corey07850
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Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:47 am

When looking at the particular loads for a flight, are seats that are "held" included in the total number of seats booked?
 
polar1
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:54 am

Can you clarify the question a bit along with what airline?
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corey07850
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:56 am

On Continental... It would say for example 50 out of 50 seats booked, then it would say 5 seats held. I am wondering if there are basically 50 or 55 people looking on flying this route.
 
polar1
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:15 am

To me, it sounds like 50 REV and then 5 trying to go NON-REV for a total of 55. I can only speak for how Delta and United display their info. Both of them will separate the REV from NON-REV as well as showing how many seats are still available for sale in the inventory. UA would overbook all the time where as DL does not really overbook. I hope this helps you a bit, good luck!
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Alias1024
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:59 am

The five held seats may be for various reasons. For example, on the 757 and 767 transatlantic, seats must be held for the crew to have a place to rest. Also, seats might be held due to some sort of anticipated weight restriction. There are some other scenarios as well which may lead to blocked seats. Therefore, without knowing the specifics of the flight, it is impossible to say whether those 5 held seats will have passengers or not.

When checking on CO, space available non-rev passengers won't cause seats to be held. I'm fairly sure a positive space won't cause a held seat either.
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:10 am

Have whoever gave you the pass to check for you. That's the easiest way.
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CO2BGR
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:45 am

On a 50 seat aircraft that would be a ERJ145ER that they hold anywhere from 3 to 5 seats for weight restrictions that can not be booked. they are not included in the total booked number. The number of nonrevs is listed over on the rightand is not included in any of the totals.
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ricardofg
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:47 am

Depends what system CO is on...on CODECO, held seats are necessary to block out bulk head seating/emergency exits, seats for DHC (Dead head crew), etc...generally they are released during the check in, but held during editing.
 
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RE: Employee Pass Travel Question

Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting CO2BGR (Reply 6):
On a 50 seat aircraft that would be a ERJ145ER that they hold anywhere from 3 to 5 seats for weight restrictions that can not be booked. they are not included in the total booked number. The number of nonrevs is listed over on the rightand is not included in any of the totals.

True that they're not included in the totals, however, technically they CAN be sold. Unless a weight restriction demands that you have an oversale, you can sell the held seats theoretically.

Let's say you have a 737-700, with 12/112. You have a no-show factor of 10%, ergo, pushing the authorized (AU) level to 12/124. Then you subtract the held seats of, say, 10, bringing it back down to 12/126.

That's your new AU level, which is higher than capacity even with the held seats.

So it's a bit misleading. I wouldn't sweat the held seats much if it's a domestic segment. If it's Latin, then you probably have to keep a closer eye on things.

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