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BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:55 pm

Hey,

Apologies if this has been posted but I did a search and couldn't find anything.

British Airways are to launch a number of destinations from March 06. About time we got some more new routes, very interesting ones too, primarily leisure. This is the first time BA will ever fly to Albania or Iceland.

From the BA customer email I recieved:

March 2006 is no ordinary month for British Airways from London Gatwick.

Black Sea beaches, volcanic Vikings and undiscovered Albania are all just a few hours away, as British Airways introduces four new routes to Europe next summer from London Gatwick. We're proud to feature British Airways' first ever flights to Albania and Iceland.

Visit Tirana, capital of Albania, from £205 return starting 27 March 2006. The service will operate three times a week on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Year-round.

Flights to Reykjavik, the world's most northerly capital commences 26 March 2006 with prices from £149 return. The service will operate five times a week on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. Year-round.

From March 26, you can try Turkey's third city, Izmir, from £149 return. The service will operate three times a week on Mondays, Fridays and Sundays. Year-round.

Head to the Black Sea via Varna, Bulgaria from £149 return,from 29 March 2006. The service will operate two times a week on Wednesdays and Saturdays only. Summer only.

For a limited time only, you can experience the stunning Greek isle of Rhodes for a special route launch price for just £99 return (usually £129) for bookings made until 30 November 2005. Flights start 3 May 2006. From 07 May 2006, we will also operate a weekly flight to the unspoilt surroundings of Ajaccio, Corsica for just £69 return.


For more info also check this link:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/newgatroutes/public/en_gb

Cheers,

Sam 

[Edited 2005-11-06 13:55:38]
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:10 pm

Wow, I think BA is the only airline, which is not Icelandic, to operate to Iceland, isn't it?
About time Icelandair got some competion from another country!
Although if BA want to really compete with them on frequency and capacity, then they will have to do more than 5 a w/k. Icelandair are at Heathrow once daily 752 and once daily 753! Plus I've seen the 767-300 on more than one occaision! Unless BA are using the 777...
Although those prices are bloody good. Any idea on the equipment they will use? Probably 737 for all of them. I don't really know much about Gatwick, so can you tell me which a/c types are based there? I know at Heathrow They have every thing apart from the 737, but are their any 32X's based there? A bit hard to tell sometimes with GB Airways based there and whereing BA titles!
Are there any 757 or 767 based there, which could be used?

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:14 pm

These routes were announced back in August if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 2):

Thats right Runway23, I cant wait for the Iceland route to come in I think its going to be operated by a 737-400? ( I shall check this at work)

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 1):

We have 737-300/400/500 based at LGW as well as two A319's (we had G-EUOH in yesterday) then you have the triple 7's and GB's fleet of A320 and A321's.

I would love for us to have some more long hauls preferably a NY to compete with CO but I dont see it happening any time soon.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:04 pm

I don't think BA has any 757s or 767s at Gatwick. I am sure these flights will be with 737-400s. Its interesting to see BA in Tirane. The Albanian population here is UK is quite large and BA have been flying to Pristina in Kosovo-Metohija (where many albanians live) for a number of years.
I might just be tempted to have a weekend in Tirane next year - and as a Balkan historian i am fascinated by how life is there.

The Iceland flight is good. Nice to see competition on that route.

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:04 am

Also with ATL, IAH, MCO and DFW (daily) plus TPA and other Caribbean Destinations, I would think the LGW based 772's are pretty much utilized to their maximum. I would agree with others and say these new routes will be 737's maybe even the odd A319. Although I wouldn't discount an odd 772 to Iceland on odd days for cargo and peak holiday seasons.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:28 am

All the fights mentioned will be operated by 737's some confusion as to which type but I'd expect them all to be operated by 737-436 a/c I'm looking forward to KEF, shame its not gonna be somewhere I can get off the aircraft though!
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 1):
Wow, I think BA is the only airline, which is not Icelandic, to operate to Iceland, isn't it?

No these airlines all operate to KEF:
Austrian Airlines
Hamburg International
MyTravel Airways A/S
Corse Air International
European Aviation Air Charter
LTU International Airways
Condor
First Choice Airways
Spanair
Futura Intl Airways
Travel Service

Any idea which type of the 737 will operate KEF flights?

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 2):
These routes were announced back in August if I remember correctly.

Yea, this is old news isn't it? (Well KEF defantly is)

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
Any idea which type of the 737 will operate KEF flights?

Reports indicate it will be a 733 route.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):

Thats what BA.com says, however it also says everysingle other flight is a 733 flight, and we dont have that many 733's. Expect a 734 to be on the route at its launch
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:02 am

For travel out to KEF on 27th March and returning on 29th March BA is charging £149 from LGW and FI is charging £453 from LHR! Looks like FI will have some serious competition on its hands for point-to-point, particularly as BA have a very civilised departure time ex London of 0930.
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):
Reports indicate it will be a 733 route.



