parisien
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CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:45 am

Hi, I want to try Aer Lingus this time. So, the ticket says CDG to Dublin and conecting to New York. Does this mean that I clear US immigration in Dublin ? What happens on arrival in the US once you are pre cleared ?
 
iluv747400
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:50 am

I flew DUB-EWR on Continental a couple years ago. All flights to the U.S. left from the same pier in Dublin where Immigration Preclearance occurred. When we arrived in Newark there were no other international arrivals (around 11am) so the immigration booths were unmanned and we went straight through to baggage claim. We did go through Customs in Newark though (I think).

I'm not exactly sure what the setup is at JFK for Aer Lingus, but you should still have to pass through Customs in New York somehow.
 
FoxBravo
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:01 am

The answer is that it depends.  Smile

Most U.S.-bound flights out of Dublin do preclear U.S. immigration, but not customs. So, as Iluv747400 said, when you land in the U.S. you go straight from the gate to the baggage claim (no waiting at passport control), but you do still need to go through customs once you've claimed your luggage (they usually just wave you through).

One caveat, however: this seems to apply to flights departing DUB during the peak hours (i.e., during the morning). I recently took Aer Lingus's late afternoon (~5pm) flight from DUB to JFK, and we did not preclear at DUB, as the U.S. immigration was closed at that hour. Instead, we went through immigration and customs as usual on arrival at JFK.
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magyar
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:03 am

I flew Dublin--Chicago on 10/12/2005. The procedure
was the same that lluv747400 described. Even though
in principle I am against this preclearance I have to
admit it is very convenient and the US immigration
officers were much friendlier than those I previously
met.
The only thing I did not like was the small terminal
area after preclearance with one meager
'coffee-shop''-like thing and an overcrowded toilet.
 
Skyteam10001
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:05 am

When I did this back in 1999 this is what happened : we cleared immigration in Dublin so you get your nice little stamp in your passport along with your I-94 card there. In JFK, a immigration officer escorted us through corridors all the way to the baggage checks so we didn't have to go through immigration again. I was amazed as I thought anyone could basically join our group and not go through immigration (but that was probably impossible). This was pre-9/11 so things might have changed. I loved the fact we didn't have to wait in line forever to clear immigration in JFK though.

A.
 
magyar
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:17 am

BTW, Parisien here is my brief experience with Aer Lingus
(if you are interested):

planes: +
(A330, A320)

IFE: -
(no PTV)

Food: ---------------------
(s*@cks and you get nothing on intra-EU flights)

Miscellaneous:
For some reason the FA-s were quite good looking
women, even the older ones.
 
magyar
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:24 am

>>
didn't have to go through immigration again. I was amazed as I thought anyone could basically join our group and not go through immigration (but that was probably impossible).
<<

I have thought the same, however, the immigration officer
stamps the little custom-form (where you declare that
you do/do not bring agricultural products/etc. into the
US) and they collect these forms before you leave the
customs.
So they would notice if you skip immigration.
 
flashmeister
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:48 am

I also have flown from DUB back to the US, and we precleared for our DUB-ATL flight. It was pretty convenient. In ATL, they set our flight up so that as we exited the gate, we were behind ropes that took us past the immigration checkpoints to international bag claim and then onto customs. Seemed to save a bit of time, compared to waiting for immigration at ATL, which I had to do on a CDG-ATL leg a few weeks ago.
 
sllevin
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:59 am

As others have said, you only clear immigration in DUB. You still go through customs after you pick up your checked baggage in JFK.

If you are not a US citizen, you want to hustle over to the pre-clearance area at DUB -- I've seen some fairly long lines for the visitors to clear.

Steve
 
parisien
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:51 pm

I have about 4 hours layover in Dublin, I suppose that would be enough to clear immigration? Does it involve then a change of terminals ? I was concerned that I would not be able to check my bags through, but I guess if we clear customs in the US my bags would be trhoughchecked all the way to JFK.
thanks for all the response. so how do I know what flights have preclearance (since someone said that not all flights are precleared)...it does sound rather convinient, does not it to preclear before departure ?
 
