flyboy80
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Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:51 am

I was looking at a Chinese carriers website and noticed they serve tons of airports within China (the domestic network) Anyways, simply sparked my curiosity, is China a lot like the U.S. in terms of domestic traffic? Seems like they have a few different airlines, and several large airports...where as in most countries there's only a few large, or "gateway" airports if lucky, then often in some circumstances several more regional cities...I also have this feeling that aviation in China is regulated? So that is obviously a difference, what about Brazil, Australia? When I look at qantas' route map of Australia it doesn't look comparable to say United's over the U.S.. I would say Europe is very comparable, but the countries there are typically so small that you are flying international about every hour of flight time in a direction practically. Thanks for any info guys!
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LCH
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:46 am

I don't know much about aviation in China, but it is definately regulated. The six largest airlines are all stat owned, and they've pretty much split the regions between them. As for Australia, you can't compare it to the US. People live all over the lower 48, whereas in Australia, it is pretty much only the coastline that is populated. (Alice Springs being the most notable exception from the rule) Also, the east coast is way more densely populated than the west coast.

As for Europe, you can't really compare that either, as Europe is made up of several independent states, often geographically small, and most with their own state-controlled airline. Therefore, the hub airport of the state airline (usually the capital, but LH@FRA/MUC is an example of the contrary) has developed into the biggest airport in the country. There simply is little or no room (literally speaking for some european states =))for several large airports.
 
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:09 am

I have traveled to China, flew domestically, and found it to be very similar to the US. It was regulated, which of course cut down on the number of airlines overall, and it was more full service (with meals and the like) but beyond that was very similar
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:29 am

Are you kidding, nothing compares to the USA's domestic network. Nothing ever will, most likely. Because the airlines are too big for the US economy, big as that is. They are incredibly large.

China is several decades behind in development of its aviation. They are about where the USA was in 1960. But they will grow at a fast pace, whereas the US aviation will not grow much more.
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MarshalN
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:10 am

Well, the domestic aviation scene in China is developing, but very slowly. I can't remember which, but one of the newer airlines is actually privately owned (I think it's Shanghair Airlines). All the major players are state owned though, even though they're technically separate, they buy all their planes together and have one overall boss -- the government.

I wouldn't say it's similar to the US at all... the frequencies/route coverage is still not very great, and tickets tend to be expensive relative to people's average income -- most people take long distance trains or buses instead of flying, simply because it's so much cheaper. Like others have said, it's heavily regulated as well.

Maybe one day the market will become more liberalized and we'll begin to see the same sort of free-market fragmentation and such going on, but until then... your choices are really quite limited. If you fly to Shanghai, you're more likely than not to be using MU, for example.

So... for the pax, yeah, in some ways it's better because you can still get meals and what not on those flights, but in terms of the overall market, it's very different.
 
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 3):
China is several decades behind in development of its aviation. They are about where the USA was in 1960. But they will grow at a fast pace, whereas the US aviation will not grow much more.

You must be joking; Chinese carriers fly with US equipment, sometimes Russian,and pax get a FULL service, with FREE meals and drinks on domestic flights...

Thus, they are where US airlines were in the 60's.....Glamour! Free booze! Loads of food!!!

Go China!

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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 3):
Are you kidding, nothing compares to the USA's domestic network. Nothing ever will, most likely. Because the airlines are too big for the US economy, big as that is. They are incredibly large.

Airlines too big or airline industry too big? I think it is the latter, and I think a solution is for some of the major to consolidate, eliminate some domestic capacity and get better coverage on trans-pacific and trans-atlantic routes as well as latin American routes. We currently have majors really strong in no more than two of those markets. It seems to me that we should have a couple that are strong in all of those markets, but with a substantial domestic network to provide feeds as well as additional domestic partners to provide additional coverage for the US and North America market. Such beasts would be huge.
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RE: Domestic Aviation In China Similar To U.S?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:56 am

China is definitely rising, and I must say that they are catching up (if not up to par with) with the U.S. It has been a very quick advancement from say, twenty years ago. Seems like the U.S. carriers are currently in the red, while the Chinese carriers seem to be growing and growing every day. Every week a Chinese airline gets a new aircraft from Boeing or Airbus. I've counted numerous brand new B737s passing by HNL on their way to China, just goes to show their needs for new, modern aircraft.

In fact, domestic travel in China has skyrocketed in terms of passenger count. Now with many local Chinese affording to fly from city to city, there is a strong need of more planes. Many airlines just face a problem with the lack of pilots.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/26/news/pilots.php

The aviation industry in China will continue to mushroom as U.S. carriers will continue to cut back and save money.

Like LO231 mentioned, they serve a nice hot meal, complete with snacks and drinks on a flight only about an hour. In the U.S., you either get nothing, or pay for a crummy sandwich for flights longer than an hour. I recently flew a Continental Airlines flight from EWR to HNL, and got a sandwich and a drink for 10 hours and 15 minutes. I must say that is better than paying for it!