varig_dc10
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F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:16 pm

I flew on this aircraft last week.
When I searched for photo's of it, I noticed it's type is 747-428M.

Does that mean it is a Combi?


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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:18 pm

it is a comby but used as full pax 747-400.

some years ago AF and LH converted all combies to full pax 747-400.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:21 pm

Thanks Avianca

During the flight I had a walk around the aircraft and it didn't seem like there was any space left for cargo at the back.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:30 pm

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 2):
During the flight I had a walk around the aircraft and it didn't seem like there was any space left for cargo at the back.

sadly the time of the 747 combies is more or less over, just some airlines still use the aircrafts as combies (Air India, KLM, OZ, KE, Air Angola (I hope that is the correct name) etc.)

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:31 pm

you can generally tell a combi by the inclusion of a large square cargo door aft of the L4 passenger door. This is where the freight is loaded. If you click on the registration of the aircraft it is quite clear on some earlier photos where this would be.

On a side note it looks like the aircraft has at least finally got the wash it desperately needed!.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:43 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
just some airlines still use the aircrafts as combies (Air India, KLM, OZ, KE, Air Angola (I hope that is the correct name) etc.)

I knew KLM still operated Combi's. I was hoping to fly back on KLM, because they often use the Combi's on the JNB-AMS route. Unfortunatley the company didn't book the flights I asked for.

Quoting Sevenheavy (Reply 4):
you can generally tell a combi by the inclusion of a large square cargo door aft of the L4 passenger door.

It was dark when I boarded the plane so I never noticed the side cargo door. Can't see anything on the photographs either. Pressume it was removed when the aircraft was converted to full passenger configuration. Would make sense.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 5):
Pressume it was removed when the aircraft was converted to full passenger configuration

normally the side-door is still aviable. and not converted.

it would take too much money + the aircraft has to reconverted in future again to cargo when the aircraft will be phase out from pax service and goes to cargo service.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:51 pm

Wouldn't they save money in the long run, by not having to maintain the side cargo door?

I'm going to have another look at the photo's to see if I can find it.

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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:01 pm

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 7):
Wouldn't they save money in the long run, by not having to maintain the side cargo door?

do not think so, the side door is fixed. it would costs much more to deinstall the door and than reinstall it again.
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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:27 pm

Avianca

It was still there in 2003.


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RE: F-GISB - Air France 747

Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 9):
When did they get converted?

the door should be still there, the fixed just the door that is normally all, not big convertion
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