Toulouse
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:35 pm

Quoting Magyar (Reply 5):
planes: +
(A330, A320)

IFE: -
(no PTV)

Food: ---------------------
(s*@cks and you get nothing on intra-EU flights)

Miscellaneous:
For some reason the FA-s were quite good looking
women, even the older ones.

Just a few comments:

IFE...depends on aircraft, bur from what I've heard, it's not great even if you do have it! EI is planning on overhauling their IFE, but that'll take a while I imagine.

Food: Yes there is food on intra-EU flights, but you have to pay for it. This isn't a problem, as the fares are low, and the inflight catering isn't that expensive, nice selection of sandwiches, cheeses, and full hot Irish breakfast served all day long for €7... and it's quite tasty. On your US flight, I believe you will probably be offered a main course of chicken or beef... Some like it, some say it's not good. But as I'm sure you'll get brillinat fares, it's well worth it.

Quoting Parisien (Reply 9):
I have about 4 hours layover in Dublin, I suppose that would be enough to clear immigration? Does it involve then a change of terminals ? I was concerned that I would not be able to check my bags through, but I guess if we clear customs in the US my bags would be trhoughchecked all the way to JFK.

No, DUB only has 1 terminal, terminal 2 has finally been approved, and won't be in service for a few years. I think you should be able to check your luggage through, but email EI on that. I do think though that when you arrive in DUB, you have to exit arrivals, procced to departures and check-in again. The airport is a bit of a disaster, way to busy for its size, but compared to CDG 1, it's possible a bit better! Good shopping though. 4 hours will be fine as the airport is relatively small... certainly not CDG.
Long live Aer Lingus!
 
Skyteam10001
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:22 pm

Yes your luggage will be checked through, and with a 4-h connection time it will make it onto your connecting flight - no worries. I had a loooong connection in DUB myself back in 1999, almost 7h if I remember correctly. I had a great time watching the planes take off and land but they were mostly Aer Lingus planes, so it got boring fast  Smile
 
misbeehavin
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting Parisien (Thread starter):
this mean that I clear US immigration in Dublin ?

Yes, you will preclear in Ireland.

Quoting Parisien (Thread starter):
What happens on arrival in the US once you are pre cleared ?

Beware The US Pre-clearance In Ireland! (by Misbeehavin Jun 2 2005 in Civil Aviation)
 
FoxBravo
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting Parisien (Reply 9):
I have about 4 hours layover in Dublin, I suppose that would be enough to clear immigration?

If you have 4 hours between flights, then it sounds like you are on EI's late afternoon DUB-JFK flight (EI109). If that is the case, based on my recent experience (see above, reply #2), you will NOT clear U.S. immigration at Dublin. Rather, you will clear both immigration and customs as usual upon arrival at JFK's Terminal 4.

Perhaps it was just the day I was there, or maybe this has changed in the past 6 weeks or so, but based on the signage I saw, it seemed that the U.S. immigration area at Dublin is staffed only during the peak morning hours when the majority of U.S.-bound flights depart.
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parisien
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:37 am

yes, it is the flight that departs at 16H00...so this flight is often or usually or sometimes not pre cleared then ? Bummer. It sounds exciting from the stories people tell here and from the other thread.
just a question, what happens if youre still in line clearing immigration and they announce your flight is closed ? Is there airline agents who normally try to get people through faster ? I suppose they must now that you have checked in and might be stuck in line....
 
FoxBravo
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RE: CDG JFK Via Dublin: US Preclearance?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:21 am

I can only speak from my own experience, but when I took that flight in September we did not preclear. By contrast, some colleagues of mine took EI's morning flight that day and they did preclear. So it seems to be limited to certain hours.
Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire