

Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
Although may be until the aircraft will be delivered, Russian air travel will pick up.

I believe Russian air travel IS already picking up quite a bit.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
Nothing against Airbus, but I was really hoping they would go for the 787. I mean A350 is too big for Aeroflot. Although may be until the aircraft will be delivered, Russian air travel will pick up.

I would be surprised if they ordered A359s, but an A358 is a modest increase in size over the 767. I am sure Airbus would be willing to offer a sweet deal to win a 767 customer over after the loss of AC, including offering greater industrial offsets.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:08 am

Bit of a coup for Airbus if it's true. The A350 in SU's colours will look pretty nice!  bouncy 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Bit of a coup for Airbus if it's true. The A350 in SU's colours will look pretty nice!

Why would this be a "coup"? Wasn't Airbus the favorite to win?
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:17 am

Too bad I don't know Russian, I'd love to read what Russians are saying about this particular 787/A350 competition.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Why would this be a "coup"? Wasn't Airbus the favorite to win?

Not according to the Boeing cheerleaders here.  wink 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:30 am

Leahy was bragging in a press release that they expect to announce new orders for the 350 at Dubai the week of November 14 and that the orders will be from several customers. It sounds like he was counting on the SU order to go in their favor and perhaps it did.

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new...ly_story.jsp?id=news/AIRB11045.xml
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
Too bad I don't know Russian, I'd love to read what Russians are saying about this particular 787/A350 competition

Try this:
http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/service...5232451130510278%26topiccount%3D22
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:50 am

The IL 86 and 96 are big, but when i fly on them ( maybe 2 times a year) they tend to be 50% filled at best.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:52 am

And yet Aeroflot have just confirmed new orders for Il-96's according to Janes and that's a fairly reliable source.

4 November 2005

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Aeroflot - Russian Airlines has signed a contract for the purchase of seven Airbus A321 aircraft. The airline already operates three of the type and will begin taking delivery of the new aircraft from the fourth quarter of 2006. In September 2005, the airline ordered six Ilyushin 96-300 aircraft, to be leased from Ilyushin Finance.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:03 am

While I hate to talk about politics, I guess this is a highly political decision. When Gerhard Schr�der talked at the A380 reveal, he expressed his hope that EADS would open their view towards Russia, involving them in future projects.

So maybe there are some kind of deals between the EU and Russia on this. Don't get me wrong, I usually don't want to involve politics in aircraft deals, but this time I think this is not unlikely.

Anyway, its so boring that Aeroflot is buying Boeing and Airbus. It would be so cool if they flew modern russian jets. I know that they have a lot of russian airliners and that they also consider buying new ones, but I really hope the russian aviation industry will survive.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
While I hate to talk about politics, I guess this is a highly political decision. When Gerhard Schr�der talked at the A380 reveal, he expressed his hope that EADS would open their view towards Russia, involving them in future projects.

So maybe there are some kind of deals between the EU and Russia on this. Don't get me wrong, I usually don't want to involve politics in aircraft deals, but this time I think this is not unlikely.

Well, according to the Boeing cheerleaders here, they said politics will play in Boeing's favour since SU ordered a bunch of A320s. So to balance that order out, they'll go after the 787.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Why would this be a "coup"? Wasn't Airbus the favorite to win?

Not according to the Boeing cheerleaders here

Well, here's the thread from a few days back. It's a slow night so why don't you review. A lot of these folks who opined that Boeing was going to win are not Boeing "cheerleaders". I've always felt that Putin would swing this Airbus' way.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:59 am

Russia is signing up for a 3% share in the A350 project. So an order from Russia was predictable. Same as Japanese orders for 787s (and 747ADVs?).

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/10/10/044.html

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:10 pm

That would be a nice boost to the A350 programme if true, as IIRC the order would be for up to 22 aircraft, making SU the second largest customer for the A350 thus far.