Quoting Speedbirdcrew (Reply 9):
Thats what BA.com says, however it also says everysingle other flight is a 733 flight, and we dont have that many 733's. Expect a 734 to be on the route at its launch

With BA you never really know which 737 varient you will be on and they've often changed it on the day of departure from the original schedule when i've flown. BA have 5 -300's, 18 -400's and 10 -500's,

Quoting LGWspeedbird (Reply 3):
I would love for us to have some more long hauls preferably a NY to compete with CO but I dont see it happening any time soon.

It will almost definately never happen, BA are steering more to leisure destinations from LGW. The JFK 76 service went after 9/11.

The flights are down as 737's though one of the destinations I looked at was an Airbus A320 operating as GB Airways,

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am

Just back from a meeting with BA on Friday. They fully intend to move everything from LGW to LHR when T5 is ready. That is not counting GB Airways who do what they please (somewhat of a love/hate relationship between GB/BA and the OPO matter didn't help)... so hate to burst anyones bubble, but LGW expansion is not a permanent BA plan.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):
Just back from a meeting with BA on Friday. They fully intend to move everything from LGW to LHR when T5 is ready. That is not counting GB Airways who do what they please (somewhat of a love/hate relationship between GB/BA and the OPO matter didn't help)... so hate to burst anyones bubble, but LGW expansion is not a permanent BA plan.

How will BA move everything from LGW to LHR? A) They don't have the slots and B) even if they wanted them, they can't buy them because there aren't any!

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:43 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):
Just back from a meeting with BA on Friday. They fully intend to move everything from LGW to LHR when T5 is ready. That is not counting GB Airways who do what they please (somewhat of a love/hate relationship between GB/BA and the OPO matter didn't help)... so hate to burst anyones bubble, but LGW expansion is not a permanent BA plan.

Did you personally meet with BA? lol, sorry, sounds funny

But yeah, ummmm, negative on moving everything to LHR.....so what you're saying is that BA would no longer exist at LGW? riiiight...if they could move everything they would've, but slots issues abound
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):
Just back from a meeting with BA on Friday. They fully intend to move everything from LGW to LHR when T5 is ready. That is not counting GB Airways who do what they please (somewhat of a love/hate relationship between GB/BA and the OPO matter didn't help)... so hate to burst anyones bubble, but LGW expansion is not a permanent BA plan.

I hate to burst your bubble but that is the most stupid post I have ever read on this forum  silly 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):
Just back from a meeting with BA on Friday. They fully intend to move everything from LGW to LHR when T5 is ready.

Of course this is not possible even for the few 772 long hauls, at least until Bermuda 2 is history. But if Bermuda 2 does become history I would expect BA to be very anxious to move its LGW 772 fleet to LHR possibly by transferring some short haul flights in the opposite direction.
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:33 am

Maybe expect the few remaining shorthaul business routes at LGW to move to LHR once T5 opens, and maybe not even then until mixed mode use of the runways happens. Leisure routes will stay at LGW - both long and shorthaul - as BA generally relies on O&D plus domestic feed for these. There's certainly no way BA could move the entire LGW operation to LHR, unless it's about to announce a massive slot swop with bmi!
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:35 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):

Now while I could well believe this is an option that is being explored (as much as I love working from LGW) why would they happily tell a travel agent this but then not release the info on this to the thousands of people it would affect, it just don't add up that an official decision has been made..
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 17):
There's certainly no way BA could move the entire LGW operation to LHR, unless it's about to announce a massive slot swop with bmi!

Oh no! I'm just grateful we don't see BMI at all  silly 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
No these airlines all operate to KEF:
Austrian Airlines
Hamburg International
MyTravel Airways A/S
Corse Air International
European Aviation Air Charter
LTU International Airways
Condor
First Choice Airways
Spanair
Futura Intl Airways
Travel Service

Most of these are charter airlines, which makes sense to me as I think of Iceland as more of a tourist destination than a business one. Furthermore, Icelandair has the country pretty well connected for the business travelers who do need (or get) to go to Iceland. However, I am really suprised to see the only other full service carrier is Austrian Airlines. Is there a reason for this service? I would expect SAS, Finnair, KLM, among others far before Austrian.
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:53 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 20):
However, I am really suprised to see the only other full service carrier is Austrian Airlines. Is there a reason for this service?

The Austrian Airlines service is a charter too, it only operates in June, July and August twice a week. Infact none of the airlines listed above operate anything other than seasonal or occasional charters to Iceland.

I believe SAS dropped their own flights to KEF a few years ago in favour of a codeshare with Icelandair...

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:06 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
No these airlines all operate to KEF:
Austrian Airlines
Hamburg International
MyTravel Airways A/S
Corse Air International
European Aviation Air Charter
LTU International Airways
Condor
First Choice Airways
Spanair
Futura Intl Airways
Travel Service

You can add Azzurra Air (some 2-3 years ago I guess) MXP-KEF

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:52 pm

Quoting Cure (Reply 22):
Azzurra Air

Azzurra does not exist anymore.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 23):
Azzurra does not exist anymore.

Sorry, I thought "had ever flown regular flights to KEF"
I stand corrected.

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:54 am

Whoa, thanks for the flame fest everyone....

Let me just say a couple of things, namely to the people who seem to think I'm taking crap.... firstly, you can read from my profile that I run a travel agency, but you don't know which one, or how much business we do with BA, but just maybe it's large enough for me to have private meetings with them. I don't need to give names or places, as they have no need to be public record. I just happened to share a couple of details with you nice folk on this forum of that meeting as it happened to be of some similarity with the thread topic. As none of you were there, you'll have to take my word for it. Maybe they can buy more slots, (yes, at the right price slots can be bought), maybe its all wishful thinking on their part to move all LON ops to T5, and maybe some of you that work for BA won't be the first to know.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 25):

I am sorry and I understand that you may be in a position to have more knowledge than us, but I (along with many others) just cannot believe your statements. Is it possible that you were confused and heard "all LON operations moving to T5" when in reality it was said that "all LHR operations would move to T5". Unless BA is anticipating the destruction of Bermuda II (which is something that they favour since it limits their competition) then they would have to drop routes from London. BA may know more than anyone else about the status of Bermuda II, but they are unlikely to be sharing such confidential information. Also if BA were to do something as significant as purchase slots from who knows where (like by buying all of BMI for example) then they would definitely make anyone sign a nondisclosure agreement that they discuss such things to.

I may be wrong and apologize if I am, but unless something major happens (surprise annoucement of building a thrid runway, purchase of BMI, removal of Bermuda II, etc) then BA will not shift all LGW ops to LHR. The cost of operating out of LHR is just too high for some BA routes.

I am quite familiar with trade secrets and their protection and am 100% certain that BA would make anyone sign a non-disclosure agreement who was told about a move of all ops from LGW to LHR. Personally I know that I would love to tell you guys at Anet what I know about the 787 intricacies along with other development projects (such as the much rumored 737 replacement) but I am pretty confident that I would get fired if I did.

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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 12):
(somewhat of a love/hate relationship between GB/BA and the OPO matter didn't help)...

But what is the issue with OPO. Why did that service stop? And why is there a love/hate relationship between BA and GT?

I was thinking something. BA lost in the past some franchisee abruptly (regional of Kenya or National Airlines of Italy). What will happen if they loose GT. They will have big holes in their european network.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:55 am

Wasn't there a recent post on here suggesting MRU was moving to LGW from LHR?
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:17 am

It's nice to see some more players in the market for flights to/from Iceland. However, I don't think those flights will be much of a threat to Icelandair and Iceland Express, who are the only operators to operate year round flights between Iceland and the rest of the world. First, traffic on the Keflavik-London route has increased substantially since Iceland Express joined the game 2,5 years ago. Second, BA only intends to operate one daily flight 5 days a week with a 737 while Icelandair is operating up to 4x daily with a 757 and Iceland Express 2x daily with a MD-83 (MD-90 from next spring).

Quoting A340600 (Thread starter):
This is the first time BA will ever fly to Albania or Iceland.

True, but not 100% - Go, which was owned by BA flew daily to Iceland about 4 years ago.

Quoting Speedbirdcrew (Reply 9):
For travel out to KEF on 27th March and returning on 29th March BA is charging £149 from LGW and FI is charging £453 from LHR! Looks like FI will have some serious competition on its hands for point-to-point, particularly as BA have a very civilised departure time ex London of 0930.

It's usually possible to get much lower fares than £453 with Icelandair or Iceland Express. You can fly on March 27-29th with Iceland Express for £156.
Their lowest prices are somewhere around £138. Icelandair prices seem to be in the range £102 - £613, depending on which day you choose and how long you stay.
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 27):
But what is the issue with OPO. Why did that service stop?

I think FR/U2 is the reason. Same for LEI and reduced frequency to VLC. NTE may be affected in the new year.

Better to fly the Club class PAX to SSH and charge ££££s.
 
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RE: BA Launch New Routes From LGW

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:56 am

Great news as I've been planning to go to Iceland for quite while now and although I like Icelandair, their fares are always a bit too expensive for me.