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SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:28 pm

Looks like SIA's cargo division is evaluating the 777LRF, 747Adv and A380F for fleet expansion, capacity increases:
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...747+Advanced+and+777F.html#Scene_1

My gut says they'll go for the 777 as they are a large operator of the type and they've said in the past that they love the aircraft... Would seem to fit into their portfolio rather well.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:39 pm

I thought AF already ordered it?
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:39 pm

If I were a betting man, I'd place my money on the 747AF. The issues of commonality in the Cargo fleet will drive the decision in that way.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:51 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
I thought AF already ordered it?

They did. Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear and said "An additional Launch Customer"... I believe AC will also be a Launch Customer for the type. Hey, seeing how conservative SIA has been, perhaps they'll wait awhile before committing.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:01 pm

The 777F while a very good freighter, really doesn't fit into SQ Cargo route structure. The 747AF is really what they need. The increased lift and lower operating costs would make it a great addition. The key is it would also keep the infrastructure changes to a minimum.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:11 am

First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

Anyway, besides that I wouldn´t bet on any type alone. 747 Advanced looks most likely to me as it fits best and seems to have the optimum size for large scale freight operators. The recent rise in orders for the 744F shows that again. The 777ERF, which has had a rather slow program start so far with dissappointingly few sales in the first 6 months, I can only see as a minor sub-fleet. The 777ERF surely will never feature as the standard freighter of SIA, but maybe they want a few for more exotic destinations as there could to be a chance for some growth. In general SIA seems to do very fine with the 744Fs alone (that is strengthened by the fact that they just announced to convert three older pax 744s). The A380F is a different issue. So far it doesn´t seem to be a much liked choice of operators who use and need the unique capabilities of 747Fs now.
 
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:28 am

The B747AdvF seems nearly certain to be ordered by SQ. The B777F is a possibility, but I would bet against it. The A380F seems most unlikely as it has no advantages for SQ (or any other cargo carrier which cares more about weight than volume) over the B747AdvF.
 
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

With all due respect, that's your opinion, not mine. I couldn't agree more with the rest of your thoughtful comments.

[Edited 2005-11-08 17:28:52]
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:39 am

Any Link on the B777LRF with Tech data.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:11 am

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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
The 777ERF, which has had a rather slow program start so far with dissappointingly few sales in the first 6 months, I can only see as a minor sub-fleet.


  • First off, the correct designation for the type is 777F. It is based on the 777-200LR platform.
  • Secondly, it was given the official go-ahead on May 24, 2005 and since then it has racked up 9 orders (5 for AF and 4 for the Avion Group).
  • Third, there are several additional operators that are evaluating the type for cargo operations including, AC, QR, and EK to name a few.

Evaluating the success of any aircraft type which has been officially on the market for just six months (especially when there are several on-going sales campaigns) is misleading.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Any Link on the B777LRF with Tech data.

Best link I could find on the subject is this:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/pf/pf_freighter_product.html

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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

That's your opinion, pal.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 10):
Secondly, it was given the official go-ahead on May 24, 2005 and since then it has racked up 9 orders (5 for AF and 4 for the Avion Group

Has the Avion (Air Atlanta Icelandic) deal been signed yet? They also have purchase rights for a further 2 B772LRFs.



I genuinely believe this aircraft will do very in the freighter market with its predicted economics and performance.

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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Has the Avion (Air Atlanta Icelandic) deal been signed yet?

I believe it has. Boeing normally doesn't list it as a firm order on it's Orders and Deliveries website unless it is officially signed. I have heard nothing to the contrary.

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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.


Strange way to describe what will arguably be one of the world's most impressive aircraft. If current trends hold, it will be the longest range plane in service.
 
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:07 am

Thanks for the info N60659.

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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

The 772LRF is a more capable freighter from an uplift standpoint than either the A380F or the 744F. In turn, the 744F and the 747ADVF are both more capable than the A380F
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
. In turn, the 744F and the 747ADVF are both more capable than the A380F

And this is based on what ?
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
The 772LRF is a more capable freighter from an uplift standpoint than either the A380F or the 744F

???????

I think you're mistaken. The current 744F has a max payload of just under 124 Tonnes while the 777LRF has a max payload of just under 104 Tonnes. The 747AF is obviously an improvement above the current 744F.

So, I don't know how you can make a statement about the 777LRF.

One thing I did fail to mention about the current evaluation is the A380F is DOA due to it's payload restrictions and limited payload when compared to lift v. ZFW.
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RE: SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 10):
AC, QR, and EK

Not to forget BR which, earlier this year, stated an interest in acquiring 10 airframes of the type:

http://flightinternational.com/Artic...second+777F+customer+.html#Scene_1

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
Thanks for the info N60659.

Sure. No problem.

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