With their fleet of new narrowbody Airbus aircraft an soon, new longhaul aircraft, SU can truly start competing with the European carriers flying to the Far East. On every direct flight I've taken out of Europe to either South Korea, Japan or Hong Kong the flightpath on the IFE shows Moskou or St. Petersburg as one of the cities being flown over. Aeroflot has, with Moskou, a geographically positioned ideal hub,to fly passengers from Europe to the Far East and vice versa, time to take advantage of this.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:42 pm

Too bad Russia isn't making new airliners anymore like it used to. Now Aeroflot not only has adopted a mundane western looking paintscheme but the planes they'll be flying will be something as boring/ugly as the A350. The engines look too oversized on that A330 airframe, yuck.

The Airline with the most variety of airliners is becoming as boring as the rest. I guess it's a sign of the times.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:48 pm

It floors me to read about Aeroflot buying Airbus airplanes as Boeing constantly pours tons of money to keep the Boeing Design Center in Moscow. The BDC was Boeing's attempt to sway Aeroflot to buy Boeing products in return trying to rejuvenate Russia's diving aerospace industry. Apparently, this hasn't worked.

Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.

I think that could also be a strategic move in the sense that you don't want these guys with aerospace expertise being hired by Chinese or anyone else to make new jet fighters. I don't think it's really just about the orders from SU
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:54 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.

or Canada? Boeing already has large investment in Canada (Winnipeg, Ottawa?). It would be a nice way of saying thank you to AC...  Smile

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.

It's partly for them to take advantage of an existing talent pool and resources. Weren't they doing some wind tunnel testing in Russia as well? It's not all for offset reasons. But if Boeing purchases are being blocked for political reasons by the Russian government, Boeing should carefully consider its position. Anyway, what other airlines are there in Russia, and are any Boeing customers or likely candidates?

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 19):
I think that could also be a strategic move in the sense that you don't want these guys with aerospace expertise being hired by Chinese or anyone else to make new jet fighters. I don't think it's really just about the orders from SU

That's a major reason for it.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:59 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.

Lots of smart engineers there too. Probably lots of reasons to have a Moscow design center other than to sway SU.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:17 pm

Reading through the translated page, there were two anonymous comments which were very in explicit other than: They signed for A350's. I personally will wait for the decision to be made official. I feel that it will still go to Boeing, but one has been wrong before!

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:47 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Bit of a coup for Airbus if it's true. The A350 in SU's colours will look pretty nice!

Coup? A last minute price cut on the 358 due to the loss of AC is more likely. I'll say around $70 Million USD each. (watching the break even number rise  Smile )

Geo Politics at play here. Russia can't be seen on the home front as being too Pro American. Too many variables with Putin not running for re-election.

These orders are stop gaps anyway. Russia has every intent on becoming an exporter of Commercial Aircraft in the future. As does China.  Smile
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:51 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India

This is a very onesided look.
You could also think that Boeing is trying not to be left out in the cold. Even though there are "only" 145 M people in Russia...they live far apart and air travel will have a big future in Russia and beyond. EADS already has several projects in Russia (or did you think that Boeing was the only one) and Russian engineers are in very high demand due to high standards of education.(currently a lot of IT business is being drawn to Russia, and St Petersburg in particular). Outsourcing is a reality in todays business. Aviation is a global business and even though politics will generate some offset business, lower cost manufacturing is something that both Boeing and Airbus will try to aim for. If that means the factory around the corner is in jeopardy then that's a reality people will have to live with.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:57 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
Coup? A last minute price cut on the 358 due to the loss of AC is more likely. I'll say around $70 Million USD each. (watching the break even number rise )

Here we go again...  Yeah sure Some of you are truly pathetic, you know.

But judging by your other 'predictions', we already know how far you go as far as reliability is concerned... ('2nd A380 won't fly before December or even January' a week before the thing took off comes to mind)
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
Coup? A last minute price cut on the 358 due to the loss of AC is more likely. I'll say around $70 Million USD each. (watching the break even number rise )

Nice comment. Maybe Boeing gave AC a 777 for that price, but I have my doubts about that figure for an A350.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I

I do not think that Russia works the same way as Japan Inc. You cannot suppose such close relation between SU and a Boeing design center. However, I'll still wait and see the official statement. Such pre-official staments might well be a part in the negotiation process.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
Coup? A last minute price cut on the 358 due to the loss of AC is more likely. I'll say around $70 Million USD each. (watching the break even number rise )

If you don't know it for sure, don't say it. I don't think Airbus is desperate enough to give away planes. Other airlines have willingly signed up
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 19):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back or move outsourced work to those countries that more loyal to the Boeing Co., such as Australia, Japan or India.

Austrailia more loyal to Boeing? Didn't they order the KC-330 and QF the A380 and A330.... I should hope that if an airliner is right for a company and fits into their strategy, why bother if it's from A or B?

I agree with FVTu134 on that all companies don't want to be left out in the cold. After all EADS has bought a share in Irkut and Russia is a 3% risk sharing partner in the A350. So they have a share in Russia just as Boeing does. I think in the world of globalisation people lay too much emphasis if an aircraft is from the US or Europe. The final assembly might be there, but if you see the wings of the 787 (may I call it PlasticPlane if the A380 is called WhaleJet? lol Big grin) come from Japan and soon 4 wingsets a month of the A320 will be built in China, nationlities don't come into it as much as it used to do and people need to get over that.
 
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
Coup? A last minute price cut on the 358 due to the loss of AC is more likely.

The AC deal wasn't lost recently, and though it was delayed there was no change to expect.

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
I'll say around $70 Million USD each.

Good. Then we can be sure it's definitely different in reality...  Wink

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
Geo Politics at play here. Russia can't be seen on the home front as being too Pro American. Too many variables with Putin not running for re-election.

Ah, interesting analysis...  Yeah sure

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 24):
These orders are stop gaps anyway. Russia has every intent on becoming an exporter of Commercial Aircraft in the future. As does China.

And all these Boeing orders by China aren't stop gaps then?  eyebrow 


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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:04 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 27):
Maybe Boeing gave AC a 777 for that price, but I have my doubts about that figure for an A350.

Considering that AC ordered the most expensive 777's possible (ranging from $209Million to $253Million at list price), I highly doubt that that they got them for $70Million each. I am sure that AC got a good deal, but Boeing only has so much give pricewise. They have an extremely popular plane on their hands, so they will try to make as much money off of each and every plane sold! Its goes back to the old supply and demand model.

Many people on this board forget that the A350 sales' will soon dry up based on the perceived advantage of delivery slots. The A350 has to be getting close to being sold out for the first couple of years of production. Simple math proves that Boeing has the huge advantage in this department. Airbus can win all the orders they want based on price, but overtime, their delivery times will keep slipping.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
It floors me to read about Aeroflot buying Airbus airplanes as Boeing constantly pours tons of money to keep the Boeing Design Center in Moscow

Why? Airbus has a huge design center in Moscow also. Its not to sell airplanes to Russia, I assure you.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):

Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes??? I believe Boeing execs need to get back into reality and perhaps either bring Boeing jobs back

Actually you need to get back into reality. Airbus and Boeing are both in Moscow to get talented engineers at a fraction of the cost of the other countries you've proposed.

These are BUSINESSES we're talking about, not fraternities.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Kevin (Thread starter):
I mean A350 is too big for Aeroflot.

Far from it! Aeroflot really needs bigger airplanes for their long haul routes.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
they're supposed to replace among others planes like the IL-86 and IL-96s,

They're not replacing the IL-96. The ones that they have are only some 10 years old, while they have recently ordered six more frames. But they could replace the IL-86, which has some 350 seats (I believe). The IL-86 is actually bigger than the A359.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
I believe Russian air travel IS already picking up quite a bit.

During the last five years, air travel in Russia has grown more than in any other part of the world. And this happens while prices skyrocket!

Quoting RedAirForce (Reply 10):
The IL 86 and 96 are big, but when i fly on them ( maybe 2 times a year) they tend to be 50% filled at best.

Tney've been almost totally full almost every time I've been flying them.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 11):
And yet Aeroflot have just confirmed new orders for Il-96's

They need the IL-96 in order to keep their government happy.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
Why sacrifice American jobs for a customer that has NO intentions on buying Boeing airplanes and that is replacing their fleet with Airbus airplanes???

Wake up! Aeroflot isn't the only airline in Russia. There are many others that are flying Boeing airplanes. One of them, Transaero, is exclusively flying Boeings: 2 742, 4 763, 3 762, 4 734, and 2 733.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:52 am

maybe SU won't be able to get a hold of MD-11F's so they have decided to go with the A350's.....could be part of the reason..just guessing..

"The planned acquisition of Boeing MD-11 freighters for the airline�s newly formed �Aeroflot-Cargo� subsidiary is being tied to the prospective 787 deal, says the division�s director Igor Desyatnichenko. Aeroflot has been unsuccessful so far in its efforts to acquire secondhand MD-11Fs to replace its four leased McDonnell Douglas DC-10-40 freighters."

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 17):
Now Aeroflot not only has adopted a mundane western looking paintscheme but the planes they'll be flying will be something as boring/ugly as the A350.

Boring, maybe. But ugly? Well, it will be certainly prettier than the 787... And one of the most elegant bird flying (like the A330 already is).
Just my opinion, naturally.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:48 pm

So when SU will make an announcement about the choice they have done ?
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 34):
The IL-86 is actually bigger than the A359.

No it´s not. It´s about B763/A300 size. Maximum capacity is, IIRC, 350 seats in all y interior. The A359 could have 440 seats all y.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:51 pm

Latest news: The latest meeting was just a pre-selection, the real decision won't be until the end of November, maybe even a vote at the shareholder's meeting will be necessary.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 31):
The AC deal wasn't lost recently, and though it was delayed there was no change to expect.

Agreed.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 33):
Actually you need to get back into reality. Airbus and Boeing are both in Moscow to get talented engineers at a fraction of the cost of the other countries you've proposed.

These are BUSINESSES we're talking about, not fraternities.

Perfectly right. Airbus has a design office in Moscow, and even in Wichita...Of course it can always be seen as a move to get something in return (which I believe is also true), but it is also to get talented people where they are.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 39):
The latest meeting was just a pre-selection

So it is correct that Airbus is the favourite?
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 42):
So it is correct that Airbus is the favourite?

I don't know. It was just a selection committee deciding which plane they prefer. They'll show their decision to the board, the board will make a decision, and then the shareholders have to vote. That's what I read, but probably the Kremlin is the real decision place.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:32 am

Aha... I told you the underdog will win (i.e. Airbus)

Aeroflot to choose between A350 and 787 next week

But this great news. Congratulations Airbus is in order.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:57 pm

The Boeing Team in Moscow is desingning the 747 large freighter to carry
the 787 subassembly to the final production line.

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:52 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 43):
I don't know. It was just a selection committee deciding which plane they prefer. They'll show their decision to the board, the board will make a decision, and then the shareholders have to vote. That's what I read, but probably the Kremlin is the real decision place.



Quoting KL808 (Reply 44):
Aha... I told you the underdog will win (i.e. Airbus)

No decision has been announced unless you know something that no one else does!

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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 46):
No decision has been announced unless you know something that no one else does!

Right, there has been no decision, just a pre-selection by a selection committee that will recommend one plane to the board. There is no indication, that I know of, which plane it is going to be.
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RE: Apparently SU Went For The A350

Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 33):
These are BUSINESSES we're talking about, not fraternities

There goes my image of Airbus and Boeing engineers with beer bongs. A kegerator in every cube!  drunk