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TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:00 am

Just came across these pictures of a TAM incident at CDG, where the left landing gear got stuck in mud due to a pilot's miscalculation leading it outside of the taxiway.

According to the time the pictures display, I can't find any accurate flight matching this incident (06:10 pm), whether arriving or departing.

Has anyone got any info about this incident? And how were the pax and cargo handled? BTW, who pays the damage to the airport? The airline?



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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:05 am

Nadson: tks for the breaking news + amazing pictures. I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

Any more details?

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:10 am

Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again ! bigthumbsup 

Thanks for posting !
 
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:20 am

Very informative pictures. Thanks a lot.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:26 am

Wow Nadson,

Amazing and very informative.

Thanks !

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:15 am

Wow, that's messy! Not a fun day at their job those guys had!

TAM got very close to some bigger expenses if that engine had hit the ground!

Thanks for the pics, Nadson!

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again !

thats very funny, Patroni only shows up when there is snow. He likes cold and snowy runways.

[Edited 2005-11-08 01:44:10]
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:46 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
Nadson: tks for the breaking news + amazing pictures. I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

Hey Hardi! Quanto tempo, eh  Smile
Actually, it's not a breaking news. This happened in June 7.

And Breiz is right: There was a thread about this incident: TAM A330 Accident At CDG (by AF-A319 Jul 7 2005 in Civil Aviation)
I didn't remember this thread neither could I find it b4 posting. However, there has been no picture so far, so I think it was still worth posting them, as this previous one is locked now.  Smile

BTW, Chiguire and Omoo, who is Patroni?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

I don't know either. Couldn't find any insight about this. But it looks like it's the pilot fault, who mismanaged to taxi properly.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:01 pm

Nice pictures. Reminds me of the movie Airport when Joe Petroni leads a group of maintenance men to dig out an aircraft stuck in the snow.  cloudnine 

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 7):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

I don't know either. Couldn't find any insight about this. But it looks like it's the pilot fault, who mismanaged to taxi properly.

Actually, its the airports, by not paving a taxiway there  Wink

It pretty much has to be the pilots fault IMO. Unless the weather was really bad, which I doubt.

But incidents happen... not a big deal.

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:04 pm

Thanks for the pics! I was wondering....was it possible for the wheels to have gained some damage when those people tried to get ‘em out off the mud?
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:48 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Unless the weather was really bad, which I doubt.

The weather was fine that day (I arrived with the other JJ flight that day). However refillers were on strike - maybe the pilot wanted to safe some fuel and took a shortcut. So it's definitely their fault  Wink

Quoting DeC (Reply 10):
was it possible for the wheels to have gained some damage when those people tried to get them out off the mud?

Similar thing happened to my parents a few years ago when they were pushed back into the mud on a cold, foggy and rainy morning... All passengers had to leave the plane, first the last row, then the row before and so on. They changed the tires before re-boarding. But they stated that it was just as a matter of precaution and would not have been needed...
 
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:04 pm

Quoting Omoo (Reply 6):
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again !

thats very funny, Patroni only shows up when there is snow. He likes cold and snowy runways.

And he likes cigars dont forget, along with the 707 because "she can do everything but read"

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:55 pm

Great photos - thanks for that. How long was the a/c stuck?
 
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:23 pm

Nice pictures !!

Reminds me a kind of "déjà vu" a few years ago  Wink

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:32 pm

"Mr. Patroni, she can't take anymore!"

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:01 am

One question: How long have been TAM flying to CDG?. Just curious.
 
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:14 am

Thanks for the photos really interesting seeing that side of flying, or not flying as the case may be.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:25 am

Is this type of incident common? Ive seen pics of a dl plane that did this on myaviation, and somewhere else of a plane in germany i beleive.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting Miguelss (Reply 16):
One question: How long have been TAM flying to CDG?. Just curious.

Since 1999, in partership with AF. Now, TAM has two daily flights, code-shared with ME and JL and some domestic routes of AF.

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 13):
How long was the a/c stuck?

There are more pics, which I didn't upload because their size would turn this page difficult to load, then. And one says: "21h41 la deuxième tentative est un succès". The flight arrived at 9.00 AM, so the aircraft remained stuck for about 12 hours.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:51 am

BTW, couldn't the left engine thrust power have pulled the left gear out of the mud?!

Or would it just lead the front landing gear towards the grass as well?
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:44 am

Good pictures and very informative to show in a pilots class what can happen if they are not fully on the yellow line.

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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:51 am

THANKS for the fantastic pictures! And especially, HATS OFF! to the Air France ground crew. Superb work and professionalism.
 
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 20):
BTW, couldn't the left engine thrust power have pulled the left gear out of the mud?!

Uhhh, no.

Didn't you see how low the left engine was off the ground? God knows how much dirt, rock, and grass would have been sucked in. Then the plane surely would have been grounded.
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RE: TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:00 am

The aircraft was grounded for 24 hrs only. A landing gear kit was sent to CDG to be replaced and aircraft returned to work very fast.

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